CowTree

StolenLegacy,
About the too many healers thing, you are running that Gluth fight way too slowly, he actually enrages at the very end of your first attempt. You guys really want to get him down in 5 minutes or less and you're going over 7. Here's an example of 5 healers doing that same fight in 3:22. Wow Web Stats We had a ret pally and a prot warrior in the back, I don't know why he was back there at all, but whatever. This was a joint guild run to test a merger, so the make up was not good, and the damage was not what it usually is. If you look later in the report you'll see we did not get Thad down that evening, because of lack of dps (tired people dying on the first shock didn't help). So, all I'm trying to say is, being heavy on heals can and will hurt your raid, on some occasions.

As for your healing, I would go along with Inorrri. And, have some faith in your Rejuvs.

If you were wondering, the merger happened...

 

ArTyman

Hi, this is my first time ever replying to this site, and i have been reading this thread for awhile. I have just a few requests to the more experienced healers.

Remember also that my Druid is an average geared Druid, i dont have the whole t7 set, but the point is to beable to be efficient enuff to do the raids and dungeons i need to do to acquire all of it. and if you want to look at my spec, stats or gear, and give me some helpful tips would be nice, the name is Dooms server-Kilrog.

From what I understand the healing that you do depends on your healing roll in your group, for instance in a 5man group you would use just about all of your heals HT, Nourish, regrowth, wg etc.

In a 10 man group with 3 healers, well that simply depends on your roll, which my roll has been generally healing the raid and helping the other 2 healers who have only the tanks to keep up. While I am not the best geared in our guild I am one of the most reliable healers in our guild they can rely on me to take a job and do my best with it, while working with the other healers to complete our goals.

My main heals for that roll are WG, LB, and RJ for raid heals which generally depending on how im feeling if someone is dropping quickly in the group an the WG hasnt reached them or isnt enuff I will apply a LB, and RJ which is usually enuff for dps an if they need more i'll use nourish since the majority of dps 8k will be almost half a bar which is where i see nourish come in handy as being a quick heal for low HP teamates.

For my off healing on tanks i usually try to keep all my hotts up on main tank, and when the off tank is taking damage i do the same for him, however i dont see nourish as being any help with healing tanks being how high there HP is, in my eyes your only wastin your time with nourishs on tanks unless it is a last resort and you dont have the time for HT, but in my case as being a back up healer for tanks I tend to trust in the tanks main healer and take the extra time to cast a HT on the tank to give the healer a little break then i return to group healing, and juggle this back and forth to the best of my ability.

The mathmatics of how I play is not planned out on a calculator and the talents I have specked into I am constantly second guessing my self. Is how i'm playing the correct way? Is the talents i have selected inefficient? I am just looking for general answers not the answers that take algebra knowledge. altho i appreciate the pple that take the time to figure out the exact differences with haste, and the effects of that on your healing timers, and the over all differences with our heals. For without you guys everyone would just be guessing .

 

Vazu

Meters are a sloppy and inconsistent way to judge how your healers are doing.

There's just way too much overhealing right now. People aren't forced to conserve at all. The only real way you can judge healers right now is to look at fights where you're losing people to damage they can't avoid. If you come down from a vortex on Malygos and several people are dead, something is wrong and it's on the healers to adjust. Judging your healers is mostly about comparing their job vs. the job of another healer for a specific fight. Anticipation and awareness are the cornerstones of quality healing. Right before a lava churn on three drakes Sartharion (for example), a resto Druid has to know that for a brief moment while everyone is moving, the tank may receive a huge spike in damage. Not only are we watching everyone's health bars, but now I'm getting to my safe spot and I'm ready to Swiftmend the tank if needed. Good healers aren't good because they top meters. They're good because they know exactly how their specific class can contribute for every single boss fight in the game. I would challenge anyone who wants to get better to see themselves in the role of a raid leader. If you were setting up healing, how would you assign yourself? Giving quality feedback to your officers and making respectful recommendations is what seperates good guilds from great guilds in terms of the quality of their healers. It's just very rarely about numbers like DPS is.

 

caduber

Point taken. Reason I posted OS25+2D is that it is a fight where we consistently lose people. Maly 25 has been problematic recently as well, primarily in terms of raid healing. The reason why I'm pursuing this sort of inquiry is that as a raid healer, and as someone who has studied the encounters and feels relatively self-confident, I'm questioning some of the deaths, wipes, etc. that are clearly healing issues. I understand that you can only compare apples and apples. But if I can't compare a raid-healing druid with a raid-healing Shaman, then how do I assess the capability of the Shaman?

If I'm belaboring this point I apologize. It's a point of contention that I'm dying to clear up, because I feel like this attitude that meters mean nothing for healers could be breeding complacency.

 

downnola

Meters can be deceiving in my opinion. You can have someone that is good at padding meters, but can often be more worried about tossing out as many hots as they can and wind up neglecting the tank at critical moments. It doesn't tell the whole story like Recount can for DPS classes, and that's why I personally don't put much thought into healing meters. I use them and keep an eye on them, but only to see what other people are doing. I'll check the spell graphs and spell hit counts to see if someone is just plain being inefficient. However, to rely on it for anything other then that isn't typically a good idea, unless of course a healer is overhealing by a large margin and is sitting at the bottom of the barrel in effective healing done.

 

trismegistus

I'll comment on some of this.

I only use HT in a macro with Nature's Swiftness; I don't even have HT on a skill bar at all. I think this spell is useful only on fights where hots heal the boss (Dalliah the Doomsayer).

Not every resto Druid thinks [Glyph of Regrowth] is a must-have. Nourish is the perfect spell to use when you have LB, RJ and RG on the tank and he needs a direct heal. In long fights when the damage is predictable, I will also put up WG before I Nourish for maximum effect of 4pc t7. For those that don't have the bonus yet, this may not be the best option.

The way I see it, if a resto druid is in the raid, at the bare minimum, there should be a LB stack + RJ on the MT. If not, then you aren't playing to the class/spec's full potential. If you have a Priest in the raid, I feel they are superior raid healers and you should focus more on tanks. It takes a well-coordinated group of healers for the Druid to raid heal effectively because most healers get anxious and snipe your heals. This is why we should always heal the tanks even if only a little to reduce the spike damage and make the healing smoother overall.

 

ArTyman

thx for the reply swiftmend is one spell i dont use to often I will try to integrate it into my healing.

BTW i've used macro's on a very basic level could you tell me some handy macro's and how to write the code?

 

ithecho84

I am of the opinion that because of Imp. Regrowth, it will always be the better option compared to Nourish. This may change if our mana situation absolutely bites the dust in the future patch, but there's seriously no reason to ever use Nourish in my mind. Of course, this is under the impression that you have the Glyph of Regrowth. I keek up LB, RJ, and RG on the tank(s) so Glyph of RG is pretty much a necessity.

 

◊ Noressa

WWS and death reports can easily let you know who is healing at not the right time. If a tank dies and you see no heals, then the druid is being Bad. If the tank dies and you read x hot ticks over the duration, then your druids are at least doing the minimum and your other healers need to be looked at.

 

◊ Smoothie

I've been wanting to do this, but I haven't been able to make it work (only the NS is being cast). Can you share your macro, please?

 

Foxx33

Something along the lines of

I personally use Healbot and you can type the macro name's into the spells section and it'll cast the macro. Also, I keep all my heals on my secondary bars just in case I have to heal a target that isn't in my party or raid and I don't have a frame to click.

 

ithecho84

I would suggest a /stopcasting line right after the #showtooltip line.

 

Foxx33

Yeah, I forgot that, I'm constantly jumping and moving because it breaks the monotonous of healing so I don't really have that problem. Also, if you have an use trinket for spirit. Like, The Spirit-World Glass for example. You might want to Make a macro that casts the Innervate then uses the trinket to get full effect out of it. Could also add a spirit weapon if you're not getting enough mana but you should be.

 

Maraili

While we're on the subject of NS, I'd just like to toss in my $0.02. I'm one of those people that uses Glyphed HT (faster, heals more, etc) and so for a while I'd been wondering what to macro my NS to, and last week I linked it with Rebirth and I've been quite happy with the results.

I find that often the times when I'd really like to use it most are when things are already getting quite frantic and having it be instant gives me more time to focus on healing the raid.

#showtooltip Rebirth(Rank7)
/cast Nature's Swiftness
/cast Rebirth(Rank 7)

Will additionally show the Rebirth icon and hence let you see the cooldown remaining.


edit: ithecho84, why do you recommend the stopcasting line?

 

Foxx33

If you're in the middle of a cast it will stop casting and use the spell you were trying to cast.

 

Hellebore

Note - Not sure if this belongs here or in the UI discussion

It's interesting I have never put NS in a macro, I have been a grid+clique+5 button mouse user for a very long time (end of vanilla wow I found them) and I have a stopcasting + NS macro on 2 so I can pop it if needed and then click cast the spell be it HT, regrowth, rebirth or in pvp cyclone/roots.

The only real healing macros I use I made for the Bloodboil fight back in TBC and work thus, heal the focus target if they are friendly, if they aren't friendly heal their target. This means that normally I set the tank as my focus and I have can up all my HoTs up fast. However in a fight like Bloodboil or Gluth I set the boss as my focus and simply heal the current tank but with the same spell rotations.

Healing focus or focus's target macro:

 

menk

I would link it with Regrowth followed by Swiftmend, should look like:

 

malthrin

That won't work - you'll still be on global cooldown from the instant Regrowth when Swiftmend tries to go off. I guess you could do a castsequence macro and mash it 3 times. I think that'd go like this, but don't hold me to it:

 

MystRayne

With people ranting on about Best In Slot - where is there a thread for this. Or can anyone give advice.

 

trismegistus

This thread has a lot of information in it: Restoration Itemization

Or you can use Lootrank and selecte the template for Druid, Restoration and finally, use the weight scale on Wowhead Restoration (Healing)

 

surfmonk

World of Matticus has a recent post of his picks
Best in Slot for Resto Druid : World of Matticus

 

• Playered

I wouldn't trust that because it is clearly wrong on several issues (a learning curve on IDS?) and you do not even have the haste softcap which is quite easy to get, take it with a grain of salt.

 

Norfair

That list is so wrong on so many slots, I wouldn't even consider looking at it. Here's a quick dirty list for the lazy people. Items aren't sorted by which is best. It depends if you rather want more crit, haste, mana regen and/or 4-set bonus.

Head:
[Hood of Rationality] (crit)
[Headpiece of Reconciliation] (haste)
[Valorous Dreamwalker Headpiece] (regen + set)

Neck:
[Life-Binder's Locket] (best in slot)
[Chains of Adoration] (haste alternative)

Shoulders;
[Mantle of the Locusts] (haste)
[Valorous Dreamwalker Spaulders] (crit + set)

Cloak:
[Cape of the Unworthy Wizard] (best in slot)
[Disguise of the Kumiho] (haste alternative)

Chest:
[Blanketing Robes of Snow] (regen)
[Valorous Dreamwalker Robe] (haste + set)
[Digested Silken Robes] (crit)

Bracers:
[Unsullied Cuffs] (best in slot)
[Esteemed Bindings] (best leather)

Gloves:
[Valorous Dreamwalker Handguards] (haste + set)
[Gloves of the Dancing Bear] (crit)

Belt:
[Leash of Heedless Magic] (haste)
[Unravelling Strands of Sanity] (regen)

Pants:
[Legguards of the Boneyard] (haste)
[Leggings of Mortal Arrogance] (crit)
[Valorous Dreamwalker Leggings] (set)

Boots:
[Rainey's Chewed Boots] (regen)
[Arcanic Tramplers] (haste)
[Boots of Septic Wounds] (crit)

Rings:
[Loop of the Kirin Tor] (regen)
[Band of Channeled Magic] (haste)
[Ring of Decaying Beauty] (haste)
[Lost Jewel] (crit)
[Seized Beauty] (crit)

Trinkets (refer to this thread, but my personal opinion is as follows):
[Illustration of the Dragon Soul] (best in slot)
[Je'Tze's Bell]
[Majestic Dragon Figurine] (use for mana intensive encounters)

Weapon:
[Torch of Holy Fire]

Offhand:
[Accursed Spine] (crit)
[Matriarch's Spawn] (haste)

Idol:
[Idol of Lush Moss]
[Idol of Awakening]

Since you need haste to get to the softcap, the chest and gloves are the first choices for tier7 2-set bonus.

Keep f**king that chicken.

 

MystRayne

May I say thank you, the responses have given me much food for thought. I apologise if I am a bit of a dunce sometimes, I really do not wish to offend, as I love this forum and I silently trudge thru it many hours a night.

 

Arkonos

I found this post as well and created a char to compare it to the BiS list Smoothie postet 1-2 week before.
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Can someone tell me how accurate Rawr is?