Either interpretation is brokenly powerful. Given that there are quite a few other problems with listed glyphs (glyphs for abilities that were removed, or glyphs that affect drastically changed abilities and whose effects do not work with the new ability) I imagine we'll see glyphs changing a lot over the course of the PTR.

On the PTR there is no change to the Rejuvenation glyph unless there is a new one too. Unable to check if the effect has changed (while the tooltip hasn't) yet until some scribes log on and put some up for 2000 gold each.

That's the problem I have with the spell, especially because Wild Growth is expensive, and may or may not be applied to your tank target depending on the raid damage situation. I'm not sure if the savings really justify keeping WG up, especially in a mana-constrained environment.

However, with the imp Regrowth change, I think it'll be a much better filler/"oh shit" button in general, especially while NS and SM are down.

Nourish is going to be amazing now. If that glyph goes through as-is, I'll be critting Nourishes at like a 40% clip for around 10k + a 3k Living Seed (on tanks). For bugger all mana and a 1.2s cast (i think? Hell if I've looked at my cast times recently).

I read that on Wow Insider, but didn't see it on MMO champion.

A) Is this a mistake on behalf of WoW Insider. I generally trust MMO Champ.

B) What does that mean?
Ineffective healing vs effective healing? If you overheal, it still applies the full amount from the crit towards the seed? (a full 30%)
Average crit size (completely rounding for simplicity)
6000 / 3 = 1800 seed.

This sounds like a decent amount to me, even given the goofy way living seed works. If it's true of course.

My guess is that it would be the full value (effective + ineffective) to actually make living seed worth 3 points. It's getting an inherrant nerf since you'll no longer get it on 80%+ of Regrowths, so it needs a pretty decent bump to make it worth it.

I assume there are typos in there.

Living Seed: This talent now accounts for your ineffective healing as well, rather than just effective. < Seems more logical, no?

The way that the changes currently look, I am pretty sure that I will be replacing my Regrowth glyph with the Nourish glyph. With Regrowth having 25% less crit, it loses a lot of its HPS, as a generous portion of the throughput was due to the large cast-time reduction given by crits. It simply won't be as good of a spell. So, I will say goodbye to the 20% bonus for casting it in an inefficient manner.

With the 4-piece bonus and the glyph, we will be getting an 11% healing bonus per HoT on the target. That's pretty solid. Add to that the extra 25% crit rating from Nature's Bounty, and we have a spell that would seriously content with 3.0.9 Regrowth, let alone 3.1.

The one major snag is that this will make haste even less attractive, because with Nature's grace, crits on Nourish will drop us below a 1 second cast time and we will be getting clipped by the GCD. If the gear keeps scaling the way it currently is, as gear improves I'll be able to drop Celestial Focus and Nature's Grace and put those talent points elsewhere.

Regarding the Innervate change, I will wait and see how mana regeneration plays out before replacing my Lifebloom glyph. With Nourish efficiency depending on active HoTs, that extra second of grace for Lifebloom may come in handy.

You didn't prove anything. You had 100% ineffective on that heal, and thats what seed hit for. If you get some effective and some overheal, we need to see if seeds going off just the overheal amount as the patch notes seem to say, or if it's off the total heal regardless.

Let us know, I'd appreciate it.

Doesn't his test show the full heal amount? (assuming his numbers are good estimations)

4k + 1.7k = 5.7k
5.7 / 3 = 1.9

His living seed healed for 1.7. If you account for some obvious rounding, it sounds like the full heal, no? Otherwise I'd expect his living seed to only heal for 1.3.
I'd like to see more solid number, but this seems in line with the logical thinking behind buffing living seed to offset the nurf to Regrowth crit.


As a side question; Does a Regrowth Crit change the amount of the HOT? (I dont think it does, but I've never tested)

If I am not toally wrong it's 5.7 * 0.3 = 1.71 which is also a pretty much more exact value.

And I cant find any mistake either in this test...