Humm I don't know, I didn't do ulduar's encounters yet, but it might will be less worriesome than it seems now.. Yeah, I agree the LB inproved cost is prolly a mechanism to stop rolling it several tanks for too long in 25mans, but that is one of its use, which prolly blizz considered to be unbalanced.. We had more than enough regen already in the first tier of the xpac.. if nothing was done, spell costs would remain the same, but what would we do with the extra spirit we would get from gear? plus, regen while casting wasn't nerfed at all if you count intensity...

Ok, but this is the part everybody discussed already. The thing I wanted to raise is (maybe it was discussed here before, I'm sorry in this case): Have everyone noted that blooming life blooms where supremely buffed? Ok, the obvious part is the stacking blooms, which have debated use in many cases (I will not go there, I'm in no place to debate anyone's playstyle) but its cost was actually REDUCED. yes, reduced, because the base cost was doubled, but the mana back is not considering the discount you ger from tree of life form.

Lets say LB used to cost 100 mana. Now it will cost 200 base mana. With the 20% off mana from the tree aura, 160 mana. after it blooms, it will give you back 50% of the base mana, which is 100 mana. LBs will actually go down from 80 to 60 mana per cast if not rolling ^-^ (Please correct me if wrong, but that's what it seemed like in the PTR)

I agree that planting a LB to bloom in 25man is most probably be just overriten by a chain heal or something in most situations, but in heroics and 10 mans it still might have its shine... think of it as a cheaper nourish to top the casters when situation is more or less under control... Plus, since the new knockback mechanism kicked in, even in 25 mans I like to alternate rejuvs (if I plan to swiftmend) and lifeblooms in the party while in mid air and with WG on CD.. Maybe its just inneficient play from my part, but usually works well for me, specially when I'm healing melees and am knocked back away from them or during vortexes.. usually its just enough time to bloom a LB untill I'm in range again..


I'm new around here so I might just be pointing a buch of crap.. Comments and corrections greatly apreciated ^^

Ghostcrawler has stated that the mana refund is 50% of the base cost of the spell, before reductions (like the 2pc T7, and the Tree of life cost reduction). So I would assume that it won't matter what mana cost reducing buffs / debuffs you have when you cast it, you will always get 50% of the base cost of the spell back when it blooms. This also means that you can potentially gain mana by casting lifebloom and letting it bloom in situations where the cost is reduced below 50% of the base cost, and that a lifebloom that you let bloom will cost less in the long run in 3.1 then on live (if you have 2pc t7 or ToL).

You get the mana back when you cast the spell and that is it. It does not care under what circumstance you are or how many reductions you have beforehand and the only things which will change this happening are effects tailored to do so by design.

So then Lifebloom becomes the top spell choice for OoC procs.

If my numbers are right, we get ~5 OoC ppm when sticking with instants and Nourish, if each of these is an LB cast that works out to 204mp5:
(base mana * .14 * 5)/12

Let me know if I'm missing something but that is an amazing amount of return.

I think the proc rate is 5.7% = 3.5/60. So it is only 3.5 procs per minute, and then only if you are casting a new spell every 1.0s.

I realize the importance of giving significant reasoning behind blatant, purposeful rejection of specs in this forum but...hasn't it been said enough that this is a TERRIBLE idea?

Yes it was a bad idea, but why do you feel the need to put that on the table again ? I believe I already apologized, did I not ? I was probably dreaming it could be as good as I wanted it to be. I think we need to burry it, or someone could make the same mistake as I made.

To get back on the subject.
On Sartharion+2D a few hours ago: 6.2 procs/min. I was hitting Sartharion at close range and casting an average of 34 spells per minute. Can anybody show me the maths to know how many mp5 I'm gaining using a Lifebloom from each OoC proc on a 10mn basis ?

The old spell had some confusion in it, people thought that it could have been an extra instant tick of rejuvenation, which makes it tick for less. But they just clarified it that it would be an extra instant tick of the amount rejuvenation heals without it getting lower or anything.

How is everybody going to be raid healing come 3.1? In between WG cds, obviously.

I feel that the new Natures Bounty is going to hurt regrowth's usefullness in this department, and its been my go-to raid heal spell for a while if theres consistent damage w/ pretty much guaranteed Living Seeds/Nature's Grace procs. Will lifebloom retake its role from BC and be spread around?

Rejuv is the obvious winner with 4pc t8, but what about without it?

I don't think the change to Imp Regrowth is going to push the spell off our hotbars. It still has synergy with a few of our talents, and it leaves behind a sizeable Swiftmendable hot. I personally use a mix of Rejuv, Regrowth, and WG for raid healing, with Rejuv getting the majority of my casts. I don't think much will change in Ulduar.

I do like the idea of Lifeblooming on OOC procs for the extra mana return.

On a side note, it looks like we'll be able to grab the Rejuv idol from the Valor badge quartermaster. With the spirit changes I think that idol will be our best bet going into Ulduar, and I for one am very happy about this change (couldn't get it to drop )

Yes, let's forget the Dreamstate and talk about 3.1. There will be several changes in healing, for example the set-bonuses will be much more important than now. I'll quote an elf from the official Forum:


I agree with her in many parts of this "guide for 3.1". She also says that druids should use 4 t7,5 until we've got 4 t8,5 (for tankhealing) and keep 2 t7,5 and the lb-idol for raid-healing to avoid Mana problems (she doesn't say to spam lb all the time, don't kill her).

What do you think ? Do we have to make a new talent-build to amplify Nourish and avoid Mana problems ? Which Glyphes and Idols should we use ? Which set-bonuses should we use ? and is haste still that important if we will spam Nourish on a MT and refresh the hots on him from time to time instead of spamming regro on tanks and reju into the raid ?