Resto (PvE) Healing Discussion - Page 65

Flatlock · 04/19/09, 7:00 AM

Im using Grid+mouseover macros.

The wild growth targeting issues can be solved by:

/cleartarget
/cast [target=mouseover] Wild Growth(Rank 4)

The issue occurs when you for some reason have a target which either is dead or unhealable in any other way, while using a mouseover macro. So clearing your target before casting your wildgrowth makes sure that the wildgrowth is actually being cast on your mouseover target.

Shelendil · 04/19/09, 7:43 AM

Originally Posted by Flatlock

The issue occurs when you for some reason have a target which either is dead or unhealable in any other way, while using a mouseover macro. So clearing your target before casting your wildgrowth makes sure that the wildgrowth is actually being cast on your mouseover target.

/cleartarget
/cast [target=mouseover] Wild Growth
/targetlasttarget

Adding a cleartarget and targetlast will make the mouseover and self-casting functions work flawlessly, but you can no longer cast Wild Growth on your target. I am hoping this is fixed relatively quickly, as before patch the following macro would do both:

/cast [target=mouseover,help][target=target,help] Wild Growth

Celeras · 04/19/09, 7:58 AM

Originally Posted by Daisil

Whatever you are smoking, I want some.

My guild is all the way up to Yoggy and Spamming LB is NOT the way to raid heal anymore. It just doesn't work well. Using Rejuv (even without the t8.5 set bonus), regrowth, and the occasional Nourish to top them off works much better. Mana efficiency plays a big roll in the major fights in Ulduar now, and LB stacking on multiple targets is no longer mana efficient. Stacking LB on a main tank, however, is still the best way to go.

If you let your lifeblooms bloom... it is MORE mana efficient then it was pre-3.1. And since I clearly stated that I was using 2 stack blooms, that fits the bill. So if anybody is "smoking something", i'd say its you.

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Originally Posted by Norfair

How are you going to heal like that? It takes 2 gcds to get a 2-stack on someone. That means 2 seconds between each bloom. At best you're looking at blooming 5 people, since it really doesn't take more than 10 seconds to stablize any raiddamage. I'd rather put RJ on 10 people, with the option to Swiftmend. I use RJ (together with WG) for so many incoming raiddamage: Ignis, XT, Hodir, Mimiron p2, Yogg. All of those fights it seems very effective as it does at least half of my healing. The 4T8 bonus is going to be so overpowered, I can't imagine it won't be nerfed.

If you put two blooms on a person right away maybe, you can get much more then that by giving everyone a 1 stack and then refreshing them all. What I do for frozen blows since its 100% predictable, is start stacking a bloom on multiple people as Flash Freeze is about to be cast. By the time we're free to get out of the safe spot Ive reached my capacity, and start putting the second bloom on people. This usually finishes at or around frozen blows, then I start with the juvs.

It really is quite flawless, and in this particular fight its 100% unbeatable. Especially since you can do it all on the move and keep biting cold off without losing any casttime.

windstrife · 04/19/09, 8:09 AM

I was just wondering what Idol people are using nowadays? The [Idol of Lush Moss] or like [Idol of Awakening]? or perhaps another?

Lenaldo · 04/19/09, 10:28 AM

Originally Posted by windstrife

I was just wondering what Idol people are using nowadays? The [Idol of Lush Moss] or like [Idol of Awakening]? or perhaps another?

I originally was using lush moss but wit the lifebloom change I am now using rejuv more. I have now been using the rejuv idol since it makes spammin rejuv very efficient

Treemo · 04/19/09, 11:03 AM

Originally Posted by windstrife

I was just wondering what Idol people are using nowadays? The [Idol of Lush Moss] or like [Idol of Awakening]? or perhaps another?

Even before 3.1 hit I was using the Idol of Awakening a majority of the time and it's looking like it will be even more dominant now that LB is more demanding.

Daisil · 04/19/09, 12:38 PM

Originally Posted by Celeras

If you let your lifeblooms bloom... it is MORE mana efficient then it was pre-3.1. And since I clearly stated that I was using 2 stack blooms, that fits the bill. So if anybody is "smoking something", i'd say its you.

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If you put two blooms on a person right away maybe, you can get much more then that by giving everyone a 1 stack and then refreshing them all. What I do for frozen blows since its 100% predictable, is start stacking a bloom on multiple people as Flash Freeze is about to be cast. By the time we're free to get out of the safe spot Ive reached my capacity, and start putting the second bloom on people. This usually finishes at or around frozen blows, then I start with the juvs.

It really is quite flawless, and in this particular fight its 100% unbeatable. Especially since you can do it all on the move and keep biting cold off without losing any casttime.

Feel free to give that a shot on General Vezzax if you ever get that far. Trust me, it isn't efficient.

Daisil · 04/19/09, 12:43 PM

Originally Posted by windstrife

I was just wondering what Idol people are using nowadays? The [Idol of Lush Moss] or like [Idol of Awakening]? or perhaps another?

Depends on the fight really. Idol of Awakening is by far the better option at this point.

Last night I got [Idol of the Flourishing Life] off of trash before General Vezzax and do plan to use that when maintank healing. Incase the link doesn't work, it is "Equip: Increases the spell power of your Nourish by 187"

Drans · 04/19/09, 1:05 PM

Originally Posted by Daisil

My guild is all the way up to Yoggy and Spamming LB is NOT the way to raid heal anymore. It just doesn't work well. Using Rejuv (even without the t8.5 set bonus), regrowth, and the occasional Nourish to top them off works much better. Mana efficiency plays a big roll in the major fights in Ulduar now, and LB stacking on multiple targets is no longer mana efficient. Stacking LB on a main tank, however, is still the best way to go.

I'll reiterate this point. Through my guild's first real night in Ulduar, I've almost completely phased out lifebloom as a raid heal. The only use I really found is with someone getting gravity bombed on XT and throw a LB out to bloom after it hits. I was not on main tank healing, but even for off tank healing on Ignis just keeping regrowth and rejuve --> nourish was the most sustainable (we had 3 tank strat) while wild growthing raid on cd made it ridiculous healing output. Even for single target raid damage (Slag pot, kologorn beam and grip, gravity / light bomb) regrowth --> nourish did the job perfectly. I subbed out LB glyph for wild growth and haven't looked back since for raid healing.

If you are interested, here is healing done for total bosses. As you can see, <5% was my healing with lifebloom on raid healing.

Lenaldo · 04/19/09, 1:30 PM

Originally Posted by Drans

I'll reiterate this point. Through my guild's first real night in Ulduar, I've almost completely phased out lifebloom as a raid heal. The only use I really found is with someone getting gravity bombed on XT and throw a LB out to bloom after it hits. I was not on main tank healing, but even for off tank healing on Ignis just keeping regrowth and rejuve --> nourish was the most sustainable (we had 3 tank strat) while wild growthing raid on cd made it ridiculous healing output. Even for single target raid damage (Slag pot, kologorn beam and grip, gravity / light bomb) regrowth --> nourish did the job perfectly. I subbed out LB glyph for wild growth and haven't looked back since for raid healing.

If you are interested, here is healing done for total bosses. As you can see, <5% was my healing with lifebloom on raid healing.

Im feeling the same way about lifebloom. It is almost sad how little I am using it and sometimes i feel like the only reason I keep casting it is out of habit. Rejuv+Regrowth+Nourish with t7 bonus seems to give me decent enough nourish heals to main tank heal.. I use lifebloom on the maintank sparingly but often it seems unneeded.

Raid healing is definitely rejuv+wildgrowth and spot healing with nourish... I did get in a habit of doing rejuv+lifebloom on people during heavy raid damage(like hodir), but 1 stack of lifebloom just doesnt tick for enough.

I will be swapping out Lifebloom glyph for WG glyph and probably regrowth glyph for nourish one. Regrowth spamming seems to take "too long" in ulduar.

Naleihna · 04/19/09, 2:12 PM

I like the new Lb on targets that have to run away from the raid in some way, because of something.

Like:
-Disease @ Grobbulus
-Light Bomb/Gravity thing @ Xt-002
-Tanks that go to sara @ Yogg Saron p1
etc.

Often they are away from the raid when lbblooms, and the endheal tops them.

WG+reju ->Raidheal

Xanocrates · 04/19/09, 2:12 PM

Originally Posted by Maligne

Sorry to burst your bubble but it's a known bug and will probably be hotfixed:

World of Warcraft - English (NA) Forums -> Lifebloom bug? (self dispel = bloom)

I tested a cancelaura macro on lifebloom the other day; it was removing the HoT without triggering the bloom, so it appears that this has been fixed.

blackdeadlycobra · 04/19/09, 2:25 PM

Is anyone else having trouble staying on top of healing meters when there are good priests or shamans in the raid? I've been trying to figure out my problem. I compared my stats with a lot of top druids and they all look fine. I have enough spirit, crit, haste, spell power. No matter what I try I can't seem to get even close to the priests. In patch 3.1 lifebloom was changed up so i tried working on that because before I would spam wild growth and rejuv, and nourish if anyone needed it. If I start spamming heals to try and have some sort of competition I run out of mana really fast. IF anyone has any suggestions they would be greatly appreciated. Islanzadi - Night Elf Druid - Bloodhoof

Rijndael · 04/19/09, 2:35 PM

Originally Posted by blackdeadlycobra

Is anyone else having trouble staying on top of healing meters when there are good priests or shamans in the raid? I've been trying to figure out my problem. I compared my stats with a lot of top druids and they all look fine. I have enough spirit, crit, haste, spell power. No matter what I try I can't seem to get even close to the priests. In patch 3.1 lifebloom was changed up so i tried working on that because before I would spam wild growth and rejuv, and nourish if anyone needed it. If I start spamming heals to try and have some sort of competition I run out of mana really fast. IF anyone has any suggestions they would be greatly appreciated. Islanzadi - Night Elf Druid - Bloodhoof

Shamans are not hard to beat -- they have no instant casts save for Riptide and spreading HOTs on the raid beats chain heal for most types of damage. Good holy priests are a challenge as they were already competitive with druids in 3.0, and have received a long line of buffs in 3.1: Instant heal on renew, CoH buffed 40%, and of course PoH can be castable in multiple groups. Coupled with Prayer of Mending, their HPS on a lot of raid damage types cannot be beat by hots, as they are just too slow. The best method of approaching the priest raid HPS is to roll full hots on two tanks and cover the raid with spare GCDs (as was the case in 3.0). Unfortunately there aren't a lot of fights where druids have the luxury of doing that -- the two fights that come to mind are the crazy cat lady and Thorim arena.

Also don't sign your posts, that's infraction worthy.

Personally, I think holy priests are the only spec right now where you can raid with NOTHING BUT that spec as healers and succeed. It's unclear whether that means they are too good or not.

Daedalix · 04/19/09, 3:25 PM

Originally Posted by blackdeadlycobra

...beating priests/shaman...

It sounds like you're having trouble healing in general. By how much are they beating you? Boss or trash? It would help if you included a WWS but rather I'd suggest you just read through most of this thread and figured it out yourself. It all really depends on the fight. Put RJ on anyone who is about to or already took damage. Put LB/RJ/RG on the tank. And spam WG on the person most in the center of any AoE damage (I like to put myself in the fray and just use myself as the target) if there is any.

It sounds like they are just more experienced healers than you if those are the classes that are beating you and you can't compete. I have the most trouble with Holy Pallies but my guild isn't very "hardcore" at the moment.