hello Guys. Sorry for my bad englesh.

I have a question that bothers me a long time. I have the idol of wrath and Starfire, always i equiped wrath idol, but when you process the change to the eclipse proc of Starfire, I lost 1.5 seconds of that exchange the idol for starfire and back the wrath idol again more 1.5s ... and a bad idea to do this?

I get 4600 DPS on patchwork in naxx 25, and we dont have wrath totem 288 sp.

Ty again, and sorry for my bad englesh.

Swapping idols in combat has gone the way of the dodo. Don't do this. Pick one and stick with it for the entire fight.

Thanks goodness to finally be signed up and commenting... I appreciate the information on this forum so much.

I haven't seen anyone talk up the Torch of Holy Fire on here recently?? I currently have it and it seems to be better than wraith strike or the hammer of the astral plane with the way stats weight ..(just waiting to see if the patch actually launches tuesday before getting it enchanted).

Also.... The idol of the shooting star IS bugged (as has been listed on here)..... I've had the misfortune of testing and discovering this myself (before seeing it confirmed by blue posts).

And an avg wrath for me (without eclipse, non-critical hits) seems to do around 2880 (w/idol), vs a 5150 starfire (with or w/o idol.. because the stupid thing isn't working correctly..). Nonetheless because of Nature's grace not reducing the global cooldown below one second Wrath and Starfire (when spammed straight for hundreds of casts with no other buffs) end up being similar in dps... Wrath does seem to be slightly higher (perhaps because its idol actually works).

I think I'm just mentally exhausted at this point and frustrated with 2 weeks of straight DCs on patchwerk. and was wondering if you guys had any thoughts on working through this with the current bugged items. Wrath = stronger despite losing time.... but does the end result of a 30% crit bonus to starfire (from eclipse) really end up being better.....? I'm just hoping you guys are better at the math than I am because I'm exhausted --- and couldn't seem to find this addressed directly...

I'm able to surpass 5k dps on patchwerk in 25man w/o elemental shammy (other shammies though) using starfire to proc eclipse then wrath.. really wanting to do it the other way but the 2 weeks of straight DCs are killing me.

Thanks so much for your thoughts.

Justinin (Proudmoore , Please ignore the mana regen gear I use when running people through heroics haha. also about to do a re-spec to fit current gear.. happy to have the current one picked apart..... have enjoyed owlkin frenzy though as it procs off a great deal of the raid wide damage in naxx)
and ps: SquawkAndAwe is by far my fav add-on

Justinin with that hit rating i am not sure that you can get over 5k dps on patchwerk :p

Anyway we did him yesterday without elemental shaman, my crits were round 45% range and i managed to do a mere 4.1k, but took a couple of new items on the way ill the end of the day. Lets see next time.
About talents, i know owlkin frenzy can be a nice addition, but i wouldn't drop IFF for it. plus ther might be some nights when the retri or the shadow priest aren't on, so the mana regen talents are a must for most fights.

http://wowwebstats.com/bdhxchxfmsws5?s=218712-261233 Patchwerk death.

Wow Web Stats
the wow web stats from the 10th say 4850 on patchwerk, my recount said 4975.

No wow web stats from this last week but from three upgrades it was above 5k (before getting Dc-ed... grumble). Justinin is just not wearing raid gear on the armory due to shleping friends through heroics. He is hit capped in raids.

Aye I messsed around with specs today... I know moonfire is messed up... but honestly I have too much mana regen right now in 25man and nowhere else to put points on that tier.. and am have decided to stop running most 10man content at the moment.. I'm definitely interested in the IFF feedback.... I saw that bluepost saying it would work with any faerie fire and at current I'm trying to ascertain whether or not our feral druids keep it up the whole time. I do think I'll prob re-spec into it at some point in case the shadow priest is not around.

Any thoughts on the starfire/wrath questions (in regards to the broken idols and how to treat that?) , thanks and take care

Hi, may someone just help me clarify something on this please.

If i have 2 trinkets, one with +50 spell power, and one with +50 haste rating, do i multiply both by the numbers above (1 and 0.76 respectively), so that 50 haste is 'worth' 38?

I'm only just level 70, so i assume that the multipliers will be different at my level?

Pretty much everything on this forum is geared for level 80s facing boss level mobs. I would not use those values for leveling.

My friend tell me the crit cap for moonkin is 35%... my question is ?

This cap need moonkin aura and raid buffs or moonkin aura, raid buffs, mage buff+10% in boss+shaman totem +3% in boss and my IFF stacs with shaman totem ? +3% @_@ ?

Actuali i have a 31% buff in raid + moonkin form +5% bonus set 36% + 10% mage buffs schor = 46%+3% wrath totem shaman = 49% if IFF stacs+ mage buff and wrath totem 49%+3% = 52% critical chance...

In last raid i crit with this supost buffs, equal i have 35% crtical chance moonkin aura+mage buff+shaman totem = 35%
equal 45% critical chance...

Well, any here test this ? i nned only 35% critical with raid buffs ? dont need more ?

Ty, and sorry my englesh.

Some people think that
There's such a thing as "Crit Cap"
These people are wrong.

On this point of fact,
I respectfully dissent:
one hundred percent.

That is however
something you will never reach;
stupid fungal creep.

updated idol info w/ patch --

a friend, who works for blizzard, did some internal research and says the Idol of the Shooting star is now fixed..... I have now tested it and can confirm that while naked (except for idol vs non idol), damage increased around 200ish with starfire when idol was equipped vs. not. Yay fixes.

I did some testing for the idol to see if it was fixed. I'm not that great with numbers so I'll just post my results and let the community go at it.

Testing was done with 200 Starfire casts @ 1950sp

No Idol
Hit: Min - 4053 Avg - 4614 Max - 4743
Crit: Min 8410 Avg - 9592 Max - 9902

With Idol
Hit: Min - 4214 Avg - 4828 Max - 4485
Crit: Min - 8752 Avg - 10094 Max - 10416

I dont underistand why the damage critable is inconsistent...

SF: min 8550 av: 9680 MAX: 11300

2750 diference between min and max damage... is very too hi.

Damage difference
can be very variable;
looked at resists?

Partial resists can
be a fairly large percent;
maybe it is this.

The basic idea of me was to obtain a basic score for most of the items. This score is expressed in SD (Spelldamage). This will allow me to compare more objectively items. This has to be adjusted by many thinks so dont take it as a fundamental law. It also gives an idea which item is contributing more or less to Spell damage.
Note:
1. Basic Score calculation: Total Score = ∑Spellpower*1.00+∑Haste*0.76+∑Crit*0.55+...
e.g. so in your case: 50*1.00=50 for the spellpower item and 50*=.76 =38 for the haste item.

2. Compare values: If everything else is equal, the spellpower item is the better one. The absolute values can also used to compare damage contribution of different slots (e.g. chest vs. gloves). If you extent that you can even rate whole item sets.

This methods helps to calculate more complex items that have spelldamage,crit,haste and int in different values on them.

Limitations:
The above mentioned values are not correct for effects that have a requirement to get activated or a CD! (e.g. Trinkets with use effects, limited duration or CDs.They also do not include special effects like Set boni. This is why I changed your example to "item".

The above posted values are assuming SF as base damage spell. Please checkout the references of the original posting for limitations and the comments of graylo.

Maybe dying curse
Or perhaps a sundial
Or the Earth and Moon

Minor issue, but was there a significant stealth buff to the Moonfire spell graphic? Or did I toggle some switch while playing with the new launcher.app settings?

e: We might as well leave it here after all. *blush*

There was, and it is . Here's hoping they give Starfire the same treatment soon, it hasn't changed since Classic.

New Moonfire Yay
All Fellow Guildies in Awe
Ouch My Eyes Now Hurt

Edit - it looks amazing but the flash at the end really does make me wonder if Blizzard is trying to give us all epilepsy!

Guys, how many hast i need for use SF rotation ? my actualy build i use MF, IS, Wrath X, proc eclipse change for SF.

i have 345 hast and 2350 SP in raid and 27% critical in moonkin form and have too 4parts T7...

Ty

Yes, now melee have something other than treants to complain about.