Moonkin Guide for Dummies! - Page 8

ggerrietts · 01/23/09, 4:53 PM

The first post lists +46 spdm food as the food of choice. I've been using +40 hit food, since gemming for hit is 16 hit vs 19 spellpower (.8421) where eating for hit instead is 40 hit vs 46 spellpower (.8696). It seems to me I'm getting more value out of the food than the gems.

Am I missing something significant with this strategy?

Balroth · 01/23/09, 4:57 PM

Okay, so I've read through multiple Boomkin threads and I have a 2 questions -

First, there was some math earlier in this thread that said that at 12% haste it basically stops being better than crit. There were some more questions on it and they never seemed to get resolved. I'm currently around 16% haste unspec'd (no CF, Something like 500+ haste rating) and I would like to know if I am into the overkill and I should regem for crit.

Second, people were talking about NG and how it clips Wrath but then others were saying that it effects the GCD. Does NG have any effect on the GCD?

• Hamlet · 01/23/09, 5:07 PM

Originally Posted by Balroth

Okay, so I've read through multiple Boomkin threads and I have a 2 questions -

First, there was some math earlier in this thread that said that at 12% haste it basically stops being better than crit. There were some more questions on it and they never seemed to get resolved. I'm currently around 16% haste unspec'd (no CF, Something like 500+ haste rating) and I would like to know if I am into the overkill and I should regem for crit.

Second, people were talking about NG and how it clips Wrath but then others were saying that it effects the GCD. Does NG have any effect on the GCD?

1) I gave 12% as a rough estimate of where 1% haste and 1% crit are equal. But haste is much cheaper than crit on gear, so gemming/gearing for haste rating is essentially always superior to crit rating.

2) It does, but the GCD cannot go below 1s. Since Wrath easily goes below this under Bloodlust or NG, you clip frequently when casting it.

Originally Posted by ggerrietts

The first post lists +46 spdm food as the food of choice. I've been using +40 hit food, since gemming for hit is 16 hit vs 19 spellpower (.8421) where eating for hit instead is 40 hit vs 46 spellpower (.8696). It seems to me I'm getting more value out of the food than the gems.

Am I missing something significant with this strategy?

The analysis is correct, just that it's nearly identical and most people wouldn't want to rely on a spice food to reach hit cap anyway. Also, once you're well-geared, it's pretty hard to be 40 under the cap in the first place.

Angelfire · 01/25/09, 3:04 AM

Also, if you die and get rezzed mid-combat then you're 40 hit rating shirt, which is a lot.

Pawz · 01/25/09, 4:13 AM

So Owlkin Frenzy is obsolete?

From eyeballing it, it looks a lot better than say, Celestial Focus.

Trunderstruck · 01/25/09, 5:46 AM

I take it you're overlooking the 3% haste from Celestial Focus then? Owlkin Frenzy may have a couple fights where it would be useful(read: actually proc), but in the end 3% haste will do a lot more for you.

Ashaera · 01/25/09, 7:07 AM

Originally Posted by Pawz

So Owlkin Frenzy is obsolete?

From eyeballing it, it looks a lot better than say, Celestial Focus.

http://elitistjerks.com/1053427-post39.html

To compare 3 points in Celestrial Focus is worth around 2.6% - I cant think of any realistic scenario that would make Owlkin Frenzy come even close to what.

dukes · 01/25/09, 7:16 AM

I don't know why I hadn't thought of this before, but you're only counting the amount of gained damage Ashaera, not the amount of gained cast time. It probably doesn't take much reduction in cast time over a whole fight to make Frenzy better than Focus for some fights. Focus works on all fights all the time though, without being proc based, so I'd rather take that as a guaranteed gain over a proc ability, especially if you've got improved conc aura all the time as that'll heavily reduce the amount of cast time lost anyway.

Cdin · 01/26/09, 9:27 AM

Originally Posted by dukes

I don't know why I hadn't thought of this before, but you're only counting the amount of gained damage Ashaera, not the amount of gained cast time. It probably doesn't take much reduction in cast time over a whole fight to make Frenzy better than Focus for some fights. Focus works on all fights all the time though, without being proc based, so I'd rather take that as a guaranteed gain over a proc ability, especially if you've got improved conc aura all the time as that'll heavily reduce the amount of cast time lost anyway.

I started naxx with Owlkin Frenzy, but dropped it after a couple of raids. I wasn't gettting many procs, because there just isn't a ton of raid wide damage in Naxx like there was in SWP and BT. On top of that, how many bosses hit you twice in 10 seconds to take advantage of the pushback resistance? I haven't looked it up but I doubt it is many.

The only thing I could really see using it for right now is Sarth 3D.

stanky · 01/27/09, 4:38 AM

I can’t decide what idol to use in 10man raiding. My choices are Idol of Steadfast Renewal, Ivory Idol of the Moongoddess and Idol of the Unseen Moon. I use the rotation described in this guide IFF->IS->MF->W*x->Eclipse proc -> SF*x etc. Any thoughts appreciated.

Oceantide · 01/27/09, 5:17 AM

Now correct me if I am wrong, but I swear I remember reading a blue post from GC, stating that NG had been changed so that, it reduced the gcd of wrath to .5 sec. >.>

Starcloud · 01/27/09, 5:25 AM

Originally Posted by stanky

I can’t decide what idol to use in 10man raiding. My choices are Idol of Steadfast Renewal, Ivory Idol of the Moongoddess and Idol of the Unseen Moon. I use the rotation described in this guide IFF->IS->MF->W*x->Eclipse proc -> SF*x etc. Any thoughts appreciated.

Brings me to another question, if I only have the wrath idol but not yet the SF, should I use wrath as filler if eclipse is on cd?
S : iff->IS->MF->w*x->eclipse proc->SF till eclipse is over->W ?

thedopefishlives · 01/27/09, 8:13 AM

Originally Posted by Oceantide

Now correct me if I am wrong, but I swear I remember reading a blue post from GC, stating that NG had been changed so that, it reduced the gcd of wrath to .5 sec. >.>

You're wrong. It reduces it to 1 second, which is the hard cap for ALL spells.

Ashaera · 01/27/09, 9:02 AM

Originally Posted by Starcloud

Brings me to another question, if I only have the wrath idol but not yet the SF, should I use wrath as filler if eclipse is on cd?
S : iff->IS->MF->w*x->eclipse proc->SF till eclipse is over->W ?

Download wrathcalc -> insert own stats -> look at results.

Cashy · 01/27/09, 9:06 AM

Just wanted to say Thank you to Ashaera for this guide. great work.