Resto UI Discussion - Page 10

Arkonos · 02/15/09, 6:17 PM

I modified the macro once again.
When I'm pressing ALT+spell I want to cast on myself no matter if I have a target.

#showtooltip Regrowth
/cast [modifier:SELFCAST, target=player] [target=mouseover, help] [target=target, help] [target=targettarget, help] Regrowth

I had no time to test it, but I think it works.

Jurik · 02/17/09, 3:07 PM

One thing I have been playing around with recently is a modified version of MSBT that, in addition to showing self damage, also shows damage taken by my friendly target.

Action shot:
http://i41.tinypic.com/263g0gk.jpg

You can see in the screenshot 2 columns of "floating" text. The right column, closest to grid, shows incoming damage and other events to the target. The left column shows outgoing direct heals (hots are a bit spammy) and incoming and outgoing damage. Other configuration (cooldown notification, event notification) is the default MSBT setup. I've set the scrolling speed quite slow and turned off the glitzy text effects for readability purposes.

You can actually use this information to reconstruct a timeline of immediate events--in the case of this screenshot, you can see that following the initial regrowth (on the left, 3297 hp healed) the tank took a large spike of ability damage and 2 unblocked attacks for 10k damage. Jurik responded with another regrowth, which crit and ended up being mostly overhealing because HoTs ticked back most of the damage before it landed. You can also see that the monster has some a reflective damage shield which hasn't been dispelled that is doing very minor damage.

I've only had this running for a few days now, so I'm definitely still toying with exactly how best to set it up, and whether it is useful enough to outweigh the "information overload". After healing through a few heroics I'd have to say it is working well, but I haven't put it through any raids yet.

The way I'm currently accomplishing this is by editing the MSBT lua to capture friendly target events in the pet filters. This would probably irritate hunters and warlocks who actually use that filter, and it's certainly distracting when doing any quests that give you a minion. If people are interested, I can post the 2 modified lua files for this. The implementation is currently a bit of a hack, so anyone who tries it out should be aware.

Dynalisia · 02/19/09, 7:42 AM

Sounds interesting. There have been times, mainly when exploring new content, that I like to have a bit more insight in what the incoming damage pattern of someone exactly looks like and this could be useful for that. I'd rather tie something like this to my focus target than my target though.

Foxx33 · 02/19/09, 10:50 AM

Originally Posted by trismegistus

BTW- no one replied to the memory usage for Healbot. Can someone check that and post a reply on that please?

1.10 mb

I'd also like to point out that you can type macro names into Healbot and it doesn't have to just be spells. I actually used HB in BC and cleared SWP with it. Never really had any issues with it and it's pretty darn customizable. One thing that I wish it did was seperate the dispellable debuffs and put them on the left and leave your HoTs on the right.

Dreckuid · 02/19/09, 2:40 PM

1.10 mb in a 25 man?

Jurik · 02/19/09, 4:52 PM

Originally Posted by Dynalisia

Sounds interesting. There have been times, mainly when exploring new content, that I like to have a bit more insight in what the incoming damage pattern of someone exactly looks like and this could be useful for that. I'd rather tie something like this to my focus target than my target though.

Here's the modified files from MSBT to get this working:
http://aurikan.arioch.net/MSBTParser.lua
http://aurikan.arioch.net/MSBTMain.lua

You should be able to just copy these over the existing lua files inside of MikScrollingBattleText. Oh, this is a modification for version 5.3 (Nov 20 2008), so if you have a later or earlier version it probably won't work. Of course, make sure you back up the original lua files before overwriting them.

After copying in the files, you should be able to just restart the mod (via /reloadui or logging out and back in) to load the modified version. Once you have done that, your friendly player-controlled target will be treated as a 'pet' for floating-text options.

One other thing I added to this was a new substitution string for the text display, "%x". This will write your pet's actual name to the text display. So, for example, my pet incoming damage string is "(%n) %x -%a", which writes what you see in the screen capture above.

If you want to get this working for your Focus instead of your Target, open MSBTParser and find this line:

if ( TestFlagsAll(recipientFlags, FLAGS_MY_FRIENDLY_TARGET) and not TestFlagsAll(recipientFlags, FLAGS_ME) and not TestFlagsAll(sourceFlags, FLAGS_ME)) then

and change FLAGS_MY_FRIENDLY_TARGET to FLAGS_MY_FRIENDLY_FOCUS. You can see the flags defined at the top of this file, if you want to define your own and test for that instead.

calderstrake · 02/19/09, 9:08 PM

Here is a good question for Healbot users...

When you do Malygos, how do you target the drakes? This is supported fully by Grid and pets show up correctly in the raid unit frames.

Elryse · 02/19/09, 10:31 PM

I'm not sure about other methods, but my guild stacks the entirety of the raid together, has the healers target their own drakes (so long as you have a pet bar, you can do this easily) and simply stack their cp and unleash the burst when the raid needs it. I've never once had to target any drake other than my own, so I'm not sure why Healbot users would be all that worse off than Grid users, other than the fact that they'd have to be a bit intuitive about when to unleash the AoE heal.

Harmankaya · 02/20/09, 7:53 AM

Originally Posted by Elryse

I'm not sure about other methods, but my guild stacks the entirety of the raid together, has the healers target their own drakes (so long as you have a pet bar, you can do this easily) and simply stack their cp and unleash the burst when the raid needs it. I've never once had to target any drake other than my own, so I'm not sure why Healbot users would be all that worse off than Grid users, other than the fact that they'd have to be a bit intuitive about when to unleash the AoE heal.

Meaning you basically only contribute healing in form of the aoe-heal, which is quite inefficient considering the lifebloom-like spell you can use to patch up the rest of the raid between the aoe-bursts.

In addition, i was under the impression that you don't get combopoints for stacking on yourself?

Anyway, the question wasn't answered, I think what he meant was: "if you actually used a strategy including single-target heals, would you be able to easily do that with Healbot? With Grid you can. I bet there is several healbot-users that actually want to contribute 100% in p3 that can answer this.

Noressa · 02/20/09, 10:22 AM

Though I use Grid, I do know that you can pull the standard raid frames from Blizzard out at any time during the fight and target the raid that way. Takes up a bit more screen real estate, however you can do it quickly, during the time you've moving onto your dragon, so it only has to be up for phase 3.

Mazzarus · 02/20/09, 10:29 AM

Originally Posted by Harmankaya

Meaning you basically only contribute healing in form of the aoe-heal, which is quite inefficient considering the lifebloom-like spell you can use to patch up the rest of the raid between the aoe-bursts.

In addition, i was under the impression that you don't get combopoints for stacking on yourself?

Anyway, the question wasn't answered, I think what he meant was: "if you actually used a strategy including single-target heals, would you be able to easily do that with Healbot? With Grid you can. I bet there is several healbot-users that actually want to contribute 100% in p3 that can answer this.

You may have found the one thing healbot is not set-up to do, however, you should not need to roll hots on anyone in this phase so the point is moot. I will double check, but I think the mounts count as pets also. I know in Occulus anyway you can see them on healbot if you enable pets.

As healer you do build combos on yourself and generally that is what most people do since keeping yourself alive to aoe heal is more important than a stray dps who can't stay nearby.

Everyone in our raid does 2 count flame stacks and keeps their own hots rolling. We use 1 healer in 10 and 25 man Maly to aoe heal the raid and have no trouble at all.

Also, given the number of complaints about the Maly fight, I really do not anticipate similar fights in Ulduar, so again the point would be moot.

Arkonos · 02/20/09, 1:01 PM

Originally Posted by Noressa

Though I use Grid, I do know that you can pull the standard raid frames from Blizzard out at any time during the fight and target the raid that way. Takes up a bit more screen real estate, however you can do it quickly, during the time you've moving onto your dragon, so it only has to be up for phase 3.

You can also set the layout to 10/25 with Pets.
Every drake will appear with their riders name as theirs.

Is there a way of disabling the default party frame? I use Grid and need nothing else.
(Currently I use X-Perl and put the PF into a corner)

And how do I make Grid, Frost Blast (Kel) aware?
I tried do add the debuff manual at "Auras" but that doesn't work.

Nitz · 02/20/09, 1:13 PM

Hu. It works, make sure you didn't make any spelling mistake and that you added the debuff in the "Frame" menu. I personnally use the Center Icon indicator for this type of high-priority debuff.

Noressa · 02/20/09, 1:15 PM

Did you assign it a location after you created the debuff? Put it in the center icon after you've created it and it should show for everyone who gets tombed. That's usually the issue from what I've noticed. And I don't believe they've made it where you can disable the frame without another mod.

Taiglin · 02/20/09, 4:42 PM

Arkonos - you can turn off the party frame using one of the default interface menus. I want to say it is raid maybe? At any rate it is there somewhere.