red

As a healer, what we look out for is missing health. Inverted bars prominently show missing health, while normal colors show current health more than what's missing.

 

Cet

I use Grid with mouse over macros.

I don`t use the standard *little boxes* to show my hots, I have changed it so it is text based, they count down in numbers.

I usually target the boss but in this screenie I have targeted myself to avoid the Wild Growth *out of range* bug.

 

S0und

because that's the default and 99% of the ppl don't know how to change it

 

Styr

@Harmankaya

How do you manage to track your buddies innervate cooldowns? Does this work with rebirth too?

 

Harmankaya

I'm pretty sure that's the work of bigwigs. Take a look under "plugins" in the waterfall GUI. Mine is not set to track rebirths, but I know there are more options i didn't check, maybe it's there.

 

brutalbovine

Might also be RaidCooldowns Display : WoWInterface Downloads : Raid Mods. It's a bit dated, but still works without issues for me.

 

Qupe

I use Chicchai to minimize my chat window and ForteXorcist to track hots which appear just right of the middle of the screen. Skada is much wider than normal, i had to increase the width to see a couple abilities and keep forgetting to change it back.

 

Burasuka

Looking through all the posts above i realised like 50% of them are about Grid - how to do that, how to solve this, what to download, how to set it, why it doesnt work blah blah... and i realised how lucky i am to be Healbot user :p

 

Qupe

Grid stinks

 

isonicq

I use GridStatusHealthFade and I prefer non-inverted bars because of the way HealthFade works. When someone loses HP, HealthFade displays the color on the "health lost" part of the health bar. This means that someone low on HP will have a large red area, while someone that's only lost a little bit of health will have a smaller yellow/green area. This allows me to quickly identify the people that need healing the most. If I were to invert the bars, the red (low) health people will have small red bars while the green (high) health people will have large green bars - not what I want.

GridStatusHealthFade : WoWInterface Downloads : Plug-Ins & Patches

 

grimtage

How lucky you are not to be kicked out of your guild indeed! The reason Grid is so talked about is because it is by far the best, not because it is by far the buggiest. There is a hell of a lot of customisation you can do on Grid, and any healer not using it isn't just hurting themselves, they're hurting their raid members. If you can't see HoTs on the target, then you're likely going to HoT over someone else's HoT, wasting your time. If you can't see HoTs on the target, then you're likely going to heal over someone else's HoT, wasting their time and your time or just killing someone(you could've swiftmended their HoT if the HoT was a rejuv/regrowth). Trust me on this one, interface has a bigger effect on healing output in a raid scenario than consumables or that ilvl 213 to ilvl 219 upgrade ever will. In all honesty, if you're not bothered enough to put the effort into your UI, I have to assume you're not bothered enough to put the effort into your raid. So why are you on these forums?

 

Najtrok

Now I thought we really were over this whole crappy discussion...

If you like Healbot, use it, if you love Grid, use that.

I personally love Grid and since I am not missing anything I will continue using it. Maybe Grid would have been same for me, maybe not. I perform well with Grid, why consider changing?

Now why people are looking for fixes is just because the game changed something and Grid has to be changed too. Maybe HealBot was updated earlier, maybe it used a different way to track say your hots. Its totally superflous to discuss it over and over. Stay happy with HealBot and leave those Grid guys alone.

And for the Grid guys its the same: Just leave it. Dont claim yours is best. It aint. Its just equally good, only better for you.

Stop this argue PLS!

 

grimtage

I thought the whole point of this forum was that we don't look for "well" or "good". We're only considered in greatness, if it's not the best, then you shouldn't be using it. If you want to be moddy-coddled, you're looking in the wrong place.

p.s. claiming that Healbot is as good as Grid is confusing, first you didn't give the way you measured good, but the fact of the matter is - Grid can do everything Healbot can and more. If you can somehow explain how that doesn't make it better, please do.

p.p.s. you're asking people to stop arguing, but we're basically discussing which, if you look at the title of this thread, is the whole point.

 

Burasuka

Well stating that all Healbot users are not bothered to put effort into their UIs is and thus are worst healers than Grid users is a bit... controversial.
Not seeing other druids HoTs its not such a big deal since in our guild we got something that is called raid assignment, but i agree that it would be very nice if Healbot had this utility.

 

Najtrok

Sorry, but what you did was no reasoned way to discuss the usage of Healbot vs. Grid, but more like flaming those using Healbot, considering, that you claim that they underperform.

What I am saying is: Because you underperform with Healbot, doesnt mean everyone does.

I ask you: How can you prove, that a person is ONLY underperforming because of Healbot. There is no way to PROVE that. You have to acceppt, that Healbot is as well suited for healing as Grid is if you are capable of doing your best with any of them.

Now I never tried Healbot, so you might tell me, what cant Healbot do, that improves your healing/raid performance in any way...

I knwo it tracks HoTs, show Decurses, has Healbars, can help you with Mouseover Macros or Click casting and can be altered in that way you want it. Now I am not getting what Grid does more. And dont say "its more configureable". Because just because you can change it doesnt mean the way it was, wasnt optimal. Consider that Grid may just not be near optimal if put in raw, while Healbot could be.

Prove it to me. Convince me since this forum is about convincing and argumenting and not telling people they are lucky they were not kicked...

 

grimtage

Ah, no. I merely stated that you didn't put the effort in, not all Healbot users. You're stating that you're glad you didn't use Grid because of the amount of work that goes into maintaining it. I can see why this is a nice thing, but it's not for those who want to really push raiding to the limits - they want to put lots of effort into maintaining the utmost in every aspect of their raid healing. If a Healbot user puts tonnes of effort into maintaining/upkeeping and even editing Healbot to what Grid can do and more, then obviously they put more effort in than the average Grid user. So if I were saying that all Healbot users are not bothered to put effort into their UIs, I would be wrong. However, I didn't say that - you put those words in my mouth.

I can't convince someone that they're wrong when they're already convinced they are right. If you can't see how something being more customisable whilst doing everything that a different product can do and more, then there is no way to show you how Grid is in this way better. Can I ask you the same thing? I gave you a reason why Healbot is inferior - you can do more things with Grid (show 5+ icons, 7+ texts, 2+ highlights which can show anything from boss abilities to amount of time on a HoT) - can you give me a reason why it is not?

 

Burasuka

From your post i understand you claim that spending tons of time on maintaining/customizing your UI (editing Healbot - do i really need go into programming?) makes one a good healer.

It all has beed discussed before, Healbot is often misunderstood as Unit Frames addon - it's not, I personally use Xperl + Healbot and i can't imagine what else information i can get from fight.
Healbot provides all you need to effectively heal, XPerl provides all other information. This is why "show 5+ icons, 7+ texts, 2+ highlights..." is like counting out which car has more gadgets when both of them drive well.

 

grimtage

Again, you're putting words in my mouth. What I actually said was that a good healer would want to spend a lot of time outside of raids making sure their performance inside of raids was to the highest possible standard. I agree, going into addon editing would be a bit extreme, but that's what it would take in my eyes for Healbot to be to the same standard as Grid.

From all the versions of Healbot I have used, I have not once had the ability to make a boss debuff (Slag Pot? Stone Grip? Burn on Brutallus?) appear on the frame to tell me exactly which person and ability in the raid it got targeted on. Yes, I could do as you say and read the DBM, find that person's name, target them to actually make sure they have that effect and then heal them, but by that time they're pretty much dead. When no one is taking damage it's easier, because you know the person who just took a hit is probably the person who needs healing, however on something like Stone Grip in the Kologarn fight, everyone is taking damage and knowing exactly which person is in Stone Grip with a cursory glance at Grid is invaluable to keeping people alive.

To use your metaphor, it's like counting out which car has ABS for when your breaking causes your wheels to lock and just slide on the road - having ABS saves lives there, just like knowing which person got Stone Grip (okay, one's a real life and ones a virtual life, but still). Both cars still drive well, but one is simply more safe (and thus better safety-wise)

(Side note: I know there's an option on Healbot to turn the bar a certain colour when a certain debuff is applied, but with magic effects and HoTs etc etc, it all just looks like a light show on Healbot, on Grid it appears as an icon, which is why I mentioned the 3 different ways of showing a debuff for Grid)

There may come a time when Healbot is updated to include all the main points of Grid, and that time may come soon. But for now, it's simply not got every option that you would want as a healer. Neither does Grid on it's own, but with the extra addons for Grid, it does. I admit, for ease of use, Healbot is a better addon, but once you get used to Grid, the amount of things you can do with it is far surpassing that of Healbot.


p.s. the amount of icons/texts/highlights is important, as there are 6+ very often used HoTs, and knowing that a druid HoT is on a target but not your HoT requires an extra 4, so there's 10 things you need already for druids. That's not including healing coming, so there's 11, aggro warning, that's 12, then there's poisons/curses, that's 14. Boss-specific abilities, 15. Knowing that a magic effect is there that you have to heal through, that's 16. There are more, but I think you get the point. The amount of gadgets matters.

 

Burasuka

Healbot has no problem with Custom debuffs like Light Bomb and Gravity Bomb on Deconstructor, it colours bar (though only 1 colour for every custom debuff) and does show specific icon of the debuff with expiration time.

Last night i did 10 man uld and added Stone Grip as a custom debuff (i know it's not a debuff actually) and... it didn't work (we put him down with 2 healers - nerf:/). You are right that this is something Healbot is missing i hope they will do something about it.
Oddly this one issue makes me think about trying Grid...

 

Mazzarus

Double post.

 

Mazzarus

Literally, everything you have listed above Healbot can now do and has been able to do for quite awhile. I have used both fairly extensively now (100+ hours for each, more for Healbot) and I got annoyed with updating Grid to function like Healbot, which requires no updating.

You're fine to like what you like, but don't assume Grid is sooo much better than Healbot when they are nearly identical at this point. Arguing that Grid users are better because they put in the time to make their UI as customized as possible is silly when you're spending that time to make it work almost identical to healbot.

p.s. You can display Stone Grip just like all the other boss abilities. Maybe try updating Healbot?

EDIT: From rereading your post, it sounds like you simply have not used Healbot in over a year.

 

Oktan

There's nothing wrong with using healbot. You're not a worse healer for using healbot over grid-- different strokes for different folks. With that said, I personally prefer grid simply because I feel it has better customization and takes up less screen real estate. I'm not magically more skilled than a healbot user just because I use grid. People are more skilled because of a variety of other things, such as being flat out smarter, focus better, can pay attention, they don't tunnel on their raid frames, etc.

The nice thing about being a pessimistic, is that you're constantly proven right, or pleasantly surprised.

 

AlariWild

I use Smartbuff for that. It will also let you buff be just rolling your mouse wheel.

 

Mielikinna

How did you change the little boxes in grid to show timers? Is there an additional addon for that or a setting I missed?

 

Oktan

The nice thing about being a pessimistic, is that you're constantly proven right, or pleasantly surprised.