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Old 11/03/09, 8:55 AM   #501
BoldOfMazrigos
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I am using pitbull for my healing ui set up. It works great and as mentioned earlier i find that the dot or bars to show different HoTs on each target is not effective.

I have set up pitbull so that my own HoTs are shown as icons on the raid frames with both a counter(for Lifeblooms) and a timer in order to be able to time a new Hot.
However it was kind of a nightmare to setup since i dont think pitbull is very clear how to do it. I probably fail if i try again .

However since i, once again, need to specc healer i would like to know if there is a repository for Grid or Pitbull installations somewhere. The reason why i ask is that looking trough this thread, and show you ui thread, its kind of clear that the most vital part of a resto ui is either Grid, Pittbull or similiar raid frames.

What i think is vital for any raid frames is
1: Clear visual HP showing inc damage and heals for the next 2 sec
2: Showing any healing buff or HoT that myself as resto cast.
Includes, Rejuv, LifeBloom, Wild Growth, Regrowth
Should show, time left and nr of stacks on target
3: Show any debuff that i can remove, preferrable as background color or icon
4: Show any debuff that are important to know about, penetratinc cold, incinerat flesh etc.
5: Should cleary show if that person has aggro, prefferable via border color.
6: Range indicator, out of range for example
7: Raid markings, must have since many boss addons are marking people for you. thanks erdluf.
8: Swiftmend icon for other druids HoTs

That is the most important for me regardless, any other stuff is bonus, like afk, dead, iceblocked, bubble etc.
Did i miss any of the important things?

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Old 11/03/09, 9:14 AM   #502
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That is the most important for me regardless, any other stuff is bonus, like afk, dead, iceblocked, bubble etc.
Did i miss any of the important things?
I like a Swiftmend indicator, since you can SM another Druid's HoT.

Raid markings are sometimes useful.
 
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Old 11/04/09, 1:57 AM   #503
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My ui



Using GridStatusLifebloom, GridStatusHots and GridIndicatorCornerText
 
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Old 11/04/09, 7:00 AM   #504
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Hey guys. I've been readiing this thread since it's start. And this is what i came up with.

My UI in action(Anub'Arak 10-man kill)

Usually I am not a big fan of compilations, but here I am using a tweaked version of Alza UI which is just great (and superlightweight - 7 mb with all the grid stuff). On the healing topic: i still can not find a cool way to track my cooldowns. Forte is just not precise enough, and the cooldown watch you see on the video takes to much space and so i lose some of my attention fetching needed information. Could anyone suggest something?
Also, since the footage of the vid, i have removed class color from the grid unitframes, and tracking color-coded hots became even easier. Thanks for inspiration guys.
 
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Old 11/04/09, 9:28 AM   #505
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Originally Posted by art3d View Post
Forte is just not precise enough, and the cooldown watch you see on the video takes to much space and so i lose some of my attention fetching needed information. Could anyone suggest something?
Have you ever tried Power Auras for that? It's quite easy to setup and it has many different ways of showing your CD's. You can go for a huge warning/symbol appearing when a very important CD ends and you can also have just a small and discrete warning...

On my UI below you can see blue things around my char, on bottom left there's an "eye" for Nature's Swiftness when it's ready for use, same on the bottom right where there's a leaf for Swiftness and on top there's a snow flake for Clearcasting. Around my char there's a blue thing telling me Innervate is also ready for use.

This is a situation where the 3 spells are off CD and Clearcast had procced. This is my way of putting it, but this addon really is very customisable.

You can have counters for example anywhere you want, and this can be only a countdown, with no increasing/decreasing bar lengths.



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Old 11/04/09, 4:59 PM   #506
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my new and improved ui, still needs a little work. Stole some ideas from many places but more from Bati than anybody else. I need to figure out how to move the unsuccessful attempt remaining text. The other thing I can't get to work right is my Button Facade skin looks different on different addons so I ended up going with 2 different skins. Comments and suggestions appreciated.
 
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Old 11/04/09, 10:14 PM   #507
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Originally Posted by semanetahi View Post
I need to figure out how to move the unsuccessful attempt remaining text.
You could try a map addon called Chinchilla to move "World Events".
 
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Old 11/05/09, 5:11 AM   #508
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Originally Posted by Atheen View Post
Have you ever tried Power Auras for that? It's quite easy to setup and it has many different ways of showing your CD's. You can go for a huge warning/symbol appearing when a very important CD ends and you can also have just a small and discrete warning...
Ofc, i love my powa! But the problem is it doesn't show cooldowns, only actions usable. So, in order for a swiftmend to show up i gotta target someone with a hot rolling. Which is obviously inconvinient. If only there was a way to get powa to show cooldowns, that would be the just great!
 
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Old 11/05/09, 6:25 AM   #509
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@art3d

You don't have to target someone with a HoT rolling in order to show if Swiftmend is off CD, that's the beatiful part

Check the solution here!

Power Auras works perfectly for my needs atm.
 
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Old 11/05/09, 8:13 AM   #510
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Originally Posted by art3d View Post
On the healing topic: i still can not find a cool way to track my cooldowns. Forte is just not precise enough, and the cooldown watch you see on the video takes to much space and so i lose some of my attention fetching needed information. Could anyone suggest something?
I use a click-through action bar with my 4 important cooldown abilities on it (SM, Innervate, NS, and Rebirth) and place them right above my raid frames so that I'm always aware of their timers. I do, however, like the Power Auras aspect of that, but if I did replace my action bar with aura icons, I'd still want them to be right next to grid since that is where my healing focus is.

Originally Posted by Erdluf View Post
I like a Swiftmend indicator, since you can SM another Druid's HoT. Raid markings are sometimes useful.
I used to run with a side indicator for a swiftmendable hot, but found my Grid to became increasingly cluttered esp in the case when you have multiple druids RJ blanking the entire raid. Since I use Aggro, Poison, and Curse as borders already (the latter being very fight specific), I'm considering adding an additional border color that's lower priority and lightly colored to indicate that the player is swiftmenable.

This is a screen shot of my UI from a few weeks ago and it's undergone some changes. First off, my Power Auras indicator that you see was reduced in size (indicates Nature's Grace active). Next, the chat boxes were annoying me a lot esp on fights like Twins where I need as much screen space visible as possible. I've since removed the right chat panel/box and I've set my chat panels to parent my various chat boxes in kgpanels. This allows me to select a "clear" chat tab during raids which has no panel and is completely empty of all chat text. Lastly, I've reduced the number of visible debuffs on target and target's target to 5 to keep my frames cleaner while still showing me relevant debuffs on my target.


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Old 11/08/09, 12:59 AM   #511
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I use a package from Caith— which I really love— although I've tinkered with a little bit of stuff. Trying to find a better buff/debuff mod, though. Any ideas?
 
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Old 11/08/09, 10:48 AM   #512
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PitBull

This is not a direct response, but i havent read much about pitbull. I use pitbull to heal on my druid and find it very helpful. it tracks all of my hots, shows aggro and highlights players needing a decurse or an abolish poison. If pitbull is not considered as a viable addon, i would like to know why. I have been considering switching to grid, but i am happy with pitbull and cant see any real reson to configure a new addon and get used to some new stuff. I am using clique to heal as well. If it helps, i have my 25 raid bars running along the left hand side of my screen, to keep a clean UI. I also use a bartender to monitor my cooldowns such as wild growth and swiftmend, as well as battle rezzes, etc. Please, if there is something wrong with pitbull i would like to know, but it seems to work fine for me.
 
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Old 11/08/09, 12:28 PM   #513
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I have a couple videos of my UI/Grid setup for healing:



UI:
YouTube - Goodolarchie's World of Warcraft User Interface for 3.3
Grid:
YouTube - Advanced Grid Healing + Config Guide [HD]
 
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Old 11/10/09, 12:39 PM   #514
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I am looking for an easy way via macro or something to easily scale grid,

im dual specced balance, and when dpsing i still need to have grid there(for brezing and buffs. but i usually scale it down to like .7-8 and when im healing i scale it upto 1.2-3

maybe even copying the profile to a diff one and scaling it and somehow changing profiles on the fly.
 
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Old 11/10/09, 12:42 PM   #515
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Originally Posted by Samwan View Post
I am looking for an easy way via macro or something to easily scale grid,

im dual specced balance, and when dpsing i still need to have grid there(for brezing and buffs. but i usually scale it down to like .7-8 and when im healing i scale it upto 1.2-3

maybe even copying the profile to a diff one and scaling it and somehow changing profiles on the fly.
You can change profiles on the fly with a slash command. Don't remember offhand, can't log in, but just manually check the slash command and then put that into a macro. I think it's something like "/grid profile choose [name]".

Answers to Moonkin questions:
0) Read the TTT/use the spreadsheet: http://elitistjerks.com/f47/t66856-moonkin_pve_dps/
1) Maintain high DoT uptime. Use WiseEclipse.
2) Nothing beats 2T8.
3) Yes, sometimes you cast many Wraths and no Eclipse procs. Deal with it.
 
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Old 11/10/09, 1:05 PM   #516
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This is not a direct response, but i havent read much about pitbull. I use pitbull to heal on my druid and find it very helpful. it tracks all of my hots, shows aggro and highlights players needing a decurse or an abolish poison. If pitbull is not considered as a viable addon, i would like to know why. I have been considering switching to grid, but i am happy with pitbull and cant see any real reson to configure a new addon and get used to some new stuff. I am using clique to heal as well. If it helps, i have my 25 raid bars running along the left hand side of my screen, to keep a clean UI. I also use a bartender to monitor my cooldowns such as wild growth and swiftmend, as well as battle rezzes, etc. Please, if there is something wrong with pitbull i would like to know, but it seems to work fine for me.

UI's are pretty personal things. You don't need the someone else to decide for you if your UI works for you or not. As long as you have a clean UI where you're not searching all over for information and can see fires on the ground around you what particular raid frame you use really doesn't matter.

I decided that my UI was getting rather cumbersome and I needed to make a few changes to it. I had approxmiately 8 square inches of screen space that I could see what the hell was going on and decided that that was not going to work for me anymore.



So I started from the ground up on Friday and completely rebuilt my UI:




A few things have changed since then. I moved the minimap to the corner and the zone map where the minimap is. I changed the vertical button bars to horizontal at the top of that frame. What I'm trying to do is maybe recover another 10% screen space, but as long as the bottom panel is dominated by a large, usable Grid I'm not sure how to make that reduction. I'll probably just have to find a Grid frame size that I'm comfortable with.

My biggest problem right now though is figuring out what to do with Grid when I'm in IOC or AV. My current solution is to just not heal people in GR 6, 7, and 8, although I don't really like that idea in the long run. Can I setup 2 different Grid profiles and macro a command to switch between them?

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Old 11/10/09, 3:26 PM   #517
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Originally Posted by semanetahi View Post
my new and improved ui, still needs a little work. Stole some ideas from many places but more from Bati than anybody else. I need to figure out how to move the unsuccessful attempt remaining text. The other thing I can't get to work right is my Button Facade skin looks different on different addons so I ended up going with 2 different skins. Comments and suggestions appreciated.

Any chance you could upload this UI? Its exactly what I'm looking for!
 
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Old 11/11/09, 5:07 PM   #518
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Here's my latest UI build. Started out with TukzUI and addon on from there. Post any comments/questions

 
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Old 11/11/09, 6:38 PM   #519
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Healbot Config Guide

So gotta say looked at lots of your UI's and find most of them to be really quite hard to read/use compared to a basic one add healbot setup.... tiny numbers, tiny bars all sorts of postioning/color things to remember and a real pain to setup/maintain with so many adds required to do what healbot does all by itself. Healbot and dbm give you all the tools you need to reach #1 healing position in any guild. If you are the healing raid leader add surgeon general and omnicc for raid assignments and brez management

I think the biggest challenge with healbot is the lack of a guide to configure it. Wrote one recently for my guildies. Try it, you'll like it!!!!

Enable = things that bring up checkboxes, I only list the ones that should be enabled so make sure you disable any not listed
Set= things you need to apply a number to
Select=buttons that need to be turned on

GENERAL TAB: enable-show mini map, hide options button, libquickhealth; set- range check=0.1sec, #bars=25, #mytargets/#pets/#tanks=0; select all of the configure class character types
SPELLS TAB: enable-save unique spells, use enables settings, always use enabled; select-buttons=left; enter your spells onto left, right, middle,4 and 5 buttons (note can use macros and items here as well)
SKINS TAB:
General Tab: enable-lock position, disable bar range 100, monitor aggro, use fluid bars with rate 6.5 (note if you have pc/link problems lower fluid bar refresh rate or turn off fluid bars – try not to if u can reduce graphics effects etc. first)
Healing Tab: enable-group, raid, focus, target bar=raid; set alert level=100%(very important)
Incoming Tab: enable-show incoming heals
Chat Tab: select-notify raid, notify for resurrection only
Headers Tab: enable-show headers; set- texture=1, hieght=95%, width=97%, font=2, font size=10
Bars Tab: first select the vivid skin at the top; set- texture=minimalist, height=15, row=0, enabled op=100%, out range=45%, aggro bar=3, #groups=3, width=110, col space=2, inc heals op=55, disabled op=20%, mana bar size=3 (note these setting work with my monitor, you may need to play with height/width and spacers for your monitor, texture is a preference but I find all the others make the text harder to read)
Text Tab: enable- show name, show health; select – include incoming heals, as percentage; set- text align=left, font=2, font size=11; change the debuff color to blue by clicking on bar and selecting blue from color wheel
Icons Tab: enable- show raid, show hot, show debuff; select- left side, count, duration, set- icon scale=.8, icon text=.75
CURE TAB: enable- monitor to remove, show on health, show on aggro, display warning, select- also in combat, all the ignore debuff ones; set- duration=5; next pull down the debuffs that your toon can fix and set check level to raid
BUFF TAB: enable- monitor fir missing; next pull down the buffs u can do and set for raid, again I change my buff bar color to a blue, leave defaults set as they are on the bottom

For spell mapping make sure you have a five button mouse u need it as a druid healer. After lots of playing I have RG,RJ,WG and NS mapped in that order on the left click. I have LB, SW, N and HT on right click. Brez + Rez on middle. Poison button 4 and Curse button 5. NS+HT are both on alt so you can left/right click fast just holding the alt key down

With this set up all your raid frames will fit on the left hand side of your screen between chat and top bars. With this config u will need to move yur healbot frames when you move between raids/5's as i like to have party frames in 5's
 
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Old 11/12/09, 8:07 AM   #520
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Originally Posted by woodsyresto View Post
So gotta say looked at lots of your UI's and find most of them to be really quite hard to read/use compared to a basic one add healbot setup.... tiny numbers, tiny bars all sorts of postioning/color things to remember and a real pain to setup/maintain with so many adds required to do what healbot does all by itself. Healbot and dbm give you all the tools you need to reach #1 healing position in any guild. If you are the healing raid leader add surgeon general and omnicc for raid assignments and brez management
I would be careful in regards to statements that encourages any healer to focus entirely on being the "#1 healing position" as you suggest or that your setup is better than another. While it's cool to want others to improve, you have to remember that raid healing is a team effort and that you should be playing for your team to win first. You can win the meters at a later time.

It's cool that the base UI, Healbot, and DBM work well for you, but people post their UIs here to seek feedback or help give others ideas on how to design their UI. Some people want to clean up their UI while others are seeking different ways of displaying information so that they can heal more effectively, but that is all subjective and goes according to each individuals unique preferences and play style. Perhaps if you provided a screenshot of your UI (instead of just a wall of how-to-healbot), players here could offer great suggestions and ideas that could help you as well.

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Old 11/13/09, 11:45 PM   #521
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Why not.

Some notable features are Quartz GCD spark and SexyCooldown timer bar directly above Grid. Buffs are tracked both through Auracle (directly below player frame, for checking raid buffs), and ebb (below target frame). Debuffs on me have their own prominent spot in the middle-right of the main viewing area (opposite Grid, basically), but there are none visible here. The only Grid widgets visible here are Rejuv (Border), WG (right side), Lifebloom (counter at the bottom), and aggro (top-right). I also have indicators for Regrowth, incoming heals, dispellable debuffs, and raid debuffs.
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Answers to Moonkin questions:
0) Read the TTT/use the spreadsheet: http://elitistjerks.com/f47/t66856-moonkin_pve_dps/
1) Maintain high DoT uptime. Use WiseEclipse.
2) Nothing beats 2T8.
3) Yes, sometimes you cast many Wraths and no Eclipse procs. Deal with it.
 
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Old 11/14/09, 5:18 AM   #522
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This is the setup I've become comfortable using. As you'll notice I am in Alterac Valley rather than a raid, but you can basically see the jist of it.


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Old 11/15/09, 5:26 PM   #523
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Originally Posted by woodsyresto View Post
So gotta say looked at lots of your UI's and find most of them to be really quite hard to read/use compared to a basic one add healbot setup.... tiny numbers, tiny bars all sorts of postioning/color things to remember and a real pain to setup/maintain with so many adds required to do what healbot does all by itself. Healbot and dbm give you all the tools you need to reach #1 healing position in any guild.
Healbot's HoT timers leave a lot to be desired when compared to the other frame mods out there. The icons look nice, but if you like having your timers inside the person's frame, it can quickly become cluttered and hard to read (unless the scale of your frames is quite large).

The font needs to be quite large to be able to read it, which in turn means you need a large icon (or the graphic is obscured by the text), which in turn requires a large frame, or you're obscuring the name and health information. It probably isn't an issue for people who still use the single column at the side of the page layout, but for anyone who likes to work with a block of frames, it makes things cluttered.

The icons are also put down in order of casting, rather than in a set order (or a set placement, as with other mods), so each person with HoTs may have a different set of icons on their frame, in a different order. It may seem trivial, but having random orders means losing time while your brain tries to process each person's HoT icons. The icons also change and move as the shorter HoTs drop off. Compare and contrast with other mods, which put their HoTs in static spots that never change, so you never have to process anything other than the timer. Having my Rejuv counter always top left, and Regrowth always top right means that I don't need to work out which icon I'm looking at. Of course, if you have a graphic icon, you should be able to see immediately which HoTs are up, but as I stated before, the size of the text and the scale of your frames can really hinder this.

I find it very clumsy.

Healbot's timers also don't all count down from full duration (personal preference) and the Lifebloom timers don't have decimals (important for making split-second decisions to refresh or not).

There are a lot of great things about Healbot, but I find that the HoT timers are a big letdown for druids. They could do much better.
 
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Old 11/15/09, 11:10 PM   #524
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Here's the latest version of my UI. I used to have everything arranged around the perimeter of the screen, but in this iteration I put everything at the bottom part of the screen aside from buffs/debuffs and the minimap. I'm definitely open to suggestions, though, on how to make my UI better.

Add-ons displayed: Grid, XPerl, oRA2, Dominoes, Big Wigs, OmniCC, Recount
 
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Old 11/16/09, 4:48 AM   #525
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Originally Posted by Keeva
Healbot's HoT timers leave a lot to be desired when compared to the other frame mods out there. The icons look nice, but if you like having your timers inside the person's frame, it can quickly become cluttered and hard to read (unless the scale of your frames is quite large).

The font needs to be quite large to be able to read it, which in turn means you need a large icon (or the graphic is obscured by the text), which in turn requires a large frame, or you're obscuring the name and health information. It probably isn't an issue for people who still use the single column at the side of the page layout, but for anyone who likes to work with a block of frames, it makes things cluttered.

The icons are also put down in order of casting, rather than in a set order (or a set placement, as with other mods), so each person with HoTs may have a different set of icons on their frame, in a different order. It may seem trivial, but having random orders means losing time while your brain tries to process each person's HoT icons. The icons also change and move as the shorter HoTs drop off. Compare and contrast with other mods, which put their HoTs in static spots that never change, so you never have to process anything other than the timer. Having my Rejuv counter always top left, and Regrowth always top right means that I don't need to work out which icon I'm looking at. Of course, if you have a graphic icon, you should be able to see immediately which HoTs are up, but as I stated before, the size of the text and the scale of your frames can really hinder this.

I find it very clumsy.

Healbot's timers also don't all count down from full duration (personal preference) and the Lifebloom timers don't have decimals (important for making split-second decisions to refresh or not).

There are a lot of great things about Healbot, but I find that the HoT timers are a big letdown for druids. They could do much better.
Just need better tuning. Never hard to read (person's name or their buffs/debuffs, current health) so i can't relate to ur font troubles. Icons are put down the way u cast it, but it would never confuse u as to what is used, because all icons are standart blizz icons for spells. The way u compare having "rejuv counter top left regrowth top right means i don't need to workout what icon im lookin at"... I have all hots in one place, and would never confuse one another for the simple reason of blizz helping me learn my spells from lvl1, and i always look at players frame at one side, rather that try to spot different hots. And then there's preferences of course... but, personnaly, i got used to 'miliseconds' in healbot. Never had a single problem with it, and it does everythin i need... until it stops working i see no use of trying grid+clicker or anythings else... but that's just imho...

not to flood the topic , my raid ui:


if u wonder how active healbot looks:



*upd: forgot to metnion addons for my current ui (anub cave screen): Mappy, Recount+RecountGuessedAbsorbs, CooldownButtons, Bartender4, Healbot, Prat3.0, oRA2 (tanking frames+raid checks), oRA3 (cooldown tracker), ScrollingCombatText, Elkano's BuffBars and finally Titan Panel.

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