Resto UI Discussion - Page 23

Kuosi · 01/19/10, 3:17 AM

I'm quite happy with the grid layout so far on my druid.
That trinket popup on Powa seems neat, but as my computer isn't the latest piece of hardware I rather not use cpu heavy addons such as Powa.

Arythorn · 01/19/10, 3:19 AM

Good all purpose mouseover macro looks as such:

/cast [target=mouseover,help][target=target,help][target=player] Rejuvenation

This lets you use a single keybind that will, in order of preference:

1) cast on mouseover if you currently have your cursor hovered over a friendly player or unitframe
2) cast on your currently selected target frame if you do not have your cursor hovered a friendly player / unit frame
3) self-cast if you have neither a mouseover or target selected

I pretty much have everything setup like this and keybound (Innervate, Abolish, Remove Curse as well). There's no real need for decursive if you set all these up -- it's easy enough to use your Raid Frame (i.e. Grid) plus mouseover macros for everything. No real need for Clique either if you keybind with these which I find preferable for my tastes at any rate.

art3d · 01/19/10, 9:59 AM

Originally Posted by Arythorn

I pretty much have everything setup like this and keybound (Innervate, Abolish, Remove Curse as well). There's no real need for decursive if you set all these up -- it's easy enough to use your Raid Frame (i.e. Grid) plus mouseover macros for everything. No real need for Clique either if you keybind with these which I find preferable for my tastes at any rate.

Arythorn, could you please clarify if there is a way to bind such mouseover macro to a single mouse button press? Say, i want to cast Rejuv with my right click without having to press randomkeyboardbutton+mouse2.

• Hamlet · 01/19/10, 10:32 AM

You need Clique to bind Mouse1 and Mouse2 (left- and right-click), I think. Other mouse buttons can just be bound to a macro on an action bar.

Arythorn: I actually do the same thing for spells I have bound on action bars, but I add targettarget as well, so I can target a hostile. It can also be a bit more concise now:

/use [@mouseover,help][@target,help][@targettarget,help][@player] Abolish Poison

People should note in both of our macros that a final "[]" is not included at the end like in some DPS macros, as that will merely give us the "blue hand" if none of the other targeting options are possible.

You may also want to remove the ",help" after "@target" in the case of Wild Growth, so you can center it on hostiles. In fact, that one can just be shortened to:

/use [@mouseover,help][] Wild Growth

----

Now, in reality, this is all almost moot for me since I do all my casting from Grid. I could probably have only @mouseover in all of my macros and never notice the difference (only exception is wanting to make more of a habit of targeting Wild Growth on hostiles). My qualm about combining @mouseover and @target is that, if I'm healing a target while moving my mouse around in the world frame, I will accidentally throw heals on random people as I happen to mouse over them. Not sure how much of a problem this actually is for practice.

Ogbar · 01/19/10, 11:23 AM

Originally Posted by Arawethion

/use [@mouseover,help][] Wild Growth

Because of the sticky targeting issues that wild growth has had my WG macro looks like this:

/target [@mouseover]
/use Wild Growth
/targetlasttarget

That really comes into play if you are making a habit of hostile targeting.

Drunal · 01/20/10, 7:28 PM

I've tried to setup powa to work like Arythorn explained, and this worked really great.

Actually there is one little weakness, which keep me thinking a while.
As it seems, there is no possibility to let powa check if Silver of Pure Ice (SoPI) is even equiped.
The only possible way to eliminate this weekness is to turn the SoPI-Aura on and off by hand. But i tend to forgett about such things.

So i startet to search the powa-code for some possibility to include this check. Here is my current status - which works, but isn't the ideal solution:

1.) Open "PowerAurasAuraClasses.lu" an got to line 1678.
2.) Insert some lines of code. (see below)
3.) Finished:

function cPowaActionReady:CheckIfShouldShow(giveReason)
	--PowaAuras:Debug("Check Action / Button:", self.slot);
	--PowaAuras:ShowText("-----ACTION READY---------");
	--PowaAuras:ShowText("Slot=", self.slot);
	if (not self.slot or self.slot == 0) then 
		if (not giveReason) then return false; end
		return false, PowaAuras.Text.nomReasonActionNotFound; 
	end 

	if ( self.buffname == "Silver of Pure Ice" and (not IsEquippedItem(self.buffname)) ) then
		return false, PowaAuras.Text.nomReasonActionNotFound;
	end
....

Now some explanation:
IsEquippedItem returns '1' for true and '' for false. Even spells like innervate return ''. So i needed some mechanic to check if the current buffname (the text you insert in the configuration window) is a spell or an item. Unfortunately I havn't found a function to do this check.

Probably there is someone, who knows a better to solve this, so we could tell the author of powa to include it for the next version (otherwise, I have to change the code locally everytime I update my addons)

Royalite · 01/29/10, 1:51 PM

Originally Posted by semanetahi

my new and improved ui, still needs a little work. Stole some ideas from many places but more from Bati than anybody else. I need to figure out how to move the unsuccessful attempt remaining text. The other thing I can't get to work right is my Button Facade skin looks different on different addons so I ended up going with 2 different skins. Comments and suggestions appreciated.

I sent a PM to this user over a month ago and got no response.

I tried to recreate the same UI from modifying the Bati IU. I had limited success but the main thing that gave me problems is the friend, mail, guild, fps, ect on the bottm of the screenshot. It put all the info around my char instead of on the bottem bar. I could not figure out what that addon was or how to adjust it. If anyone has any ideas it would be much appreciated. Further if anyone else has any tips on converting the Bathi UI to this setup please let me know. Trying to convert the BatiUI to my screen resolution has also presented problems.

oopsminded · 01/29/10, 7:37 PM

After seeing that SS on this forum a while back, I tried to duplicate it from scratch. For the info you're referring to, I'm using SLDataText with some KG panels as background.

*edit on re-reading that: yeap, without choosing a profile, as default, SLTD plants all those stats in the middle of the screen; alt-drag them or use /sldt and look around the options you can be very precise with anchoring/positioning them

• Hamlet · 02/02/10, 5:18 PM

Well, I heavily redid my UI over the weekend. Had a few days off of raiding, and figured it would be nice with ICC progression coming up. I've iterated on it a few times now in AV and other places, looking forward to seeing how it feels in a raid. Feedback would be great, I want to tweak it to a final state over the next week before hardmodes.

Basic layout is similar to the previous one (here: http://elitistjerks.com/attachments/...309_201137.jpg ), but a lot of space is saved, a lot of things are made more effective, and it's much more polished aesthetically. First, a basic look in AV:

I'll note straightaway the duplicative cooldown info (the SexyCooldown bar, and the action buttons right above my player frame). Haven't yet decided which I like better--more on that later.
A main goal was to keep a large area immediately around my character clear. The raid frames don't come as close to my left side and the casting info to my feet as before. The unit frames are further down--I've found that they're not important enough, especially while healing, to need to be right in my face. Any important info concerning my HP and buffs is in the raid frames anyway. Other things I don't need to look at every second are even further down--Auracle pane showing what raid buffs I have, RaidCooldowns, miscellaneous buffs that I never really need to check in combat, and minimap, and chat frame.

The raid frames are the major part of what I changed. I made them in RDX, which, if you don't know what it is, I wouldn't plan on using (but if you want to put in a lot of time learning to use an extremely complex mod, is amazing). I basically said to myself, what the things, in order of priority, I want to know about raid members? It went:
1) Is their HP full, not full, low, or dead? (95% of the time, all I really need to know is which of those 4 categories they're in)
1a) Are they a Spirit of Redemption? (rare fifth category, but important for Rebirth reasons)
2) Are they in range?
3) If low, are they Swiftmendable?
4) Are they being targeted?
5) Do they have any cleansable debuffs or important boss debuffs?
6) Do they have my Rejuvenation on them?
7) Do they have my other HoT's, and what durations?
8) What's their exact HP level?
9) What class are they?
10) What's their name?
11) Do they have someone else's Rejuvenation, PWS, or incoming heals on them? (just to see what other healers are doing)
12) Is their mana low?
13) Do they have Gift of the Wild?

I decided my Grid setup wasn't accomplishing these things well. It overemphasized 8, 9, and 10, generally made it hard to make anything besides HP really prominent (unless you made the CenterIcon so big that it obscured other things), and gave me no way of doing 3. I set out to make some frames from scratch that focused their most eye-catching properties on things at the top of the list. Here's another shot:

Important properties:
--The total area of each frame is smaller than my Grid boxes (18x128 vs. 45x55).
--HP bars are only half the width of the frame, so some things can be shown without covering it. By they're still longer than the Grid boxes, so I still have better resolution on the HP.
--HP text only shows thousands (and no meaningless "k" after each one). White when full, pink when not full.
--HP bars are black. Color is only for things that need to get my attention. Missing HP and border is green (default), blue (low), or red (aggro).
--If HP is low, and the target is Swiftmendable, and Swiftmend is off cooldown, a large Swiftmend icon appears over part of the HP bar (see first shot).
--Background on either side of the bar is black (default, same idea as with HP), green/purple (curse/poison), blue (important boss debuff), yellow (SoR), or red (dead).
--Debuff icon is to the left (anything that used to be in Grid CenterIcon, basically). It obscures half the player's name (which is unimportant), instead of HP.
--Rejuv and Lifebloom get their own space on the side of the bar so I instantly see their coverage looking down the raid. Rejuv also highlights the frame border green.
--All other indicators are tiny--still easily to check, but never grab attention.

Enough about the frames. Here's the overall layout with everything in config mode (remember that makes things look more cluttered):

I'm not sure the SexyCooldown bar is necessary--might be redundant with the actionbar cooldowns and the buff/debuff in the middle right.

In contrast, here's how it looks clean:

And then of course, I picked a consistent font and bar texture for every mod, an uniform background color (gray, slightly transparent), centered things to pixel, etc. etc. All in all I'm happy, but I wound up spending quite a lot of time on it, and some fresh eyes would be nice.

Gerronimo · 02/02/10, 6:52 PM

Looks intriguing. I used RDX many years ago but moved away when the original pitbull came out. A few points, some which may or may not be useful:

1. Do the icon positions on your bars correspond to the duration? i.e. where the WG icons are is ~2.5s left, or is that just the position that spell has?
2. How do you find having the bars all off to the left, and also formed in columns. I had a similar setup in BC, but found I'd generally concentrate only on one columns. However the way you have it setup as tanks/healers in your 'primary' column may alleviate this.
3. Out of interest, have you ever played with pitbull4 and aurabars? This is just my evangelism talking.

Inimicus · 02/03/10, 4:20 PM

Dont have many posts yet and Im still a little ways off from having a GUI to post but thought Id chime in about a mod I found and am pretty happy with.

Ive started using CGD (GCD - Addons - Curse) as a replacement for the quartz GCD spark.

It puts the CGD "spark" around my cursor along with selected spell cool downs so I don't have to take my eyes off of my raid frames to stay right on top of the GCD and know when WG/Innerv/SM are ready.

The big downside so far is that you have to edit the lua directly to modify which spell cool downs it tracks. Its not a difficult edit and doesn't require any knowledge of lua still, editing lua will turn some folks off.

• Hamlet · 02/03/10, 4:32 PM

That looks pretty neat actually. I might give a look, like I said, I'm a bit up in the air about how I want to handle cooldowns.

Gerronimo
1: The action bar is just an ordinary action bar with cooldown text (I've played without visible action bars for a long time, but I'm wondering if they might be handy just for cooldowns). The bar above that is SexyCooldown, where icons slide from left to right for each cooldown/buff duration.

2: I think raid frames off to the side is fine. Wherever your frames are, if you're looking at them, you're not looking at your character or anything else. Columns are fine too--I actually fundamentally like the column of horizontal HP bars best as a way of viewing raid HP. It's just that the tall rectangle is much harder to find a good spot for than the Grid square.

3: Nope, been using Shadowed for a little while.

• malthrin · 02/03/10, 4:45 PM

Do you have a means for doing healing assignments by group? Likewise, my impression is that the "DPS" section is ordered such that melee are at the top and ranged at the bottom; is that correct?

• Hamlet · 02/03/10, 5:04 PM

I'd have to click over to setup that's organized by group.

I was tinkering with layouts through yesterday's raid. This is a bit nicer than the one posted before:

I did try to sort by melee/ranged, but slightly lazily--it's just by class.

bouguer · 02/10/10, 9:21 PM

Arawethion would you mind sharing your rdx dui? The raidframe files in particular. I've been looking for a solution to some of the shortcomings i've come across healing with grid, many that you mentioned. I've spend the past couple days modifying my own rdx files but haven't come up with something i'm happy with.

_Ant_ · 02/11/10, 12:57 PM

Originally Posted by Kuosi

I'm quite happy with the grid layout so far on my druid.
That trinket popup on Powa seems neat, but as my computer isn't the latest piece of hardware I rather not use cpu heavy addons such as Powa.

Same here. My pc it's the latest one either, but I use powa to display when it's time to innervate (50% mana).

Are you just checking your mana every time or do you use any addon to show you?

Edit: I like you UI

Crystallica · 02/11/10, 2:30 PM

Hey Guys, just wondering which Addon / Makro the Priests of Paragon / Adept use in their LK kill Vids.
Looks like its selecting people sorted by current health or damage incoming and seems to be very useful :>.

I have watched for Makros fulfilling this function, but recently did not find anything on wowwiki / EJ myself.

Could someone give me a clue / link to makros which likely do the same as it seems to be there ?

At least how they could be scripted for druid ?

thx in advance

Edit : Currently using Clique + Grid, but what the Guys off Paragon/Adept do there looks quite relaxing

• Dysmorphia · 02/11/10, 4:45 PM

Originally Posted by Arawethion

3) If low, are they Swiftmendable?
...
I decided my Grid setup wasn't accomplishing these things well. It overemphasized 8, 9, and 10, generally made it hard to make anything besides HP really prominent (unless you made the CenterIcon so big that it obscured other things), and gave me no way of doing 3.

There is a Grid plugin for swiftmend that accomplishes the same thing. GridSwiftmend, although it hasn't been updated in 9 months (and I think is no longer being updated), works for me in 3.3. There was a long period in 3.2 when it wasn't working, but now it works again.

I mention this in case someone is looking for a prominent way to track swiftmendable status but doesn't wish to let go of Grid.

Shelendil · 02/11/10, 5:14 PM

It's also relatively trivial to setup an indicator that displays if there is any Rejuv or Regrowth on the target without GridSwiftmend. I use a corner square for this.

• Dysmorphia · 02/11/10, 5:42 PM

Originally Posted by Shelendil

It's also relatively trivial to setup an indicator that displays if there is any Rejuv or Regrowth on the target without GridSwiftmend. I use a corner square for this.

I have used this method before but found that I would then also have to shift my eyes slightly to find out if my Swiftmend was off cooldown to check wherever I was tracking my cooldowns. The advantage of the plugin is it prominently shows on Grid that a Swiftmendble HOT is available and that Swiftmend is off cooldown. I prefer to have my information centered in this way, thus leaving more mental space for the attention I need to pay to my surroundings.

Eddyqw · 02/11/10, 9:41 PM

Originally Posted by Crystallica

Hey Guys, just wondering which Addon / Makro the Priests of Paragon / Adept use in their LK kill Vids.
Looks like its selecting people sorted by current health or damage incoming and seems to be very useful :>.

I have watched for Makros fulfilling this function, but recently did not find anything on wowwiki / EJ myself.

Could someone give me a clue / link to makros which likely do the same as it seems to be there ?

At least how they could be scripted for druid ?

thx in advance

Edit : Currently using Clique + Grid, but what the Guys off Paragon/Adept do there looks quite relaxing

I'm not sure which addon you're referring to exactly - could you link to the video you're talking about? Most of our healers use Grid, and I think a few use Xperl.

I can definitely say there is no way for a macro or addon to shift frames around based on current health/incoming damage, since the change Blizzard made back in the 1.x days (you could have sorted bars, but they wouldn't be proper 'frames' - couldn't click on them to target that unit, for example).

oopsminded · 02/12/10, 3:00 AM

Originally Posted by Crystallica

Hey Guys, just wondering which Addon / Makro the Priests of Paragon / Adept use in their LK kill Vids.
Looks like its selecting people sorted by current health or damage incoming and seems to be very useful :>.

Maybe with the cursor being hidden by Fraps you're confusing their fast reaction time in selecting low HP targets with an addon?

Overdog · 02/12/10, 12:33 PM

I've been using the GCD tracker that comes with Squawk and Awe.
It's a translucent bar that I have placed right above my grid to help me get into a gcd casting rhythm.

thefool808 · 02/12/10, 1:04 PM

Originally Posted by Crystallica

his target frame seems to 'shift' around somewhat in search for low-hps

I think that the frame border highlights the current target as well as highlighting which frame the mouse is hovering over. So what you see is the mouse moving around and then picking a target.

ttyl · 02/12/10, 1:13 PM

Originally Posted by Crystallica

same here, his target frame seems to 'shift' around somewhat in search for low-hps

If you look at the actual target unit frames, you'll see their targets change normally. Both of their raid frames show a white border for their current selected target and a white border around their mouseover target. It's just the cursor moving between raid members.

edit: Too slow. I think Grid's default mouseover target is a yellow tint to the frame?