Curious... I've been giving this serious consideration but I zoom-in/out a lot so have been hesitant. What do you all keybind for zoom-in/out (if it's not the default mouse-up/down)?
Or is their a way to only have mouse-up/down keybind to SM/RJ if you're hovering over the Grid panel? Now that I think about it, if you bind these in Clique I know their is a Clique option for which frames to make the keybindings active on. I will give it a whirl tonight and report back if no one else does first.
EDIT: Answered my 2nd question shortly after posting. Funny how that works.
So Clique doesn't understand "Mouse-up" and "Mouse-down". Bummer. If you do know of a way, do tell... Otherwise, I can only think to keybind Swiftmend in Bartender and to re-keybind zoom-in/out.
I wanted to share my setup in case it's helpful for anyone. I'm a Clique + Grid user, and use modifier keys to cast pretty much all my needed spells as follows:
I know this is probably not easy to learn. For me I started with the first three spells and added more over time. At this point I find it completely intuitive. It gives me a lot of flexibility and reaction speed; I can put just about anything I need to on a toon on any given GCD. I used this for a year or so with the keyboard, which worked just fine. I have a Nostromo now which is easier but not necessary.
I now have Grid set up in accordance with Bigtoy's post upthread, which is fantastic.
I have MB7/MB8 bound to weird keystroke assignments that I'll never use so there's no worries of ever miscasting.
Having all my instant spells bound to my mouse prevent from any unwanted canceled casts since I don't move much with WASD. Actually I don't even use A or D for movement. A is Regrowth, D is Nourish. Shift+D is NS-HT macro. I like separating timed casts and instant casts between the mouse and keyboard, it keeps everything logically placed for me.
As for scroll wheels, I used to have my forms bound to them. Scroll up was bear, down was cat, click was tree/moonkin. But I stopped using that since there's no need to rapidly switch forms outside of PvP.
left click - Target
rght click - LB
shft left click - Regrowth
shft rght click - Rejuv
alt left click - Nourish
alt rght click - WG
ctrl left click - Decurse
ctrl right click - Cure Poison
Swiftmend is bound to my 'e' key as a mouseover macro. NS/HT mouseover is similarly bound to 'c'
This way, all of my pure hots are bound to right clicks, and my direct heals are left clicks. I only use clique in conjunction with Grid, using a configuration similar to Phaelia's
Apologies if i am backtracking here a bit. I was reading through the first few pages with regard to tracking Hots with Grid.
I have found an amazingly effective method for tracking HoT timers is to use a combination of 'Grid Status Lifebloom' (and/or 'Grid Status Hots') and 'Grid Mana Bars'.
What i have done is, rather than using the mana bars to watch raid mana, set it to track Lifebloom duration.
The bar can be set to change color based on how many stacks of lifebloom are up on the target and will slowly move down with the duration left. This makes it very easy to track at a glance who in the raid has a lifebloom, how many stacks and when it will need refreshing.
I also make use of the 'Text 2' field to track Rejuvenation or Regrowth, counting down in seconds the time left. The color differentiates Rejuvenation and Regrowth, with my personal preference being Rejuvenation set to a higher priority for display.
Also note: The Grid Mana Bars do not seem to be able to track duration from 'Grid Status Hots' only the duration given from 'Grid Status Lifebloom'
Been a resto druid since MC, and quickly adapted into the whole Grid-setting. It's awesome, and in combination with mouseover-macro's, I feel I have very few UI-tweaks left to enhance my performance.
However, this way of using mana-bars as a timer bar for lifebloom (color coded) has got to be the best idea since sliced bread, so I am ingame now - trying to set it up.
My problem is - I got lifebloom both talented and glyphed, so it's 10 seconds, however - the GridManaBar will only display correctly from 7 seconds and down (stock lifebloom). It goes like this (I dont show manabars for raid), i cast lifebloom on someone - instantly I can see the manabar appear beneath the hp-bar of my target - as intended. It is, however, all black the first 3 seconds, then it turns into the appropriate graphic (i.e. 1 stack 7 secs duration displays a light blue bar slowly decreasing.). Throw another to bump the stack up to 2, and another 3 seconds of a black manabar before it starts showing correctly again.
Is there a way to make this work with a 10 second lifebloom? I have exactly the same addons you got, and I'm pretty good with Grid, I know how it thinks - but this just puzzles me.
Advice are very welcome.
Edit: I guess the limitation is inside GridStatusLifebloom, trying do DL a lua editor to see if it's something very obvious my basic programming-skills can handle.
Edit 2: Fixed it! If anyone else have bumped into the same problem, here's what I did!
for guid, expirationTime in pairs(expirationTimeList) do
if (expirationTime > now) then
local timeLeft = expirationTime - now
local color = colorList[guid]
activeCount = activeCount + 1
if (timeLeft < 0) then
timeLeft = 0
end
if settings.gcdMode then
local gcd_count = (timeLeft - settings.gcdDelay) / settings.gcdDuration
if (gcd_count < 0) then
gcd_count = 0
end
local max_gcd_count = (7 - settings.gcdDelay) / settings.gcdDuration
self.core:SendStatusGained(guid, "alert_LifebloomDuration",
settings.priority,
(settings.range and 40),
color,
format("%.1f", gcd_count),
gcd_count,
max_gcd_count)
else
self.core:SendStatusGained(guid, "alert_LifebloomDuration",
settings.priority,
(settings.range and 40),
color,
format("%.1f", timeLeft),
timeLeft,
7)
end
else
expirationTimeList[guid] = nil
colorList[guid] = nil
self.core:SendStatusLost(guid, "alert_LifebloomDuration")
end
end
I figured this was the code for sending out info about how long duration it's left on the bloom, with 7 as default. I just changed these 2 numbers to 10 (talents + glyph), and now it works perfectly with GridManaBar.
This was _awesome_. Can't wait till next raid now.
Cheers!
When I'm remembering correctly, X-Perls uses the information from the combat log while grid waits for the server given informations.
you can solve your problem by installing Instant Health
...damn just saw that it isn't supported anymore
does someone know an alternative?
When I'm remembering correctly, X-Perls uses the information from the combat log while grid waits for the server given informations.
you can solve your problem by installing Instant Health
...damn just saw that it isn't supported anymore
does someone know an alternative?
Grid_Quickhealth would probably work for you. I've never noticed any delay in HP bars for grid with that module installed. Not sure where I got it though, probably off of Wowmatrix. I'm pretty sure Quickhealth is the same library that X-perl uses to calculate the HP quickly.
Grid in combination with GridStatusHots is exactly what you are looking for. It shows how much time left on each HoT if you color-code it right (f.e. my Rejuvenation is purple, Regrowth light-green, Lifebloom dark-green etc). I also have it set so that when Lifebloom is about to run out (3 seconds left) the timer turns yellow so that I know I have to refresh it asap or it will fall off. Put Grid right next to your character so that big red stuff on the ground is noticeable from the corner of your eye and it becomes a lot easier to keep track of things.
Grid + GridStatusHots is what I use, and it works wonderfully. These two addons used together will make healing as a resto druid much, much easier in hectic raid situations.
All my WWS are expired but I can probably make a new report later this reset. Contrary to many people here I have stepped away from Regrowth (it used to be one of my main spells next to keeping Lifebloom up in TBC). For fast raid heals I use Nourish, mostly because of the casting time. Maybe for big spam on the raid Regrowth is better since you can get good use out of Nature's Grace and perhaps to Swiftmend the hot, but to be honest there hasn't been an encounter in WotLK of that nature yet. I use Regrowth mainly for main-tank spam, but that might change once I get my 4th T7 piece.
I agree with you. Regrowth is not great for spamming the raid, as it is only efficient with the HoT that comes with it. A 21 second HoT will not do very well when you have AoE heals from multiple people healing the raid. However, as you said, Regrowth + Swiftmend on a low HP target still works wonders, and with Nature's Grace, Regrowth is not a spell that you should completely ignore.
I just got my 4pc t7 and have been experimenting with healing the tank with HoT's and spamming Nourish compared to a Glyphed Regrowth + Living Seed + Nature's Grace. I have just started and have not been able to run any parsers, but I have been theorycrafting a bit about it. Nourish is a 1.34 cast with my haste rating, and heals for around 5.6-5.8k with HoT's on the target. With a glyphed Regrowth + Living Seed + Nature's Grace, my Regrowth is lowered to a 1.34 cast time with my current haste rating, critting most every time for 7.6-8k. Right now, Regrowth seems more promising, even with the 4pc t7 + Nourish spamming with HoT's up. Some HPS --> MPS will help seal the deal though.
Curious... I've been giving this serious consideration but I zoom-in/out a lot so have been hesitant. What do you all keybind for zoom-in/out (if it's not the default mouse-up/down)?
I have bound the following macros to my mousewheel. When i mouseover a friend mouseup casts Rejuvenation and mousedown casts Swiftmend. When the mouse is over open space or an enemy it has the usual zoom behavior.
This is for people that do not want to get used to other ways of zooming and still want the mouseover healing on their mousewheel.
For mousewheel up:
#show Rejuvenation
/cast [target=mouseover,exists,help] Rejuvenation
/run if UnitExists("mouseover")==nil or UnitIsEnemy("player", "mouseover") then CameraZoomIn(1) end
For mousewheel down:
#show Swiftmend
/cast [target=mouseover,exists,help] Swiftmend
/run if UnitExists("mouseover")==nil or UnitIsEnemy("player", "mouseover") then CameraZoomOut(1) end
I've been using Healbot since it was first released, and as a Moonkin I've always loved it for it's simplicity. Since WotLK I've main specd Resto, and was told Xperl was the way to go. I spent forever setting it up and configuring Clique to work with it, only to give up on it after i discovered there's no way to show what hot's you currently have on the target. I do however still use it as a display utility, but not for raid/party healing, as it is far superior to the default party frames. So now I'm using Healbot again, and love it. I have easy access to all my spells, clear and up to date information on poisons, curses and incoming heals from other players and it shows me (with a handy icon i might add) each hot on my target, with a colour coded countdown timer on each, and stack size for Lifebloom.
Now I've been reading this thread, and spoke to a couple other trees around who swear by Grid. However I can't seem to find anyone who used Healbot extensively, then switched over to Grid. Most people seem to have moved from Xperl to Grid, which is understandable. I've installed it and had a brief look, but it didn't gel with me from the start. I'm willing to give it a try and set everything up again, but is there really a point? Am I going to gain anything in grid that I don't already have in my Healbot/Xperl setup or is it really just a matter of preference? I would love to hear from someone who knows what the major advantages would be to using Grid over my current setup.
Also, I use SquawkAndAwe for Moonkin, which absolutely rocks. Is there something similar for ToL, where it will show me CD timers on my Swiftmend, Nature's Swiftness and Wild Growth easily, rather than having to look down at the timers on my toolbar constantly?
I'm willing to give it a try and set everything up again, but is there really a point? Am I going to gain anything in grid that I don't already have in my Healbot/Xperl setup or is it really just a matter of preference? I would love to hear from someone who knows what the major advantages would be to using Grid over my current setup.
I'm pretty sure I detailed this in my previous post, but perhaps some illustration is in order.
I realize that some of this is available with Healbot, but you can also target raid members by clicking on grid boxes and you can sort the boxes based on class or role as showed by Phaelia in her blog. you can also resize the boxes, as the default shape is a square and far too small for my taste.
Not shown here, but I also have an icon for Curses/Poison that shows up by default in the center as well as a plugin for raid icons for boss mechanics and movement. I will try to update this image later with more detail this week. (It's all I could find with short notice)
I still use X-Perl for default UI, but with the raid frames disabled. For my game play, nothing beats Grid, nothing.
Thanks for the link to resto4life.com, I'll def be checking that out.
I've been trying out HealBot and love it so far. As for tracking HoT ticks it seems to be working well, with mini icons and timers on the associated heal icon. When any HoT is 3 ticks from ending timer turns red indicating 3 ticks to refresh. Haven't checked out grid though, maybe a better option.
-Luradanen | Kael'Thas
I suggest you do try Grid, with a module called GridStatusHots. It keeps track of your HoT's, and it color codes them for time left, and for stacks of LB. Very easy to customize, and very helpful with healing.
I've not tried any of the other frames, I currently use Healbot, but I don't think I'd get used to a dot in the corner that changes color based on how long I have left on the spell, which is how it sounds like grid, etc, are setup. Why have a dot that shows a range of time left for a spell when I can have the actual icon on the bar with a number counting down? Maybe I'm missing something?
I'm pretty sure I detailed this in my previous post, but perhaps some illustration is in order.
I realize that some of this is available with Healbot, but you can also target raid members by clicking on grid boxes and you can sort the boxes based on class or role as showed by Phaelia in her blog. you can also resize the boxes, as the default shape is a square and far too small for my taste.
Not shown here, but I also have an icon for Curses/Poison that shows up by default in the center as well as a plugin for raid icons for boss mechanics and movement. I will try to update this image later with more detail this week. (It's all I could find with short notice)
I still use X-Perl for default UI, but with the raid frames disabled. For my game play, nothing beats Grid, nothing.
I don't know why so many people insist on Grid. Everything you have outlined above Healbot can do out of the box. No need to download 4 addons to do what healbot can do immediately.
I don't know why so many people insist on Grid. Everything you have outlined above Healbot can do out of the box. No need to download 4 addons to do what healbot can do immediately.
The difference is the Healbot of today is far better then the Healbot of the past.
I myself first tried healbot in early 2008. I hated it. It took up entirely too much screenspace, when you tried to customize it repeatedly reset to original configuration and over all seemed to be a nice beginner tool for healing, but lacked a lot of options of the today.
I then switched to Grid. LOVED it. So customizable even out of the box none the less with the additional addons. I used on for quite some time on more then 1 character.
After hitting 80 in Wrath, I decided to play around with all of my UI's. With the additional HoT of WG and the birth of Glyph of Swiftmend, the eye to brain process time for Corner HoT's I felt was beginning to slow me down. I had heard through a friend that the Healbot was much better then when originally conceived and I decided to give it a try again.
I must admit I was surprised. I actually now have it set up almost identical to when I had Grid. The big difference, there is no thought break down on HoT translation. You instantly know what HoT's are on what target and their exact numerical count down.
I must admit I also was one to lobby for Grid in the past. The nice thing is, if one addon no longer operates or is no longer updated, I can always turn the other back on.
The most important thing is that you use the addon that allows you to be most effective. For some, they feel most effective with no addon at all.
The big difference, there is no thought break down on HoT translation. You instantly know what HoT's are on what target and their exact numerical count down.
I'm sorry but what you're saying is a bit vague. How does Healbot display its information in such a way that it's easier to process than Grid's? Assuming that the quality and amount of information stays the same of course. If you have time for it (or anyone else for that matter) I would actually love to see a mini-expose on Healbot by an expert user, like the ones we have on Grid in this thread.
I think you're spot on Zoltair. It seems as if everyone who has been Healbot bashing and Grid praising, hasn't used Healbot for quite some time. Just to clarify for those who haven't used it in ages, here's the breakdown of what it can do:
- Full mouse button mapping including modifiers
- Bar colour changes when players are low on health, have curse, poison or missing buffs
- Red glow when target has agro
- Display of all your hots on the target with the appropriate icon and a countdown timer from 10secs. Lifebloom also displays a number indicating the stacks
- Hover over tool tip support
- Lag free update on players' HP
- Talent spec display on mouse over. Hover over a Warrior and it will tell you whether they are Prot/Arms/Fury, similarly hover over a Druid and easily see if they are Balance/Resto/Feral.
- Res notifications
- "Smart Casting" Casts recommended heal, or missing buff if out of combat
- Much more, I'm not here trying to sell it though...
One fantastic feature, which I'm not 100% sure on how it works, is the incoming heal notification. If a target is being healed by someone else in the Raid, it will display not only the fact that they are in the process of receiving a heal, but also how much it thinks that person will be healed for. The part I'm unsure on is whether this only works when the healer in question is also using healbot.
Honestly this is starting to sound like an argument over which is better Coke or Pepsi, McDonalds or Burger King... et al
As long as they both perform the same function, I think it just comes down to personal preference. Until someone can give me a real reason as to why Grid is so superior ("Grid is da best, end of story" doesn't constitute a real reason), I'll stick with Healbot.
There are plenty of people who "bash" Grid just as some Grid users "bash" Healbot.
The fact is, Grid has been showing us most of this information since the start (and you could decide whether to display as text, icons, corners, borders...). Other mods like Healbot, Pitbull etc - started off nowhere near as good in terms of customisation and what they could show - Healbot also got a bad rap with some people (myself included) because it chose spell ranks for you (unless I'm mistaken). That was the reason I was against Healbot for a very long time.
Grid took a lot of work to set up, but it has pretty much always shown users almost everything they would want to see, plus you could customise the look, and for that reason it WAS far superior as a frame mod - more features, and highly customisable to fit your UI. Some people disliked it because you can't use it very well "out of the box" but it was still vastly superior in what it could show you.
The others couldn't match Grid (in the beginning). But they have all come a long way and now approach (if not equal) Grid's functionality. They can all do roughly the same thing now. So whichever one you prefer, whichever one helps you heal better, go with that. One is not necessarily better than the other.
Improved functionality aside, Healbot still looks ugly to me, and that will always be a big factor for me when it comes to choosing raid frames. Grid looks terrible when you first install it, but then you can configure it however you like; whereas Healbot seems more clunky and not very attractive.
I have a very minimalist UI with a lot of free space for rent, perhaps I'll download Healbot and run two sets of raid frames to see how they compare these days.. List all the stuff I "need to see" (that I have set up in Grid) and see how easy it is to do with Healbot, how effective the display is, etc. Could be a fun project!
I have a very minimalist UI with a lot of free space for rent, perhaps I'll download Healbot and run two sets of raid frames to see how they compare these days.. List all the stuff I "need to see" (that I have set up in Grid) and see how easy it is to do with Healbot, how effective the display is, etc. Could be a fun project!
I'm going to do the same thing.
The last time I tried Healbot, the problem was by default it maps click and right-click as heals and you cannot target the party member using the Healbot frames. I say this instead of raid frames, because I think raid frames indicates you can click the actual frame and target the raid member.
Also, I haven't seen a screen shot of Healbot yet and we have so many of Grid.
#show Rejuvenation
/cast [target=mouseover,exists,help] Rejuvenation
/run if UnitExists("mouseover")==nil or UnitIsEnemy("player", "mouseover") then CameraZoomIn(1) end
For mousewheel down:
#show Swiftmend
/cast [target=mouseover,exists,help] Swiftmend
/run if UnitExists("mouseover")==nil or UnitIsEnemy("player", "mouseover") then CameraZoomOut(1) end
its my first post and im not sure if this is the right place of doing it but i hope i wont get any ban for posting my UI
been using Healbot for almost a year and i cant see any reason to switch to anythig else, especially sth that ugly and hard to customize as Grid.
Also, I haven't seen a screen shot of Healbot yet and we have so many of Grid.
25man
10man
im usually 1st on healing done i think its mostly because with Healbot i can react much faster then other healers and im stealing their heal (Grid users)
u can notice that HoT icons are set off-bar in 10man which makes bars more visible. In 25man skin it wud take too much space so i set them on bars
highlighted bars notice characters below 80% hp (customizable) or with debuff or with aggro (or all at 1 time)
ive turned off red highlighting on aggro
Taking a break from the Grid Vs Healbot debate for a moment, can anyone recommend a simple addon which will show me Swiftmend, Wild Growth and Nature's Swiftness CD's similar to the way SquawkAndAwe displays CD's and DoT's for Moonkin? I've tried a couple random ones form Curse but they're not compatible with 3.08
01/27/09, 5:31 PM
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