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Old 02/06/09, 11:22 AM   #101
Moknim
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DoTTimer will show Cooldowns, not exactly like SaA, but very useful. Also a lot of bar mods (I know Dominos does this) will give a countdown on the spell icon telling the cooldown.

Question about Grid. I am currently changing over to using grid to show my HoTs (previously only using DoTTimer) I am loving it, but am having one issue. When there is more than one tree in the raid, the Rejuv, Regrowth, and Wild Growth indicators light up when there is any instance of those buffs on the target, not just my buff. I would like it to show my rejuv, regrowth, and WG only (as my "Is there a swiftmend-able HoT available" dot shows others HoTs). Any way to change this?

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Old 02/06/09, 11:30 AM   #102
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Resto4Life� Blog Archive � Grid: Thinking within the Box(es)

In this Guide, IIRC, is an addon that tracks just your HoTs. So I pretty much copied this layout: Swiftmend button is just "is there a RG or RJ on the target", while RG and RJ itself are tracked by "MyHoTs".

This way it is possible to get both shown.

This Guide describes anything better than I could

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Old 02/06/09, 12:57 PM   #103
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I use CDT2 for watching cooldowns, and it's fantastic.

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Old 02/06/09, 9:41 PM   #104
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Originally Posted by Akomos View Post
I use CDT2 for watching cooldowns, and it's fantastic.
That's exactly what I was looking for. Works perfectly. Thanks very much

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Old 02/07/09, 12:20 PM   #105
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can any1 post some nice buff addon name? Elkano just isnt what im looking for, id like buff icons to be as they are originally, just smaller

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Old 02/07/09, 12:51 PM   #106
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Originally Posted by Burasuka View Post
can any1 post some nice buff addon name? Elkano just isnt what im looking for, id like buff icons to be as they are originally, just smaller
Try Buffalo. You can configure it to be where the original buffs are but it lets you control size/rows/columns.

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Old 02/07/09, 9:04 PM   #107
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Originally Posted by Burasuka View Post
can any1 post some nice buff addon name? Elkano just isnt what im looking for, id like buff icons to be as they are originally, just smaller
Satrinas is also highly configurable. You can assign individual buffs to a variety of frames of different size, location and behaviour.

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Old 02/07/09, 10:41 PM   #108
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I bought myself [Darkmoon Card: Blue Dragon] and I've got [Spirit-World Glass].
When the Card proccs I'd like to activate the spirit boost (I's like a little innervate), but I don't always see the buff between all the other text floating around.
Is there an addon, which shows up some kind of notification when I get a special buff? (It'd be even better if the addon would only highlights those proccs when the spirit trinket isn't on cd, but thats just luxury)
I looked at curse, google etc. but I couldn't find what I was looking for.
thanks

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Old 02/07/09, 11:18 PM   #109
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Originally Posted by Arkonos View Post
I bought myself [Darkmoon Card: Blue Dragon] and I've got [Spirit-World Glass].
When the Card proccs I'd like to activate the spirit boost (I's like a little innervate), but I don't always see the buff between all the other text floating around.
Is there an addon, which shows up some kind of notification when I get a special buff? (It'd be even better if the addon would only highlights those proccs when the spirit trinket isn't on cd, but thats just luxury)
I looked at curse, google etc. but I couldn't find what I was looking for.
thanks
I use "Power Auras Classic". It let's you configure a notification whenever you receive a particular buff/debuff. It can notify via text, a graphic and sound. It also has a countdown timer option... works wonders for me

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Old 02/08/09, 8:48 PM   #110
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I spent some time today configuring my Grid based off many of the suggestions in this thread so I thought I would share the results.



Pretty simple, top left number is regrowth duration, top right number is rejuvenation. The center number under the name is lifebloom timer. All of these texts turn red when the duration is less than 3 seconds.

The white border indicates my current target and the red border indicates aggro (bad mage).

Addons Used:
Grid
GridIndicatorCornerText
GridStatusHots
GridStatusLifebloom

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Old 02/09/09, 2:35 AM   #111
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Your mage could be friends with my mage!


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Old 02/09/09, 2:55 AM   #112
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Originally Posted by Burasuka View Post
been using Healbot for almost a year and i cant see any reason to switch to anythig else, especially sth that ugly and hard to customize as Grid.
Right. Well, first of all you have two sets of frames with your current configuration; x-perl for clicking the unit and heal bot for the actual healing. The obvious reason to switch that is staring you in the face is UI simplification.

Grid's unit frames are interactive and click-able frames just like x-perl.

Does anyone else have any reason to use heal bot other than "I'm using it now and I don't want to change"? Pretend I don't use anything other than the default UI because I'm a purist. Sell it to me. Let's really find out the benefits and drawbacks of heal bot vs. grid.

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Old 02/09/09, 6:36 AM   #113
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Originally Posted by trismegistus View Post
Right. Well, first of all you have two sets of frames with your current configuration; x-perl for clicking the unit and heal bot for the actual healing. The obvious reason to switch that is staring you in the face is UI simplification.

Grid's unit frames are interactive and click-able frames just like x-perl.
I'm not sure I understand this point. With Healbot I (by default) CTRL-click a raid member if I want to target them.

In my opinion, Healbot's main "selling-point" is simplicity. One addon, with decent defaults and no need to go editing Lua-files out of game or configure it for more than 5 minutes.

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Old 02/09/09, 6:47 AM   #114
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I guess there isn't any BIG time advantage of using Healbot instead of Grid.
Grid can offer about the same possibilities but it takes much longer time to configure and getting acknowledged with. Healbot has it ALL right of the bat (there are few things u want to be configerd though i wrote some basic guide to it in Polish and im considering putting it somewhere in english)


Not to be accused of being close-minded and non objective i will list the drawbacks of Healbot i have noticed during long-time using

- HoT icons in 25man skin may be too small for some people and they are sometimes hard to distinguish from eachother (when you have LB, RG, RJ and WG on tank and he happens to get a debuff, its easy to get confused which is which) it's always possible to change the size of bars and icons but it'll make Healbot too big for me

- Grid has a superirity over Healbot when it comes to setting custom debuffs. HB has a limited number of them to set (literally 1 at time)
yesterday on Kel'Thuzad 25 i had a real problem to set Frost Blast, whereas Grid users healed it nicely (i'm figuring this out)

- it has to be coupled with some unit frames (e.g. X-Perl)
It has an advantage though. Both addons share some informations which, if one is Grid-only user would have to see all in 1 box (e.g. X-Perl nicely shows group set up, who has SS available, exhaustion, who's speaking over VC and so on, and Healbot only concentrates on healing issues - they supplement eachother nicely)

- i can think of 1 boss fight when it doesn't work as it should, it's healing mob-tanks at Razuvious - I have to do it with X-Perl

- sometimes after DC it disappears and shows back after the fight is over, which when occurs excludes you from healing i guess lots of addons cause some kind of trouble after DC, /reloadUI doesn't always help i dont know how Grid behaves

I'm not sure I understand this point. With Healbot I (by default) CTRL-click a raid member if I want to target them.
if i remember well ctrl-click by default is setting focus

Last edited by Burasuka : 02/09/09 at 6:54 AM.

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Old 02/09/09, 6:53 AM   #115
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- sometimes after DC it disappears and shows back after the fight is over, which when occurs excludes you from healing i guess lots of addons cause some kind of trouble after DC, /reloadUI doesn't always help i dont know how Grid behaves
This happens with Grid too, it's an addon limitation, not allowing them to create new frames while in combat.

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Old 02/09/09, 7:03 AM   #116
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As i'm figuring how custom debuffs work in Healbot it seems i was wrong about them
When i add new debuff to a list old ones still work

forget about superiority of Grid in this area :P

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Old 02/09/09, 11:13 AM   #117
Blindfury
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Healbot Screen Cap

Here's a screen cap of my healbot whilst healing KT 10man.



Healbot lets you put players in a "My Targets" group, which is very handy as you are not limited to the default Raid groups. So Pheebo is the MT, Reckless is the OT and I'm Blindfury. So in this fight I was on MT and raid heals and keeping an eye on OT. As you can see, it clearly displays all my hots on the target as well as a countdown timer in the bottom right of the icon and Lifebloom has a stack count in it's top left.

I have every possible Heal bound to a modifier+mouseclick as well as Target and Rebirth.

If someones HP drops below 75% the bar will go from Green to yellow, bellow 50% goes Orange and bellow 25% goes Red. So it's very easy to see who's getting smacked around.

If you look at Reckles's bar, you will notice a red border, which flashes in game. This means he has agro atm.

It's hard to see here, but the color of each players text is coded to their class, it can also be made to color the whole bar instead of the name, but I prefer keeping the bar colors the way they are.

If a player were to receive a Curse, their bar would turn purple, if they get a poison it goes a Teal color, these are all customizable.

If a player is in range below 90% HP or currently has agro, they are deemed "Active" which means their bar will be a bright green. If they are not receiving any damage, don't have agro and are at or near 100% HP, they will be "Inactive" and be at 50% viability. If a player is out of range, they drop to 25% visibility, all of which are customizable also.

You absolutely do not need Xperl, or any other addon, to have Healbot functioning at 100%.

Last edited by Blindfury : 02/09/09 at 11:18 AM.

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Old 02/10/09, 12:31 AM   #118
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but by default: a simple mouse click on a healbot unit results in a heal being cast. If you want it to have 'normal' behavior, you must configure it.

This single functional difference makes it more complicated than every other major raid frame out there.

I will concede that it seems to be a lot better on paper than BC version.

How well does it work with showing other Druid hots and Priest Renews and incoming direct heals?

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Old 02/10/09, 4:04 AM   #119
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There isn't any option to set "normal" or "healbot" behavior, there are simply 5 slots for 5 mouse buttons with ctrl, alt, shift modifiers which gives 20 possible spells and other actions to be assigned to them (e.g. using bandage, pot, focus, and many more)

It is possible to write "Target" to set targeting party member with certain combination but for me it is more convenient to simply click his name in X-Perl

It shows only ur own HoTs the way you can see in above post

It displays any incoming direct heal with possible amount of hp it can return


Last edited by Burasuka : 02/10/09 at 4:12 AM.

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Old 02/10/09, 2:14 PM   #120
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Also, you may customize things much different then what you see on Blindfury's post.

For example, to reduce the amount of screen space the addon consumes, I have reduced the width of the bars, added the ability to monitor player mana, decreased the size of the icons so that I can see the total health bar even with the icons present, brightened the names of the characters with the selection of color by class, removed the headers (Group 1, etc), and changed the opacity settings under the different conditions. I will have to take a screen shot and add to this post at a later time when I am at home.

In a sense, I made it look like how my Grid was once set up, but instead of identifying corner colors and positions for the HoT's, I can now see the icon resembling the HoT. This reduces brain process time for me.

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Old 02/10/09, 6:00 PM   #121
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Originally Posted by trismegistus View Post
Does anyone else have any reason to use heal bot other than "I'm using it now and I don't want to change"? Pretend I don't use anything other than the default UI because I'm a purist. Sell it to me. Let's really find out the benefits and drawbacks of heal bot vs. grid.
I wrote a post about this already, but to summarize:

Healbot pros: One mod, easy to update on patchday. Usable out of the box, extremely easy to configure. Doesn't need any other addon to work (e.g. clique) -- a complete solution to healing.

Healbot cons: Less configurable than grid. Generally takes up more screen real estate.

To compare these mods to operating systems, Grid is Linux and Healbot is MacOS X. And just as with operating systems, people are very zealous about their choice . I use healbot (and MacOS X, for that matter) because I am happy with the UI they present me, and don't need the extra configurability. If you don't like the healbot UI, having to mess around with grid addons and so on to get your UI to look just the way you want it will be a tradeoff worth making.

P.S. Is it known which mod is more efficient in terms of CPU/memory use? I have heard healbot is more efficient, but I don't want to report hearsay.

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Old 02/10/09, 9:58 PM   #122
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I'm a diehard Grid user, but the one feature of Healbot that really tempts me to try it out is the ability to set specific units aside in one group (My Targets). That's my one complaint about Grid; the fact that it's impossible to configure the positions of various units as you see fit. I use GridDynamicLayout, but even that has some issues for me (melee dps being positioned too far from tanks; units can end up being quite spread out across the screen).

The ability to move and configure the layout of groups adhoc by the user would be a great addition to Grid. I may give Healbot a test drive simply because this particular feature seems so useful.

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Old 02/10/09, 10:27 PM   #123
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As a carryover from BC days I still use Lifebloomer in addition to Grid. This allows me to set aside tank targets (or other targets) and track HoTs on them (esp LB)in a way that I still find more visually appealing than Grid. I am not sure if that would help you, Mourad.

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Old 02/11/09, 12:00 AM   #124
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Originally Posted by Rijndael View Post
Doesn't need any other addon to work (e.g. clique) -- a complete solution to healing.
This is flat out not true. Please don't attempt to make this point ever again. Clique is simply a mod for those that are too lazy to write (or copy/paste) macros.

Originally Posted by Rijndael View Post
Is it known which mod is more efficient in terms of CPU/memory use? I have heard healbot is more efficient, but I don't want to report hearsay.
Grid uses 1.16MB memory. Can anyone report Healbot memory usage?

Last edited by calderstrake : 02/11/09 at 7:49 PM. Reason: made memory usage more accurate

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Old 02/11/09, 5:18 AM   #125
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Originally Posted by trismegistus View Post
This is flat out not true. Please don't attempt to make this point ever again. Clique is simply a mod for those that are too lazy to write (or copy/paste) macros.
Please don't be rude. One of the reasons Clique was made was because mouseover macros bound to mouse keys sometimes fail to work with certain unit frames. Now, it may be the fault of unit frames in question, and not Grid's fault, but it's still true. In the interest of accuracy though, yes you do have a choice in Grid to either use a second mod to handle your mouseovers, or you roll your own macros. (Honestly for most technically unsophisticated people rolling their own macros is even harder than downloading a second mod, so I am not sure this is a point in Grid's favor. Grid, like Linux, is for technically minded fiddlers).

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