Resto UI Discussion - Page 6

Akomos · 01/27/09, 4:31 PM

I use my mousewheel for LB/RG (love it), and bind zoom in/out to ctrl-mwheel. Works well.

Not to my knowledge on your second question, atliens.

atliens · 01/28/09, 4:37 PM

Originally Posted by atliens

Curious... I've been giving this serious consideration but I zoom-in/out a lot so have been hesitant. What do you all keybind for zoom-in/out (if it's not the default mouse-up/down)?

Or is their a way to only have mouse-up/down keybind to SM/RJ if you're hovering over the Grid panel?
Now that I think about it, if you bind these in Clique I know their is a Clique option for which frames to make the keybindings active on. I will give it a whirl tonight and report back if no one else does first.

EDIT: Answered my 2nd question shortly after posting. Funny how that works.

So Clique doesn't understand "Mouse-up" and "Mouse-down". Bummer. If you do know of a way, do tell... Otherwise, I can only think to keybind Swiftmend in Bartender and to re-keybind zoom-in/out.

Alamein · 01/29/09, 9:28 AM

I wanted to share my setup in case it's helpful for anyone. I'm a Clique + Grid user, and use modifier keys to cast pretty much all my needed spells as follows:

Alt+left click: Lifebloom
Ctrl+left click: Rejuv
Shift+left click: Regrowth

Alt+Ctrl+left click: Swiftmend
Alt+Shift+left click: Wild Growth
Ctrl+Shift+left click: Nourish

Alt+Ctrl+Shift+left click: Healing Touch

Alt+right click: Remove Curse
Ctrl+right click: Abolish Poison

I know this is probably not easy to learn. For me I started with the first three spells and added more over time. At this point I find it completely intuitive. It gives me a lot of flexibility and reaction speed; I can put just about anything I need to on a toon on any given GCD. I used this for a year or so with the keyboard, which worked just fine. I have a Nostromo now which is easier but not necessary.

I now have Grid set up in accordance with Bigtoy's post upthread, which is fantastic.

anifunk · 01/29/09, 10:31 AM

On my Logitech MX518 my mouse-healing assignments are as follows:

MB4: Rejuve
MB5: Lifebloom
S+MB4: Swiftmend
S+MB5: Wild Growth
MB7 (Increase Sensitivity): Abolish Poison
MB8 (Decrease ^) Remove Curse

I have MB7/MB8 bound to weird keystroke assignments that I'll never use so there's no worries of ever miscasting.

Having all my instant spells bound to my mouse prevent from any unwanted canceled casts since I don't move much with WASD. Actually I don't even use A or D for movement. A is Regrowth, D is Nourish. Shift+D is NS-HT macro. I like separating timed casts and instant casts between the mouse and keyboard, it keeps everything logically placed for me.

As for scroll wheels, I used to have my forms bound to them. Scroll up was bear, down was cat, click was tree/moonkin. But I stopped using that since there's no need to rapidly switch forms outside of PvP.

Mourad · 01/29/09, 10:44 PM

Just as another share for others to get ideas.

My Clique/keybinds:

left click - Target
rght click - LB
shft left click - Regrowth
shft rght click - Rejuv
alt left click - Nourish
alt rght click - WG
ctrl left click - Decurse
ctrl right click - Cure Poison

Swiftmend is bound to my 'e' key as a mouseover macro. NS/HT mouseover is similarly bound to 'c'

This way, all of my pure hots are bound to right clicks, and my direct heals are left clicks. I only use clique in conjunction with Grid, using a configuration similar to Phaelia's

Harmankaya · 01/30/09, 9:11 AM

Originally Posted by starcore

Apologies if i am backtracking here a bit. I was reading through the first few pages with regard to tracking Hots with Grid.

I have found an amazingly effective method for tracking HoT timers is to use a combination of 'Grid Status Lifebloom' (and/or 'Grid Status Hots') and 'Grid Mana Bars'.

What i have done is, rather than using the mana bars to watch raid mana, set it to track Lifebloom duration.
The bar can be set to change color based on how many stacks of lifebloom are up on the target and will slowly move down with the duration left. This makes it very easy to track at a glance who in the raid has a lifebloom, how many stacks and when it will need refreshing.

I also make use of the 'Text 2' field to track Rejuvenation or Regrowth, counting down in seconds the time left. The color differentiates Rejuvenation and Regrowth, with my personal preference being Rejuvenation set to a higher priority for display.

Also note: The Grid Mana Bars do not seem to be able to track duration from 'Grid Status Hots' only the duration given from 'Grid Status Lifebloom'

Been a resto druid since MC, and quickly adapted into the whole Grid-setting. It's awesome, and in combination with mouseover-macro's, I feel I have very few UI-tweaks left to enhance my performance.

However, this way of using mana-bars as a timer bar for lifebloom (color coded) has got to be the best idea since sliced bread, so I am ingame now - trying to set it up.

My problem is - I got lifebloom both talented and glyphed, so it's 10 seconds, however - the GridManaBar will only display correctly from 7 seconds and down (stock lifebloom). It goes like this (I dont show manabars for raid), i cast lifebloom on someone - instantly I can see the manabar appear beneath the hp-bar of my target - as intended. It is, however, all black the first 3 seconds, then it turns into the appropriate graphic (i.e. 1 stack 7 secs duration displays a light blue bar slowly decreasing.). Throw another to bump the stack up to 2, and another 3 seconds of a black manabar before it starts showing correctly again.

Is there a way to make this work with a 10 second lifebloom? I have exactly the same addons you got, and I'm pretty good with Grid, I know how it thinks - but this just puzzles me.

Advice are very welcome.

Edit: I guess the limitation is inside GridStatusLifebloom, trying do DL a lua editor to see if it's something very obvious my basic programming-skills can handle.

Edit 2: Fixed it! If anyone else have bumped into the same problem, here's what I did!

for guid, expirationTime in pairs(expirationTimeList) do
		if (expirationTime > now) then
			local timeLeft = expirationTime - now
			local color = colorList[guid]
			activeCount = activeCount + 1

			if (timeLeft < 0) then
				timeLeft = 0
			end

			if settings.gcdMode then
				local gcd_count = (timeLeft - settings.gcdDelay) / settings.gcdDuration
				if (gcd_count < 0) then
					gcd_count = 0
				end
				local max_gcd_count = (7 - settings.gcdDelay) / settings.gcdDuration

				self.core:SendStatusGained(guid, "alert_LifebloomDuration",
										   settings.priority,
										   (settings.range and 40),
										   color,
										   format("%.1f", gcd_count),
										   gcd_count,
										   max_gcd_count)
			else
				self.core:SendStatusGained(guid, "alert_LifebloomDuration",
										   settings.priority,
										   (settings.range and 40),
										   color,
										   format("%.1f", timeLeft),
										   timeLeft,
										   7)
			end
		else
			expirationTimeList[guid] = nil
			colorList[guid] = nil

			self.core:SendStatusLost(guid, "alert_LifebloomDuration")
		end
	end

I figured this was the code for sending out info about how long duration it's left on the bloom, with 7 as default. I just changed these 2 numbers to 10 (talents + glyph), and now it works perfectly with GridManaBar.

This was _awesome_. Can't wait till next raid now.
Cheers!

enkoopa · 01/30/09, 12:00 PM

I tried out Grid, couldn't swing it.

XPerl would register a health drop instantly. Grid would take like 3-5 seconds to update.

So Xperl would show -3.5k, Grid shows full health. 3-5 seconds later, Grid would show -3.5k.

Anyone else have that issue? That's the difference between life or death.

Arkonos · 01/30/09, 12:54 PM

When I'm remembering correctly, X-Perls uses the information from the combat log while grid waits for the server given informations.
you can solve your problem by installing Instant Health

...damn just saw that it isn't supported anymore
does someone know an alternative?

Merendel · 01/30/09, 7:17 PM

Originally Posted by Arkonos

When I'm remembering correctly, X-Perls uses the information from the combat log while grid waits for the server given informations.
you can solve your problem by installing Instant Health

...damn just saw that it isn't supported anymore
does someone know an alternative?

Grid_Quickhealth would probably work for you. I've never noticed any delay in HP bars for grid with that module installed. Not sure where I got it though, probably off of Wowmatrix. I'm pretty sure Quickhealth is the same library that X-perl uses to calculate the HP quickly.

Protto · 02/01/09, 4:13 AM

Originally Posted by Norfair

Grid in combination with GridStatusHots is exactly what you are looking for. It shows how much time left on each HoT if you color-code it right (f.e. my Rejuvenation is purple, Regrowth light-green, Lifebloom dark-green etc). I also have it set so that when Lifebloom is about to run out (3 seconds left) the timer turns yellow so that I know I have to refresh it asap or it will fall off. Put Grid right next to your character so that big red stuff on the ground is noticeable from the corner of your eye and it becomes a lot easier to keep track of things.

Grid + GridStatusHots is what I use, and it works wonderfully. These two addons used together will make healing as a resto druid much, much easier in hectic raid situations.

All my WWS are expired but I can probably make a new report later this reset. Contrary to many people here I have stepped away from Regrowth (it used to be one of my main spells next to keeping Lifebloom up in TBC). For fast raid heals I use Nourish, mostly because of the casting time. Maybe for big spam on the raid Regrowth is better since you can get good use out of Nature's Grace and perhaps to Swiftmend the hot, but to be honest there hasn't been an encounter in WotLK of that nature yet. I use Regrowth mainly for main-tank spam, but that might change once I get my 4th T7 piece.

I agree with you. Regrowth is not great for spamming the raid, as it is only efficient with the HoT that comes with it. A 21 second HoT will not do very well when you have AoE heals from multiple people healing the raid. However, as you said, Regrowth + Swiftmend on a low HP target still works wonders, and with Nature's Grace, Regrowth is not a spell that you should completely ignore.

I just got my 4pc t7 and have been experimenting with healing the tank with HoT's and spamming Nourish compared to a Glyphed Regrowth + Living Seed + Nature's Grace. I have just started and have not been able to run any parsers, but I have been theorycrafting a bit about it. Nourish is a 1.34 cast with my haste rating, and heals for around 5.6-5.8k with HoT's on the target. With a glyphed Regrowth + Living Seed + Nature's Grace, my Regrowth is lowered to a 1.34 cast time with my current haste rating, critting most every time for 7.6-8k. Right now, Regrowth seems more promising, even with the 4pc t7 + Nourish spamming with HoT's up. Some HPS --> MPS will help seal the deal though.

Ochse Otti · 02/02/09, 4:32 PM

Originally Posted by atliens

Curious... I've been giving this serious consideration but I zoom-in/out a lot so have been hesitant. What do you all keybind for zoom-in/out (if it's not the default mouse-up/down)?

I have bound the following macros to my mousewheel. When i mouseover a friend mouseup casts Rejuvenation and mousedown casts Swiftmend. When the mouse is over open space or an enemy it has the usual zoom behavior.

This is for people that do not want to get used to other ways of zooming and still want the mouseover healing on their mousewheel.

For mousewheel up:

#show Rejuvenation
/cast [target=mouseover,exists,help] Rejuvenation
/run if UnitExists("mouseover")==nil or UnitIsEnemy("player", "mouseover") then CameraZoomIn(1) end

For mousewheel down:

#show Swiftmend
/cast [target=mouseover,exists,help] Swiftmend
/run if UnitExists("mouseover")==nil or UnitIsEnemy("player", "mouseover") then CameraZoomOut(1) end

Blindfury · 02/02/09, 5:53 PM

I've been using Healbot since it was first released, and as a Moonkin I've always loved it for it's simplicity. Since WotLK I've main specd Resto, and was told Xperl was the way to go. I spent forever setting it up and configuring Clique to work with it, only to give up on it after i discovered there's no way to show what hot's you currently have on the target. I do however still use it as a display utility, but not for raid/party healing, as it is far superior to the default party frames. So now I'm using Healbot again, and love it. I have easy access to all my spells, clear and up to date information on poisons, curses and incoming heals from other players and it shows me (with a handy icon i might add) each hot on my target, with a colour coded countdown timer on each, and stack size for Lifebloom.

Now I've been reading this thread, and spoke to a couple other trees around who swear by Grid. However I can't seem to find anyone who used Healbot extensively, then switched over to Grid. Most people seem to have moved from Xperl to Grid, which is understandable. I've installed it and had a brief look, but it didn't gel with me from the start. I'm willing to give it a try and set everything up again, but is there really a point? Am I going to gain anything in grid that I don't already have in my Healbot/Xperl setup or is it really just a matter of preference? I would love to hear from someone who knows what the major advantages would be to using Grid over my current setup.

Also, I use SquawkAndAwe for Moonkin, which absolutely rocks. Is there something similar for ToL, where it will show me CD timers on my Swiftmend, Nature's Swiftness and Wild Growth easily, rather than having to look down at the timers on my toolbar constantly?

calderstrake · 02/02/09, 8:50 PM

Originally Posted by Blindfury

I'm willing to give it a try and set everything up again, but is there really a point? Am I going to gain anything in grid that I don't already have in my Healbot/Xperl setup or is it really just a matter of preference? I would love to hear from someone who knows what the major advantages would be to using Grid over my current setup.

I'm pretty sure I detailed this in my previous post, but perhaps some illustration is in order.

I realize that some of this is available with Healbot, but you can also target raid members by clicking on grid boxes and you can sort the boxes based on class or role as showed by Phaelia in her blog. you can also resize the boxes, as the default shape is a square and far too small for my taste.

Not shown here, but I also have an icon for Curses/Poison that shows up by default in the center as well as a plugin for raid icons for boss mechanics and movement. I will try to update this image later with more detail this week. (It's all I could find with short notice)

I still use X-Perl for default UI, but with the raid frames disabled. For my game play, nothing beats Grid, nothing.

Protto · 02/03/09, 12:09 AM

Originally Posted by Tegid

Thanks for the link to resto4life.com, I'll def be checking that out.

I've been trying out HealBot and love it so far. As for tracking HoT ticks it seems to be working well, with mini icons and timers on the associated heal icon. When any HoT is 3 ticks from ending timer turns red indicating 3 ticks to refresh. Haven't checked out grid though, maybe a better option.

-Luradanen | Kael'Thas

I suggest you do try Grid, with a module called GridStatusHots. It keeps track of your HoT's, and it color codes them for time left, and for stacks of LB. Very easy to customize, and very helpful with healing.

jefe74 · 02/04/09, 11:28 AM

I've not tried any of the other frames, I currently use Healbot, but I don't think I'd get used to a dot in the corner that changes color based on how long I have left on the spell, which is how it sounds like grid, etc, are setup. Why have a dot that shows a range of time left for a spell when I can have the actual icon on the bar with a number counting down? Maybe I'm missing something?