Resto UI Discussion - Page 7

Vrakk · 02/04/09, 11:51 AM

Originally Posted by jefe74

Maybe I'm missing something?

As discussed earlier in this thread, grid can display your hots as a square or as text.

GridIndicatorCornerText
GridStatusHots
GridStatusLifebloom

^ These are the relevant plugins you will need.

Mazzarus · 02/04/09, 12:35 PM

Originally Posted by trismegistus

I'm pretty sure I detailed this in my previous post, but perhaps some illustration is in order.

I realize that some of this is available with Healbot, but you can also target raid members by clicking on grid boxes and you can sort the boxes based on class or role as showed by Phaelia in her blog. you can also resize the boxes, as the default shape is a square and far too small for my taste.

Not shown here, but I also have an icon for Curses/Poison that shows up by default in the center as well as a plugin for raid icons for boss mechanics and movement. I will try to update this image later with more detail this week. (It's all I could find with short notice)

I still use X-Perl for default UI, but with the raid frames disabled. For my game play, nothing beats Grid, nothing.

I don't know why so many people insist on Grid. Everything you have outlined above Healbot can do out of the box. No need to download 4 addons to do what healbot can do immediately.

Zoltair · 02/04/09, 3:41 PM

Originally Posted by Mazzarus

I don't know why so many people insist on Grid. Everything you have outlined above Healbot can do out of the box. No need to download 4 addons to do what healbot can do immediately.

The difference is the Healbot of today is far better then the Healbot of the past.

I myself first tried healbot in early 2008. I hated it. It took up entirely too much screenspace, when you tried to customize it repeatedly reset to original configuration and over all seemed to be a nice beginner tool for healing, but lacked a lot of options of the today.

I then switched to Grid. LOVED it. So customizable even out of the box none the less with the additional addons. I used on for quite some time on more then 1 character.

After hitting 80 in Wrath, I decided to play around with all of my UI's. With the additional HoT of WG and the birth of Glyph of Swiftmend, the eye to brain process time for Corner HoT's I felt was beginning to slow me down. I had heard through a friend that the Healbot was much better then when originally conceived and I decided to give it a try again.

I must admit I was surprised. I actually now have it set up almost identical to when I had Grid. The big difference, there is no thought break down on HoT translation. You instantly know what HoT's are on what target and their exact numerical count down.

I must admit I also was one to lobby for Grid in the past. The nice thing is, if one addon no longer operates or is no longer updated, I can always turn the other back on.

The most important thing is that you use the addon that allows you to be most effective. For some, they feel most effective with no addon at all.

Dynalisia · 02/04/09, 8:03 PM

Originally Posted by Zoltair

The big difference, there is no thought break down on HoT translation. You instantly know what HoT's are on what target and their exact numerical count down.

I'm sorry but what you're saying is a bit vague. How does Healbot display its information in such a way that it's easier to process than Grid's? Assuming that the quality and amount of information stays the same of course. If you have time for it (or anyone else for that matter) I would actually love to see a mini-expose on Healbot by an expert user, like the ones we have on Grid in this thread.

Blindfury · 02/04/09, 8:55 PM

I think you're spot on Zoltair. It seems as if everyone who has been Healbot bashing and Grid praising, hasn't used Healbot for quite some time. Just to clarify for those who haven't used it in ages, here's the breakdown of what it can do:

- Full mouse button mapping including modifiers
- Bar colour changes when players are low on health, have curse, poison or missing buffs
- Red glow when target has agro
- Display of all your hots on the target with the appropriate icon and a countdown timer from 10secs. Lifebloom also displays a number indicating the stacks
- Hover over tool tip support
- Lag free update on players' HP
- Talent spec display on mouse over. Hover over a Warrior and it will tell you whether they are Prot/Arms/Fury, similarly hover over a Druid and easily see if they are Balance/Resto/Feral.
- Res notifications
- "Smart Casting" Casts recommended heal, or missing buff if out of combat
- Much more, I'm not here trying to sell it though...

One fantastic feature, which I'm not 100% sure on how it works, is the incoming heal notification. If a target is being healed by someone else in the Raid, it will display not only the fact that they are in the process of receiving a heal, but also how much it thinks that person will be healed for. The part I'm unsure on is whether this only works when the healer in question is also using healbot.

Honestly this is starting to sound like an argument over which is better Coke or Pepsi, McDonalds or Burger King... et al

As long as they both perform the same function, I think it just comes down to personal preference. Until someone can give me a real reason as to why Grid is so superior ("Grid is da best, end of story" doesn't constitute a real reason), I'll stick with Healbot.

Keeva · 02/04/09, 9:13 PM

There are plenty of people who "bash" Grid just as some Grid users "bash" Healbot.

The fact is, Grid has been showing us most of this information since the start (and you could decide whether to display as text, icons, corners, borders...). Other mods like Healbot, Pitbull etc - started off nowhere near as good in terms of customisation and what they could show - Healbot also got a bad rap with some people (myself included) because it chose spell ranks for you (unless I'm mistaken). That was the reason I was against Healbot for a very long time.

Grid took a lot of work to set up, but it has pretty much always shown users almost everything they would want to see, plus you could customise the look, and for that reason it WAS far superior as a frame mod - more features, and highly customisable to fit your UI. Some people disliked it because you can't use it very well "out of the box" but it was still vastly superior in what it could show you.

The others couldn't match Grid (in the beginning). But they have all come a long way and now approach (if not equal) Grid's functionality. They can all do roughly the same thing now. So whichever one you prefer, whichever one helps you heal better, go with that. One is not necessarily better than the other.

Improved functionality aside, Healbot still looks ugly to me, and that will always be a big factor for me when it comes to choosing raid frames. Grid looks terrible when you first install it, but then you can configure it however you like; whereas Healbot seems more clunky and not very attractive.

I have a very minimalist UI with a lot of free space for rent, perhaps I'll download Healbot and run two sets of raid frames to see how they compare these days.. List all the stuff I "need to see" (that I have set up in Grid) and see how easy it is to do with Healbot, how effective the display is, etc. Could be a fun project!

calderstrake · 02/05/09, 12:20 AM

Originally Posted by Keeva

I have a very minimalist UI with a lot of free space for rent, perhaps I'll download Healbot and run two sets of raid frames to see how they compare these days.. List all the stuff I "need to see" (that I have set up in Grid) and see how easy it is to do with Healbot, how effective the display is, etc. Could be a fun project!

I'm going to do the same thing.

The last time I tried Healbot, the problem was by default it maps click and right-click as heals and you cannot target the party member using the Healbot frames. I say this instead of raid frames, because I think raid frames indicates you can click the actual frame and target the raid member.

Also, I haven't seen a screen shot of Healbot yet and we have so many of Grid.

atliens · 02/05/09, 12:40 PM

Originally Posted by Ochse Otti

For mousewheel up:

#show Rejuvenation
/cast [target=mouseover,exists,help] Rejuvenation
/run if UnitExists("mouseover")==nil or UnitIsEnemy("player", "mouseover") then CameraZoomIn(1) end

For mousewheel down:

#show Swiftmend
/cast [target=mouseover,exists,help] Swiftmend
/run if UnitExists("mouseover")==nil or UnitIsEnemy("player", "mouseover") then CameraZoomOut(1) end

OMFG Otti! XOXO for realz.

Burasuka · 02/06/09, 8:55 AM

its my first post and im not sure if this is the right place of doing it but i hope i wont get any ban for posting my UI

been using Healbot for almost a year and i cant see any reason to switch to anythig else, especially sth that ugly and hard to customize as Grid.

Also, I haven't seen a screen shot of Healbot yet and we have so many of Grid.

25man

10man

im usually 1st on healing done i think its mostly because with Healbot i can react much faster then other healers and im stealing their heal (Grid users)

u can notice that HoT icons are set off-bar in 10man which makes bars more visible. In 25man skin it wud take too much space so i set them on bars
highlighted bars notice characters below 80% hp (customizable) or with debuff or with aggro (or all at 1 time)
ive turned off red highlighting on aggro

ill gladly answer any questions about it

Blindfury · 02/06/09, 10:09 AM

Taking a break from the Grid Vs Healbot debate for a moment, can anyone recommend a simple addon which will show me Swiftmend, Wild Growth and Nature's Swiftness CD's similar to the way SquawkAndAwe displays CD's and DoT's for Moonkin? I've tried a couple random ones form Curse but they're not compatible with 3.08

Moknim · 02/06/09, 10:22 AM

DoTTimer will show Cooldowns, not exactly like SaA, but very useful. Also a lot of bar mods (I know Dominos does this) will give a countdown on the spell icon telling the cooldown.

Question about Grid. I am currently changing over to using grid to show my HoTs (previously only using DoTTimer) I am loving it, but am having one issue. When there is more than one tree in the raid, the Rejuv, Regrowth, and Wild Growth indicators light up when there is any instance of those buffs on the target, not just my buff. I would like it to show my rejuv, regrowth, and WG only (as my "Is there a swiftmend-able HoT available" dot shows others HoTs). Any way to change this?

Najtrok · 02/06/09, 10:30 AM

Resto4Life� Blog Archive � Grid: Thinking within the Box(es)

In this Guide, IIRC, is an addon that tracks just your HoTs. So I pretty much copied this layout: Swiftmend button is just "is there a RG or RJ on the target", while RG and RJ itself are tracked by "MyHoTs".

This way it is possible to get both shown.

This Guide describes anything better than I could

Akomos · 02/06/09, 11:57 AM

I use CDT2 for watching cooldowns, and it's fantastic.

Blindfury · 02/06/09, 8:41 PM

Originally Posted by Akomos

I use CDT2 for watching cooldowns, and it's fantastic.

That's exactly what I was looking for. Works perfectly. Thanks very much

Burasuka · 02/07/09, 11:20 AM

can any1 post some nice buff addon name? Elkano just isnt what im looking for, id like buff icons to be as they are originally, just smaller