Illudoran

Thank you for your answers.
Until I read the combatlog of Maghun I thougt aswell my low average starfire dmg is because of the missing idol, but according to the arsenal Maghuns char Boomthis is using the wrath idol too.
I´m well aware of the importance of the starfire idol, I was just unlucky with drops.

 

• Adoriele

Obviously you didn't check the right armory. If you look at mine, you'll see that the only way to do the best DPS is with [Idol of Lush Moss].

 

Maghun

Hey,

I am looking for feedback on my wws report, I know my gear lacks alot of BiS items but I believe my spec will deliver the best dps based on what I have read in the moonkin raiding guide and moonkin guide for dummies posts.

My current rotation is IS -> MF -> wrath until eclipse -> starfire until eclipse cooldown -> IS -> starfire until about 6 secs on eclipse CD -> MF -> 1 starfire -> then wrath spam until eclipse then repeat from star eclipse.

This means MF isn't applied for about 5-8 seconds during eclipse CD, I am considering trying to keep MF up 100% except when under hero+eclipse, but this will mean reapplying it during eclipse since MF is ~10k damage while an eclipsed starfire average is about 8-9k

In this parse I also used starfall->if->mf , I am consider waiting until the first eclipse to use starfall in the future however. I believe I got my trents with close to full hero which is something I always aim for.

Here is my wws for last weeks patchwork: WoW Meter Online - Combatlog Replay in Engrish where I did 5.1k DPS.

 

alpiino

Wow Web Stats
WoW Meter Online - Combatlog Replay in Engrish

Heres my 6674 pw parse if someone is interested to check it.

 

• Adoriele

Could you post a snapshot of your gear and talents using chardev or something similar? Fairly certain you're in BiS, but it'd be nice to show people what proper gearing looks like, so they can compare.

 

alpiino

Armory should show it all.
Missing Pennant cloak, leash of heedless magic and footsteps of malygos. Other than that I have everything bis.

 

• Adoriele

When I checked earlier it still had you in your Feral spec and gear, hence the ask. I'm actually quite surprised you got so high while still missing three slots. Your Starfire crit rate is expected, maybe even a little low, and your DP warlock isn't as good as Totem of Wrath, though it's a bit better then Flametongue (you may want to tell your shaman she can drop something else, though it won't matter much).

70% IS uptime
85% MF uptime
Average latency (and this is the amazing one) .078s, for 95% casting time assuming no latency. This is definitely a case of a person doing everything right. I'd like to see what you can pull with full upgrades.

 

Thermomenes

Yes, now the question is: Can 6600+ be reproduced by Muusikauha and others while we remain within the T7 content or is this the extreme outlier on a graph of the sum caused in part by very low average latency?

There are some very good WWS parses on this thread of individuals maintaining similar efficiency in rotation and quality of gear that still languish in the 5k-6k range. The next best I recall was by Fujiya with 6006 dps on Patch which is a substantial 668 dps lower.

 

Bela

Hi Everyone,

I was hoping some of you might be willing to help me out a bit. I am just getting into Moonkin raiding. I have been using an eclipse rotation but have been frustrated by my DPS. I wasn't sure how I stacked in terms of other moonkin until recently when I have had the opportunity to raid with our primary Moonkin raider. He does not use an eclipse rotation and hands down does far greater DPS than me.

I would like to improve, but am pretty stuck as to where to look for improvement. I try to stay on target and chain casting as much as possible. My rotation (that i stick to pretty well but not perfect) is MF, IS->Wrath til Lunar proc->SF til cooldown-> refresh MF, IS->Starfire to end of cooldown (i try to stop casting SF at 2.5 sec to avoid accidental Solar proc)-> begin Wrath again to proc Lunar Eclipse.

Here are a couple charts from recent raids that have our other moonkin in as well:

25-man Naxx
Wow Web Stats

10-man Naxx
Wow Web Stats

My overall DPS is much lower than what it should be according to WrathCalcs. The theoretical DPS is around 4100.

Thanks in advance!



PS. Thanks Adoriele for your prompt response to my PM. My raid lead suggested posting here as well.

 

pukabg

alpiino just curious as if that's the spec you use for all of naxx? If so, how is your overall boss DPS without any aoe or mana regen? I feel like that spec would work for most/all of naxx but not so much for an encounter like sarth 3D.

 

Maghun

Also you have skinning, if you where to change to JC you could gain an additional 56 sp.

pretty amazing parse imo.

 

Anastassius

How come deathchill cloak is better than KZ one or the Shroud? My rawr gives me better than the KZ i have equipped, the pennant cloak.

 

Sorail

Your dps on Patch is pretty close to that theoretical DPS.
Checked your 25-man charts only. Your casting time is only at 72% on Patch which definitely could be higher. If you don't use it, try the addon Quartz or simply spam those buttons, helps to up your useful spent time. IS uptime is also down at 47%, could be better even when not renewing it with eclipse/hero/when trying to proc eclipse.

Using a purple gem in your chest instead of legs would also be of benefit even though minor. Gemming your belt and of course dropping skinning for something useful would up your dps too.

Other than that you probably only need gear upgrades.

 

alpiino

Ofc i change specs depending on whats the goal for the evening.
That spec is good only for short single target dps fights. I didn't run oom with that spec because we get bosses down pretty fast these days. Well ok I ran oom at kelly 10% but I innervated our arcane mage.

When farming nax content speccing mana regen and aoe talents would be better because of insanely fast pulling pace and a lot of aoe packs. Without any mana regen talents you will have down time during trash clear if you chaincast hurricanes. At this point of farming I rather have some fun at patchy and slack a bit during trash, nax content is steamrolling anyway.

A fight like 10 3d atm and propably most of ulduar stuff requires a lot more mana regen and aoe so obviously that spec is not suitable for them.

What comes to professions. I know that JC beats skinning and i've been thinking of dropping it but im too slacky to do it atm. Also JC loses some edge when epic gems are introduced so its propably comparable with other nongathering professions.

What comes to the latency. That 60-70ms should be quite average for me. I dont know how accurate the blizzard built in latency meter is but atm in IF it shows 61 for me.

Edit: Just noticed that I used glyph of shred on that PW parse instead of glyph of IS cuz i forgot to chance that after my pvp session. :P

 

• Zarken

I'm in no way in the 'low average latency' category and still chasing plenty of BiS items but with some favourable crits I was able to manage around the 6k mark.

WoW Meter Online - Combatlog Replay in Engrish

Running at 200-250ms and having a < 1 sec wrath it is quite annoying if your struggling to proc wrath, but I was lucky this time with procs.

48% uptime on IS, 81% uptime on Moonfire according to
WoW Meter Online - Patchwerk Debuffs

 

Eilt

http://wowwebstats.com/4bnj5rkeqhi45...186&a=x22005a6

It took power infusion and a 72% crit on starfire to get to 5.7k. I still would like to see my treants get a 1.1% miss rate on patch one night.

Note: Did not have torch during the patch parse. There is also something strange going on in the buffs, it says I had innervate up for 101% of the fight?

 

klüger

Well, if you were going to change (which you have started on now :p) JC gives you more then the little edge from the eye-gems, it also gives you a stat boost in that they are prismatic. so you dont have to struggle with 2x shit blue gems.

 

dukes

It also says you had Fungal Creep for 2'34" (101%) of the Patchwerk fight.

 

alpiino

Haha, yeah I thought it over and checked the sockets in T8. Good socket bonuses but friggin blue sockets so I thought that I might as well lvl JC.

 

Feathorne

I normally don't post random WWS parses without a question about it, but I was recently ranked 17th druid in the US on Thaddius and I wanted to share some of the positive gains from reading these forums.

Wow Web Stats


I still think I can do better on this fight and I am still missing a few pieces from being completely best in slot, but overall, gearing can only take a person so far. Knowing the fight, developing a strategy for your DPS for each boss and timing is going to make your DPS take off.

Example, Patchwerk - Right before a pull, pop a potion of wild magic, to get you criting early. After the internal CD of your pot (since you took it technically before combat), pop a Potion of Speed, then try and get a 5 sec countdown on Heroism/Bloodlust so you can drop your treants and gain the buff. Those tips on top of casting starfall and getting a good eclipse rotation is going to wreck the boss.

 

Keifie

Hi all.

I'm looking to improve my Moonkin, but I'm struggling to find the right balance between rotations. I'd love some pointers if at all possible. I was hit capped with [Preceptor's Bindings] on, but put on what you see now to play about. I feel like I'm trying to focus on too much at the same time just now and it's starting to wreck my head. Part of the problem is trying to digest everything that is here to maximise the dps.

WWS

My main question is, how much is dps about the gear I don't have yet verses the rotation?

Thanks in advance.

 

Legios

Hi everyone, been raiding as a moonkin for a month or two now, but only after seeing some of the WWS threads here do i realise how much i need to improve, my gear is by no means BiS, which i am working on, and i sometimes suffer during fights being a RL and shouting instructions, monitoring boss abiltiy timers etc, (awful excuse i know). Anyway, here is my patchy WWS for our run tonight; Wow Web Stats as far as i can tell my MF uptime is 92 ish % and quite irritatingly i managed to lag myself into a wrong eclipse proc. can anyone see anything glaringly obviously wrong that i have missed or am i looking at a case of upgrades needed? many thanks in advance.

edit: also checking wrathcalc, the +20% starfall dmg glyph isnt in the list to compare dps, i assume that's cos it is absolute tosh and i should ditch it for IS glyph ASAP?

 

Bela

Thank you! It does seem like the core of the issue was not mashing the buttons fast enough, even with Quartz. I have not yet had a chance to try it out in an actual raid, but on the Target Dummies I was able to show marked improvement. With no buffs but my own I was able to go from 2500dps to being able to sustain an average of 3100 dps until OOM; and once got to 3300 sustained. WrathCalcs shows my optimum DPS unbuffed at 3400. I became more comfortable with the button mashing and was able to keep IS up a bit more.

I took your advice and swapped the gems, still waiting on the belt buckle from the bank. I also swapped gear to have more haste. My raid lead was impressed with what he saw on the target dummies and is going to try to fit me into Naxx again this week, so I'll be able to show a WWS/WMO from a 25-man again. (I usually heal, so I don't have many raids to compare to)

I have more questions but I am not sure if they are appropriate in this thread:
When should I be looking to refresh IS on the CD? At the beginning when I cast MF or towards the end when I am about to rotate back to wrath for the proc? I am currently refreshing it towards the end of the CD along with refreshing MF if it is down.

One thing I am still noticing is that I can have loooong dry spells with no Lunar eclipse proc off the wrath, and I have to refresh DoTs (sometimes twice) before getting the proc. Is this a result of not having the extra crit buffs from my raid or is this normal RNG? Or should I be looking to increase my crit?

 

Erdluf

Eclipse CD is 15s. IS duration is 14s. Cast IS when entering CD, and again the next time it falls off (shortly before or after the end of the CD).

Long strings of Wrath to proc Eclipse is largely lack of raid buffs. 60% chance that a crit procs Eclipse, crit rate 15%, it will take 11 wraths, on average, to get a proc. Change that crit rate to 30% (raid buffs), and it only takes five or six wraths, on average. RNG can make either of those numbers worse (or better).

 

Marauding Master

Well, I managed to break 5k DPS on our last Immortal try. I think I could still be higher though. I think my problem is somewhere with IS usage, which is suboptimal. I just don't know how to improve it. I didn't use a potion of speed though(Honestly don't know when to do it either, I guess during the Eclipse iCD) and my Treants weren't timed to Heroism.

Here's a link: Wow Web Stats - Patchwerk.