Moonkin WWS Thread - Page 17

klüger · 03/28/09, 1:05 PM

Originally Posted by Celdhyrean

Patchwerk 5500 dps, 3m20 fight : Wow Web Stats
No BM hunter or ret paladin for the 3% buff, the rest was covered.
Mostly BiS gear, only missing IoDS, Pennant Cloack and KT ring.

Percent casting 0,911626868
Average latency 0,160976187
IS Uptime 0,736318408
MF Uptime 0,731343284

Wasn't optimal on treants + heroism (cast too early, so they only had 12s heroism) and failed on the timing at which to use speed potion (was spamming Eclipse'd SF and potion at the same time and spell queuing seems to take priority on using items).

Comparing yours with mine: WoW Meter Online - Combatlog Replay in Engrish

And your gear with mine, you should be able to improve that quite a bit (rng dependant ofc)
I'll be back later, but your armory shows you @ 170 hit rating. That cant possibly be correct can it?

Your IS doing more dmg then MF tells me you are doing something wrong.

Boevis · 03/28/09, 5:05 PM

http://www.wowmeteronline.com/combat/2589316

I finally got my moonkin to break their habit of putting up IFF when there's spriests and a feral druid in the raid. They're both pretty far from BiS but I still think they could be doing better.

Could I get a link page 1 somewhere of that %cast time/uptime sheet, or whatever it is?

Celdhyrean · 03/28/09, 5:24 PM

I'm using 2 IS per cycles against only 1 MF at the moment. Since IS and MF have the same base damage, MF is longer but casting IS more often results in equivalent uptime and thus equivalent damage.

In terms of errors, i have 2 wasted Eclipse GCD's (1 for trees and one for IS, where i should have seen the Eclipse proc and decided to not cast them), and forgot to refresh IS at the end of one Eclipse. That and being stupid on tree's vs heroism timing and not managing to drink the speed potion until 5s left on that Eclipse proc.
Also, your fight is 1min shorter, that's going to make comparisons difficult.

Edit : there's a link for the wwscalc sheet on page1 of this thread, search for Adorielle's posts.

klüger · 03/29/09, 5:51 AM

Originally Posted by Celdhyrean

I'm using 2 IS per cycles against only 1 MF at the moment. Since IS and MF have the same base damage, MF is longer but casting IS more often results in equivalent uptime and thus equivalent damage.

Edit : there's a link for the wwscalc sheet on page1 of this thread, search for Adorielle's posts.

True, the one minute time difference means direct comparison is hard, one thing though (correct me if im wrong):

Mf does more dmg then IS pr tick and lasts longer, this means you spend less time casting it and it does more dmg then IS. (Which means you should prioritize it over IS)

Celdhyrean · 03/29/09, 6:08 AM

Originally Posted by klüger

Mf does more dmg then IS pr tick and lasts longer, this means you spend less time casting it and it does more dmg then IS. (Which means you should prioritize it over IS)

IS's timing makes it easier to keep up longer because it fits in nicely both at the end of Eclipse proc and at the end of the Eclipse ICD. Whereas for MF you'll probably only be able to use it once per cycle in most cases (ie except when it takes a long time to proc Eclipse).
There was a debate on clipping MF or not to keep it up permanently, and wether to use MF only once at a specific part in the cycle or to try to refresh it as soon as possible (except during Eclipse), the problem with that is that while it might result in one more MF cast over the fight, you also risk losing some damage to MF's uptime being lower during the Eclipse (if you have iIS).
I don't think there's been anything completely conclusive on that matter yet, i've been trying both at times without much difference.

Thermomenes · 03/29/09, 1:32 PM

WWS Patchwerk-5708

I am getting a bit frustrated that I can't break 5.8k or even 6k. Any advice is appreciated.

Notes- I did not have Torch of Holy Fire on this attempt. I was using Wraith Strike.

WWSCalcs shows the following:

	DoT	Miss	Hit	Crit	Total	Time	
SF		0	14	41	55	165	
W		0	10	13	23	34.5	
MF	44	0	3	5	8	12	
IS	59	0	9		9	13.5	
Fall			1		1	1.5	
Trees		1		1	1.5	
Total				59	97	228	
Fight Length	164	        	Subtract NG	198.5	
Haste Rating	459	        	With Haste	156.314362	
WoA	TRUE				With Lust	144.314362	
CF	3				Add Latency	146.254362	
iMkA	3				Percent casting	0.89179489	
Lust	TRUE				Average latency	0.202944722	
Spider	0		        	IS Uptime	0.719512195	
					MF Uptime	0.804878049

Maghun · 03/31/09, 12:08 AM

Hey,

I'm looking for any suggestions to improve my dps, I am still missing alot of BiS items since I haven't been 80 long however here is last weeks naxx25 patchwork WoW Meter Online - Combatlog Replay in Engrish .

Illudoran · 03/31/09, 5:25 AM

Hey,

after comparing some wws/wow meters with one of my own (Wow Web Stats, Patchwerk), I noticed my avg starfire dmg being really low.

I´m sure of using rank 10 of starfire and having a correct specc (2 points in intensity because of mana issues with sartharion 3d nonheroic), I also used flask of frostwyrm and +46 spelldmg bufffood. An elemental shaman was in the raid.

Compared to the combatlog of Maghun (WoW Meter Online) my avg starfire dmg is about 400 lower although we should reach about the same amount of spelldmg.

According to wrath calcs v1.3.1 my average starfire dmg should be about 5,8k.

I have any clue what I´m doing wrong and hopefully someone in this forum is able to help me.
Any further advice would be appreciated.

PS: I´m not an native speaker so hopefully everything is understandable.

Humbaba · 03/31/09, 10:15 AM

As a starting point, you're using a Wrath idol.

Cheatra · 03/31/09, 10:31 AM

Originally Posted by Illudoran

Hey,

after comparing some wws/wow meters with one of my own (Wow Web Stats, Patchwerk), I noticed my avg starfire dmg being really low.

I´m sure of using rank 10 of starfire and having a correct specc (2 points in intensity because of mana issues with sartharion 3d nonheroic), I also used flask of frostwyrm and +46 spelldmg bufffood. An elemental shaman was in the raid.

Compared to the combatlog of Maghun (WoW Meter Online) my avg starfire dmg is about 400 lower although we should reach about the same amount of spelldmg.

According to wrath calcs v1.3.1 my average starfire dmg should be about 5,8k.

I have any clue what I´m doing wrong and hopefully someone in this forum is able to help me.
Any further advice would be appreciated.

PS: I´m not an native speaker so hopefully everything is understandable.

As Humbaba already mentioned, most of that difference in average starfire damage is likely due to the [Idol of the Shooting Star].

Illudoran · 03/31/09, 11:29 AM

Originally Posted by Humbaba

As a starting point, you're using a Wrath idol.

Thank you for your answers.
Until I read the combatlog of Maghun I thougt aswell my low average starfire dmg is because of the missing idol, but according to the arsenal Maghuns char Boomthis is using the wrath idol too.
I´m well aware of the importance of the starfire idol, I was just unlucky with drops.

• Adoriele · 03/31/09, 11:45 AM

Originally Posted by Illudoran

Thank you for your answers.
Until I read the combatlog of Maghun I thougt aswell my low average starfire dmg is because of the missing idol, but according to the arsenal Maghuns char Boomthis is using the wrath idol too.
I´m well aware of the importance of the starfire idol, I was just unlucky with drops.

Obviously you didn't check the right armory. If you look at mine, you'll see that the only way to do the best DPS is with [Idol of Lush Moss].

Maghun · 04/01/09, 3:49 AM

Hey,

I am looking for feedback on my wws report, I know my gear lacks alot of BiS items but I believe my spec will deliver the best dps based on what I have read in the moonkin raiding guide and moonkin guide for dummies posts.

My current rotation is IS -> MF -> wrath until eclipse -> starfire until eclipse cooldown -> IS -> starfire until about 6 secs on eclipse CD -> MF -> 1 starfire -> then wrath spam until eclipse then repeat from star eclipse.

This means MF isn't applied for about 5-8 seconds during eclipse CD, I am considering trying to keep MF up 100% except when under hero+eclipse, but this will mean reapplying it during eclipse since MF is ~10k damage while an eclipsed starfire average is about 8-9k

In this parse I also used starfall->if->mf , I am consider waiting until the first eclipse to use starfall in the future however. I believe I got my trents with close to full hero which is something I always aim for.

Here is my wws for last weeks patchwork: WoW Meter Online - Combatlog Replay in Engrish where I did 5.1k DPS.

alpiino · 04/01/09, 1:37 PM

Wow Web Stats
WoW Meter Online - Combatlog Replay in Engrish

Heres my 6674 pw parse if someone is interested to check it.

• Adoriele · 04/01/09, 1:43 PM

Originally Posted by alpiino

Wow Web Stats
WoW Meter Online - Combatlog Replay in Engrish

Heres my 6674 pw parse if someone is interested to check it.

Could you post a snapshot of your gear and talents using chardev or something similar? Fairly certain you're in BiS, but it'd be nice to show people what proper gearing looks like, so they can compare.