I don't mean this to be harsh, but the fact that you can't remember to put up IFF isn't reason enough not to have it. If you don't have a feral druid (or another moonkin) putting up FF, then you're doing a disservice to your raid, even if you have a SPriest for misery. It puts downtime in your rotation, sure, but the group benefits more than you suffer.

If noone is putting up a minor armor debuff (Faerie Fire / Wasp pet / Curse of Recklessness) then someone should start doing so. With proper addons its easy to watch FF duration even with Squark & Awe's problems tracking it, I use omniCC for a duration number.

You might like Owlkin Frenzy & thats fair game -- From a dps perspective I only see genesis as a worse talent, but for the sake of it lets look at your wws parses & see how much its giving you.

Malygos try 1: 3 procs in 254 seconds. 30seconds equals 11.81% of the fight duration. Damage boosted by 10% for 11.81& of the fight is a 1.181% damage increase. But that is incorrect as all 3 procs occured within 10seconds of eachother giving a true uptime of 20seconds = 0.787% damage increase

Malygos try 2 : 0 procs in 333 seconds. 0% damage gain
Anub'rekhan : 0 procs. 0%
Faerlina : 0 procs. 0%
Noth: 0 procs. 0%
Heigan: 0 procs. 0%
Patchwerk: 0 procs. 0%
Grobbulus: 0 procs. 0%
Gluth: 0 procs. 0%

Maexxna : 6procs, some proc refreshing ill do a rundown.
First proc (looks like its comming from spider adds) - Proc lasts 9seconds before next proc.
Second proc (again spider adds? Or perhaps web spray can proc it) - Exacly same time as Web Spray efficiently wasting 4seconds of the proc - Gain 6seconds.
Third - Lasts 7seconds before web spray hits.
Forth & fifth occur at the same time - Lasts 9seconds before web spray (& 6th proc)
6th proc - At web spray - Gain 6seconds.
37seconds of useable uptime, fight lasts 147seconds (To be fair I wont count the 12seconds of web spray time here either, so using 135 for further numbers). A 2.74% gain.

Loatheb: 5procs, all full duration. 265s fight duration. 1.887%

Razuvious: 1proc. 268s fight duration. 0.373%

Gothik: Without going into usefullness of procs you had 8procs, 70second uptime when accounting for refreshing procs. 345s fight which results in a 2.029% gain.

4h: 2 procs, 202s fight duration. 0.99% gain.

Thaddius: 1 proc, 257s fight duration. 0.389%


7 fights with no gain, it beats Brambles in 4-5 fights. Your mileage may vary, but I prefer reliable boost over randomness, atleast when the reliable boost is also better in most fights.

Both of the above quotes are in reference to calling iMF a 3 DPS gain.

I would like to see more numbers but (to my knowledge) dukes math looks correct and keep in mind that you are weighing it against moonglow, I don't remember the exact math but just to throw a number to compete with the DPS gain I believe moonglow is valued around 40mp5 vs a rather low (65%) uptime number for iMF. Once you get 80-90% uptime iMF is even larger DPS gain.

Mine was in reference to ".7-.9% DPS gain."

Typical Patchwerk:
Patchwerk : Hamlet

Moonfire does roughly 3k direct and 70k DoT. Without IMF it would have done 1.5k direct and (70*165/175)= 66k. IMF is adding (73/67.5 - 1) = 8.1% Moonfire damage. So it's actually close to the 10% you'd expect, due to the additive bump to the direct MF damage.

Someone can be less lazy and work it out properly using the MF coefficients, but you're generally looking at a 0.6% DPS gain for 2/2 IMF.

5.3k Patchwerk
Wow Web Stats
mf / is uptime: ~89% / 62%


5.1k Loatheb, no spores
Wow Web Stats
mf / is uptime: ~92% / 80%

Armory

Power Infusion/Focused Casting went to spriests =c(

I know this is a wws posting page, but i am trying to figure out a few things, yall are talking about putting out 5k+dps. And it all revolves around procing eclipse. Just wondering if there is a way to force it to proc, i can cast chains of wraths 10-20 with over half critting and never proc my eclipse. If no one minds plz explain the way this system works.

Ya main tank, but why would that have anything to do with eclipse, i can get eclipse on normal mobs by my self. Some strange mechanic that i would never understand i take it.

Correct me if I am wrong but the hit bonus from iFF does not stack with Misery, and the 3% crit only effects your spells... going off what the talent says.
Improved Faerie Fire - Spell - World of Warcraft

I have raided with every Boomkin spec under the sun and the current spec i have along with my previous spec has worked the best. But, i don't have the money to keep respeccing and this was my test spec.

Are you sure you don't have a prot warrior accidentally sundering mobs for you while you do your dailies?

This is correct.

So, the 3% crit is the only reason i am being told to put points into iFF?

In a 25man raid there should in pretty much all cases be a Faerie Fire on the bosses, this means that IFF is 3% crit -- Which makes it a good enough talent to take pretty in pretty much all situations I can come up with.

4488 dps @ Patchwerk last night.

Had to innervate an Arcane mage in middle of my Eclipse :/

68% MF up, 36% IS. What a shame.

Also, I am the only Moonkin on my realm without [Idol of the Shooting Star]. I am doing 25man Naxx since Nov on all but one cooldown -- in that one, Idol dropped for the resto druid. I hate RNG.

And I was fighting with a healer offhand ([Urn of Lost Memories]) before getting [Matriarch's Spawn]. Did I said I hate RNG!?

80 moonkin spec hear many differant spec an rotations what do you recomend,,,, I was told refire then starfire X3 insec swarm the recycle all over again,,,, please help my dps is the lowest in the raid group Please help

tindood

5 719 DPS @ Patchwerk Last Night 3 Minute Fight (2 People died at start to tank not getting topped)

Wow Web Stats

Armory:
The World of Warcraft Armory

No PI or anything. 400 - 500 MS Average.

@Hquest -> Your dot uptime is terrible & if you know that its your duty to IV an arcane mage then plan accordingly & use it at a proper time in your cycle. Anyway if you wanna do proper dps then I suggest working on your dot uptime first, your gear is plenty to break 5k dps.

@Tindood -> Happy reading, you didnt ask anything a 5minute search wouldnt be able to answer.

@Falauris -> Your raidleader should look into how hateful strike works (& have allways worked) - The two people that died did something stupid, simple as. Either entering melee range too soon or overaggroing any of the 3 tanks (ill put my money on the first).

It was over aggroing and the DK Tank Nograine played to defensive.

Edit Ps. WTB Your Gear

I am aware it was an awful night for me, forgot to mention I was playing with 4fps (!!!). I had not popped my potion of speed and the innervate at that stupid timing was more a bark over vent than a proper formal request. On previous week, I was only below other 3 mages, with over expected 5k (5.2k IIRC). So yeah, I am still happy I could got 4.4k dps last night.

Anyway, thanks for your inputs. Think I am in the right way.

Edit: Hmmm, no, I did not broke 5k dps last week, still got 4.886, but I was 4th on a quite longer fight. Patch feb 10.

@Hquest -> Id look at utilizing treants more aswell --- Your two parses show 19.4k & 28.6k damage from 1 cast, even without brambles this seems low. In both parses your treants are only listed as fighting for 15-16 seconds.

To compare my last Patchwerk I had treants doing 59.5k damage - Thats with brambles, timed for heroism & a battle shout though. But the main difference comes from my treants dpsing for 30seconds -- Are you casting them just before the boss dies, not near melee range or whats up? Seems strange anyway.

Gah treants.. in my opinion the toughest aspect of a moonkin's life. You have to coordinate them with bl, shouts and any sorts of aoe damage for them to really shine. Requires you to really know every encounter down to the last bit.

While i usually fail at utilising them to their fullest, i'm glad they are the way they are. Those with more salt in their heads will use them wisely and get higher numbers than scrubs who might learn the rotation well enough but not much else.
I actually with there were more tools to separate more knowledgeable and able players (and i'm not saying i am) from those less so.

Hquests treants look like they got 25s in (47'33 to 47'58) on Patchwork. His normal hits were 581, yours (your post on top of page 2) were 750. That is about a 29% difference. Your IS averaged 1% more than his, so average spellpower numbers were close. It seems likely that you have Brambles and he doesn't (15%). Your treant's got Abominable Might (10% AP) and his didn't.

Both WWS show Sunder Armor. Neither shows FF (or any other minor armor debuff) as far as I can tell.

5.3k Patchwerk kill

Is there anything I can do to squeeze out a bit more dps? I know timing treants for BL would help for sure though.

Armory is here

6k Patchwerk 2'45 Wow Web Stats
MF / IS Uptime - 85% / 68%

I made a few mistakes but overall decent.