Has anyone been able to play with the new Eclipse on the PTR? I'm guessing the changes to Wrath, granting another +10% bonus damage, will just help close the gap if we screw up our Lunar Eclipse, and proc Solar instead.
Just did patch this week with my new trinket. Sooo close to 6k dps. Next week, now that I have my Torch of Holy Fire I dont see why I wouldnt be able to break it. Wow Web Stats
Actually thats about right. Look at wrath crit. 53%. I only use starfire when eclipse is up/on internal CD. So due to the 30% increase in crit while proced thats about average. I'll be doing naxx again tomarrow so I'll repost my WWS if I break 6k.
Actually thats about right. Look at wrath crit. 53%. I only use starfire when eclipse is up/on internal CD. So due to the 30% increase in crit while proced thats about average. I'll be doing naxx again tomarrow so I'll repost my WWS if I break 6k.
No, that's pretty lucky unless you're sporting 65% crit without Eclipse up. Which, judging by your armory, you're not.
@Orodreth, as it has been pointed out that high crit is rather lucky, but lets take a quick look at your WWS and see a few things.
1. Try using a speed pot next time, instead of Wild Magic
2. If we Browse the log file with this filter "unit="orodreth" and (spell="starfire" or all="eclipse")" it shows your 6 eclipse procs and your Starfire spam, so if Eclipse lasts 15 seconds we can see how many Starfires you are getting in during each proc.
Proc 1 - 6 (1st hit 4 seconds after proc)
Proc 2 - 7 (1st hit 6 seconds after proc)
Proc 3 - 6 (1st hit 5 seconds after proc)
Proc 4 - 5 (1st hit 5 seconds after proc)
Proc 5 - 6 (1st hit 4 seconds after proc)
Proc 6 - 5 (1st hit 5 seconds after proc) - Patchwerk died before this eclipse faded
So, not bad eclipse management but there could be some improvement on your switching time, also if we take a closer look at Proc #2, you got 7 Starfires in, but had the longest delay in switching after eclipse proc'd. If you check the log you see you had heroism during this proc which accounts for the higher number of Starfires landing during this time.
Your moonfire uptime appears to be around 80% which would mean a DPS increase if you got that up a little, and your fight lasted over 3 which mean the CD on treants/Starfall would be up if you used them at the start, granted your time was barely over 3 minutes so it may still be better using them during heroism, but if you star constantly seeing 3min times using them twice is better.
Edit: Also it seems that you let your Illustration of the dragon soul ramp up during the fight, would it be possible for you to pre-charge it and drink while ooc so you start the fight with the 200 spellpower?
No, that's pretty lucky unless you're sporting 65% crit without Eclipse up. Which, judging by your armory, you're not.
Well lets do the math. 80% crit is very possible sence if you take into consideration armory lists your crit out of boomkin form. So 18% from gear, 5% set bonus, 11% crit from talents (IFF, Moonkin form, and ISS), 15% from eclipse, 10% from imporved scorch, 3% from focus magic, and another 3% from totem of wrath. That adds up to 65% crit with no buffs yet from AI and kings, so after that around a 68% chance to crit. Yes it is a 12% higher then what I should have but thats just RNG.
Edit: Haven't been on here for a while but i just realized I have eclipse listed as only 15% crit but in reality its a 30% crit.
So if I redo the math on that its 18+5+11+30+10+3+3=80. So after recalculating my math 80% crith with my starfire is about where it should be. Not really RNG at all.
@Orodreth, as it has been pointed out that high crit is rather lucky, but lets take a quick look at your WWS and see a few things.
1. Try using a speed pot next time, instead of Wild Magic
2. If we Browse the log file with this filter "unit="orodreth" and (spell="starfire" or all="eclipse")" it shows your 6 eclipse procs and your Starfire spam, so if Eclipse lasts 15 seconds we can see how many Starfires you are getting in during each proc.
Proc 1 - 6 (1st hit 4 seconds after proc)
Proc 2 - 7 (1st hit 6 seconds after proc)
Proc 3 - 6 (1st hit 5 seconds after proc)
Proc 4 - 5 (1st hit 5 seconds after proc)
Proc 5 - 6 (1st hit 4 seconds after proc)
Proc 6 - 5 (1st hit 5 seconds after proc) - Patchwerk died before this eclipse faded
So, not bad eclipse management but there could be some improvement on your switching time, also if we take a closer look at Proc #2, you got 7 Starfires in, but had the longest delay in switching after eclipse proc'd. If you check the log you see you had heroism during this proc which accounts for the higher number of Starfires landing during this time.
Your moonfire uptime appears to be around 80% which would mean a DPS increase if you got that up a little, and your fight lasted over 3 which mean the CD on treants/Starfall would be up if you used them at the start, granted your time was barely over 3 minutes so it may still be better using them during heroism, but if you star constantly seeing 3min times using them twice is better.
Edit: Also it seems that you let your Illustration of the dragon soul ramp up during the fight, would it be possible for you to pre-charge it and drink while ooc so you start the fight with the 200 spellpower?
Already thought about the 200 spells from my trinket at the start and will be doing that this week for sure. I also let moonfire drop off during eclipse proc and put it back up right after. And yes 3 minuntes is lower then our average fight because we brought some ppls alts instead of mains, so I usually just have time for trees once. Thanks for the tip about haste pot though, ill definetly try that this week. From what I have seen on WWS and wowmeteronline.com there arent many boomkins breaking these numbers so I dont feel like I am doing all that bad.
Originally Posted by Adoriele
12% higher crit is indeed RNG. And, for most people, winning the RNG is considered "lucky".
True story. I am usually around 75% crit with starfire on patch to be honest.
I've been reading through this thread and viewing others' WWS threads, and I THINK mine is pretty standard, but of course, there could be something obvious I'm missing. I'm sitting just below 82% for moonfire uptime, used a speed pot during heroism, treants at the start (got almost all of heroism I think). 2'53" kill, 5150 dps. Is there anything standard that I'm missing? WoW Web Stats
Despite reading the other posts in the thread, I'm still unsure if there's more WWS can do for me in terms of analyzing stats, or if I'm getting everything out of it that there is to be gotten.
Thanks.
Edited to say: it looks like I'm switching to starfire about 3.8 seconds after eclipse procs. Is this on the slower side of average, or is this par for the course considering human error and latency? Any tips for improving it?
Did that last night. The attempt was incredibly laggy, I didn't use treants at all out of a possible 2 times, and I only used starfall once out of a possible 3 times. I can't come anywhere close to replicating these numbers on live, even on 2 1/2 minute PW.
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This is my wife's moonkin on our latest Patchwerk kill. She does not yet have full BIS gear, nor does she use the Moonfire glyph as she PvP's a lot and doesn't want to spend time and money reglyphing constantly.
Did that last night. The attempt was incredibly laggy, I didn't use treants at all out of a possible 2 times, and I only used starfall once out of a possible 3 times. I can't come anywhere close to replicating these numbers on live, even on 2 1/2 minute PW.
106 Nature's Grace procs with 3 seconds proc time = 318 seconds of procs or over 5 minutes worth of proc uptime, granted there could have been strings of crits where it neve lasted the full 3 seconds, and other dry spells where you went over 3 seconds without a crit, but it still is looking like we could see 100% uptime as it is now.
First post, eep! Quick background: It's quite rare our guild gets a decent complement of caster buffs, so when we had a fire mage and an elemental shammy tonight I was looking forward to what numbers I'd come up with.
Around 1k DPS higher than I've ever done previously, despite the long fight length. Still some leaks in my play though. My thoughts:
Worst leak in my play is occasionally gambling on Eclipse by casting SF as soon as I see a NG proc off a wrath. This resulted in a /facepalm worthy Wrath eclipse during Heroism = clip city. I went for the Wraths anyway but am wondering in hindsight whether SF spam is better during Heroism.
I'd estimate my crit as being around the 45% mark meaning I'm getting somewhere in the region of 10-15% crit above expectation on SF, so pretty lucky RNG.
Timing of treants was probably one of the best I've ever managed.
85% MF uptime seems decent, could be improved. Not too fussed about analysing IS uptime. You will see the odd Wrath while Eclipse is on cooldown; this is, I believe, optimal play where a SF has just landed and MF has around a second or less remaining. Sorry if this is stating the obvious, but this particular nuance of the rotation is not something I have (yet) specifically researched.
I'm currently testing the Extract of Necromantic Power; I'm in favour of equipping a crit trinket in addition to the Illustration due to our usual lack of a decent set of caster buffs. However despite having 11 passive crit over the Sundial of the Exiled, based on the lame numbers the proc on the Extract seems to be putting out, I'm thinking of going back to the Sundial.
I was keeping IFF up for the duration of the fight.
And sidenote: yes, we had *far* too many healers, we had to struggle to make up the numbers tonight.
So as someone who still considers himself a little inexperienced with this great spec, I have one major concern with my play but am overall fairly happy with the results. I'd appreciate some more experienced insight anyone would be able to provide.
Hey, I have been read these forums for a long time and now have to post my Stats because I'm doing low damage and don't know why.
I would be very happy for some tips, my rotation is the standard Wrath-Eclipse-SF rotation with MF/partial IS up.
I am actually not getting above the 4.5k though not using IFF and just concentrating on doing damage.
We are using WMO, so if yours is in Japanese use the language selection in the upper right corner.
Ok, I've been reading this thread and i have some MAJOR DPS concerns.
Seeing people in the same gear or worse doing almost 800 more dps then i am.So, hopefully you guys can help me out
Ok, I've been reading this thread and i have some MAJOR DPS concerns.
Seeing people in the same gear or worse doing almost 800 more dps then i am.So, hopefully you guys can help me out
In that raid i was flasked + food, No Ret Paladin in the raid.
Please help =/
You're currently feral, so I really can't comment on your spec, but I noticed that you didn't use Starfall. Do you have it? It's rather nice, even on single target AoE, as it proc's Nature's Grace.
Hey, I have been read these forums for a long time and now have to post my Stats because I'm doing low damage and don't know why.
I would be very happy for some tips, my rotation is the standard Wrath-Eclipse-SF rotation with MF/partial IS up.
I am actually not getting above the 4.5k though not using IFF and just concentrating on doing damage.
We are using WMO, so if yours is in Japanese use the language selection in the upper right corner.
You're currently feral, so I really can't comment on your spec, but I noticed that you didn't use Starfall. Do you have it? It's rather nice, even on single target AoE, as it proc's Nature's Grace.
Well, this is the last Patchwork fight I did. WWS
I didn't have the Idol of Shooting Star, it dropped later that evening. I think my Dps should be higher, but I can't see what I'm doing wrong. My Rotation is IS-MF-W till Eclipse - Starfire. I was flasked and had food, but our Retripala wasn't there this evening.
I have some problems with frame rate (<20), but I don't think thats the only problem. Some tips would be really nice, because I think I'm missing something important.
5 Eclipses, 5 Moonfires, 40 ticks, 120/153 = 78% uptime. Moonfire refreshed right as each Eclipse fades. I was slightly unlucky with Starfire crits, but the very high Starfire total damage and total cast time percentages seem to be the key here.
Your crit damage looks rather low for some reason.
You also missed 2% of the time on Starfire, but armory shows you as hitcapped.
Silly question, but are you sure you weren't running with some broken gear?
I see a shadow priest in that fight, so even without IFF, you should have had full hit percentage.
You're not talented into IFF, so you're losing 3% crit that would be given when your feral druid puts up faerie fire.
I was also wondering about the miss, but it was only 1 SF... I'm relatively sure my gear wasn't broken because I'm not doing any more dps any other time...
But you just informed me that the 3% crit of IFF are also on ferals' FF =O But also if I were critting 3% more, that wouldn't be ~1k DPS...
My first post on these forums, but I thought I just might contribute with a WWS parse of a Patchwerk kill we did yesterday.
I guess I can /bow to RNG for that one, because the crit percentage is a tad too high, even with very high eclipse uptime (Lucky wraths). No ToT, PI, wild magic instead of haste potion. I also would get slightly better gear if I got the malygos pants, and embrace of the spider.
2mins and 30 seconds long fight.
03/10/09, 3:39 AM
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