Here's a nice parse I got of a 1-Moonfire rotation: Wow Web Stats
No Speed Pot, no Focus Magic.
5 Eclipses, 5 Moonfires, 40 ticks, 120/153 = 78% uptime. Moonfire refreshed right as each Eclipse fades. I was slightly unlucky with Starfire crits, but the very high Starfire total damage and total cast time percentages seem to be the key here.
You might have been unlucky with starfire, but you seem to have been very lucky with wrath? Only 5 hits with wrath is very low. Not sure if that evens things out a bit, but probably worth noting. Also your trees didn't get a lot of buffs from the raid it seems.
Comparing it to my latest WWS - 5842 DPS. I had better luck on SF crits. Important numbers: Casting: 94%, IS: 65%, MF: 63%. Spent a GCD innervating an arcane mage, and got a wrong proc right at the end, but he died seconds after so not really important. The difference in treant damage seems significant though, mine did almost double the damage yours did.
As an example from your WWS: Click on Insect Swarm, then click on Browse Log File to get WWS.
If there were other Moonkin, you'd want to change the filter to
spell="insect swarm" and all=YourName
You clipped one tick of IS, with a refresh that was about 0.3s too early.
For Moonfire, you can do the same thing (the log is uglier, with SF Glyph refreshes), or just look at the character summary. You had 2 normal MF hits, 2 crits, and 30 dots. With SF Glyph and Nature's Splendor you can get up to 8 dots per cast, so you lost two somewhere. That could be clipping, failure to cast SF, or target death (or dispel/immunity).
It looks like you clipped one tick of your first Moonfire. It looks like your second Moonfire had one tick just disappear. The log shows two Moonfire "Refresh" messages just before your second Moonfire landed. Only the first two SF after that show additional Refresh messages. Possibly a bug on Blizz's part.
You might have been unlucky with starfire, but you seem to have been very lucky with wrath? Only 5 hits with wrath is very low. Not sure if that evens things out a bit, but probably worth noting. Also your trees didn't get a lot of buffs from the raid it seems.
Comparing it to my latest WWS - 5842 DPS. I had better luck on SF crits. Important numbers: Casting: 94%, IS: 65%, MF: 63%. Spent a GCD innervating an arcane mage, and got a wrong proc right at the end, but he died seconds after so not really important. The difference in treant damage seems significant though, mine did almost double the damage yours did.
Is there any way to find out about clipping dots?
You're right about Wrath; the rotations went cleanly. That's still my top DPS at 5600 in a 2:30 fight though, and I'm wondering how much of it is just that I have to wait until I have a better day for SF crits.
Your parse and bunch of the other posted recently seem to support my anecdotal notion that high Starfire usage is a marker of a good rotation. Lots of the top parses have DoT uptimes fading in lieu of 70%+ Starfire damage.
I know about the Treants, I'll have to try again to get more buffs. My raid group is kind of reticent about these things; most times I consider myself lucky if I can get the Bloodlust. What other important ones should I be looking for? Battle Shout?
e: where's the widget you guys are using to compute the cast time % (and the precise definition of what that means)?
As far as i know it's WWScalcs that is used to calculate the casttime. What it calculates is how much time you spend casting. So if your % time spend casting is low then it means you aren't starting your new casts fast enough.
As far as i know it's WWScalcs that is used to calculate the casttime. What it calculates is how much time you spend casting. So if your % time spend casting is low then it means you aren't starting your new casts fast enough.
I'm not sure what a normal percent casting is though on a fight like patchwerk with 0 movement.
Anything above 90% is doing well. Under 80% should probably be investigated. Don't think I've ever seen someone go over say 96%.
[edit] % casting is my best guess at how much time you're casting over how long the fight lasts. I make allowances for Lust and Spider procs, and you should enter your talents, haste from gear, and whether you had WoA active. It's not gonna be perfect, since it averages the lust and spiders out, but it's pretty close, I think. It also puts out average latency, which is the amount of time you weren't casting divided by the number of actions you performed.
I wonder, if someone tried to measure effectiveness of Eclipse uptime usage?
For example, Eclipse was procced from Wrath, you have 15 sec to cast SF, without taking in account NG procs and haste it can be cast 5 times maximum. So ( SFused/5 )*100% will be effectiveness of 1 Eclipse session.
It would be interesting to see some real numbers from Naxx clear: Boss name, number of Eclipses, count of eclipsed spells casted per boss and your average latency and haste rating.
I double potted: once right before the pull and another during heroism. I accidentally used a wild magic instead of a speed so I think my DPS could've been higher. WWSCalcs shows a % casting of 89%, MF Uptiime of 80% and IS Uptime of 38%. I only refresh IS during ICD and when I'm trying to proc a lunar eclipse.
Is it possible that I might be doing something wrong or am I just trying to win the RNG battle to move into the 5.5k or even 6k dps range?
Last edited by polocabbit : 03/18/09 at 6:28 AM.
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3.5k DPS. I feel that I must be doing something wrong. I don't feel like I'm geared incorrectly. The only upgrades I made since that fight is about 10 sp and 40 haste (and I was hit capped), otherwise my armory is the same. I'm running Frost Wyrm + Salmon buffs.
It says my casting percentage is low in WWSCalc, if I'm reading it right. But I'm having a hard time figuring out where. I feel like I'm casting constantly, spamming keys to make sure I'm hitting the queue and making up for client lag. We don't call out Bloodlust normally, but I don't believe we even had a shaman on that attempt, so it would be moot, but I know that it can matter a lot for Tree damage.
I'm certainly trying to make sure I'm doing my best for Ulduar, and I'm not terribly behind the rest of my guild, but I feel like I could and should be doing better. Am I wrong? Am I expecting too much? Or am I simply failing? At this point, I'm a half steps from just FRAPSing my next PW for public display.
Posting for the first time in here, but been reading this forums for the last ~2 years. Excuse my bad english since its not my primary language.
Hope somebody can help with my WWS and my DPS, here are two reports with ~1 month difference, through that time I been getting 2 or 3 upgrades at most, and yet doesnt seem to increase my DPS, I also got a better computer so instead of raiding with 5-8 FPS I now raid with 30ish.
The only buffs I think I'm missing are Totem of Wrath and Divine Spirit, other than that I think I got the same buffs, the exact same active presence, the damage from my skills are almost the same, and yet I lost 279 DPS. I use the IS-MF-Wrath til eclipse procs then Starfire until eclipse CD comes off ICD, only refreshing dots while ICD is up. I also put iFF always since we dont have a feral. Also the spec I currently have is for OS 3D, since we missed a lot AoE.
I know this is not the optimal DPS spec, but that was the spec I used for the last month WWS, reason for Intensity is that somehow I seem to run low on mana on long fights like KT or OS 3D, and I was planning to change IIS for CF.
Anyway, hope somebody can help me, thanks in advance guys.
3.5k DPS. I feel that I must be doing something wrong. I don't feel like I'm geared incorrectly. The only upgrades I made since that fight is about 10 sp and 40 haste (and I was hit capped), otherwise my armory is the same. I'm running Frost Wyrm + Salmon buffs.
It says my casting percentage is low in WWSCalc, if I'm reading it right. But I'm having a hard time figuring out where. I feel like I'm casting constantly, spamming keys to make sure I'm hitting the queue and making up for client lag. We don't call out Bloodlust normally, but I don't believe we even had a shaman on that attempt, so it would be moot, but I know that it can matter a lot for Tree damage.
I'm certainly trying to make sure I'm doing my best for Ulduar, and I'm not terribly behind the rest of my guild, but I feel like I could and should be doing better. Am I wrong? Am I expecting too much? Or am I simply failing? At this point, I'm a half steps from just FRAPSing my next PW for public display.
You've got 96% casting time, that's not anywhere close to low. Your main problems are going to be your gear, as you've got tons of upgrades left to get. Seriously, people, if you're not in mostly-BiS gear, you're not going to get 5k parses. It's not going to happen. If you have anything from Heroics, or 10-mans (excepting the boots off of Maly, and perhaps Embrace), or blues, stop trying to compare yourselves to people who have full BiS gear. You're going to be VERY disappointed.
Personal performance is going to mostly go by your %casting. If that's above 90%, and you're running Lunar Eclipse, SF during ICD, you're not doing anything wrong. Look elsewhere for places to improve your DPS, such as your gear, your spec, or your raid buffs.
I double potted: once right before the pull and another during heroism. I accidentally used a wild magic instead of a speed so I think my DPS could've been higher. WWSCalcs shows a % casting of 89%, MF Uptiime of 80% and IS Uptime of 38%. I only refresh IS during ICD and when I'm trying to proc a lunar eclipse.
Is it possible that I might be doing something wrong or am I just trying to win the RNG battle to move into the 5.5k or even 6k dps range?
52% starfire crit kills you. The guys running 5500+ are getting 67% to 77%. It looks to me like you're right in line other than the minor RNG fuckery.
You might have been unlucky with starfire, but you seem to have been very lucky with wrath? Only 5 hits with wrath is very low. Not sure if that evens things out a bit, but probably worth noting. Also your trees didn't get a lot of buffs from the raid it seems.
Comparing it to my latest WWS - 5842 DPS. I had better luck on SF crits. Important numbers: Casting: 94%, IS: 65%, MF: 63%. Spent a GCD innervating an arcane mage, and got a wrong proc right at the end, but he died seconds after so not really important. The difference in treant damage seems significant though, mine did almost double the damage yours did.
Is there any way to find out about clipping dots?
Ninor,
I'm a bit puzzled by your parse on Patchwerk. It seems you switched to SF spam through Lust, which is normal, but after Lust faded you continued to SF spam straight through several eclipses. You procced W eclipse many times with your SF crits as a result yet maintained a 70%+ crit average on SF. The end result seems more like a rare RNG event than as a result from a clean rotation. Can you clarify your rotation for us?
On another note, I have been under the impression that the best rotation is W to eclipse, SF till end of eclipse proc, W through the CD till next proc. Is there evidence that W to proc, SF till end AND through CD, W again to proc is a better rotation? I must admit, my best parse that I have record of is 5696. ~200 dps under Ninor's posted. Comparatively, I had Focus Magic and used a Speed Pot whereas Ninor had neither. But Ninor did have Starfall. DPS uptime was almost the same with me having 2:20 and him having 2:22.
Last edited by Thermomenes : 03/18/09 at 11:48 PM.
Reason: Buff breakdown
I'm a bit puzzled by your parse on Patchwerk. It seems you switched to SF spam through Lust, which is normal, but after Lust faded you continued to SF spam straight through several eclipses. You procced W eclipse many times with your SF crits as a result yet maintained a 70%+ crit average on SF. The end result seems more like a rare RNG event than as a result from a clean rotation. Can you clarify your rotation for us?
The rotation is pretty much the same as Hamlet, a 1 MF / 2 IS rotation, use wrath to proc eclipse.
I'm not sure what you are looking at, but bloodlust faded probably 5 to 10 seconds before Patchwerk died. I did proc an eclipse with starfire after that, but that was just a few seconds before death. Actually WMO shows this a lot better: WoW Meter Online - Combatlog Replay in Engrish
As you can see, uptime on the "wrong" eclipse was 00:02.
Incidentally, do anyone know why WMO have 2 different instances of Starfall?
e: Checked the Bloodlust time, and it's fairly perfect actually.
The rotation is pretty much the same as Hamlet, a 1 MF / 2 IS rotation, use wrath to proc eclipse.
I'm not sure what you are looking at, but bloodlust faded probably 5 to 10 seconds before Patchwerk died. I did proc an eclipse with starfire after that, but that was just a few seconds before death. Actually WMO shows this a lot better: WoW Meter Online - Combatlog Replay in Engrish
As you can see, uptime on the "wrong" eclipse was 00:02.
Incidentally, do anyone know why WMO have 2 different instances of Starfall?
e: Checked the Bloodlust time, and it's fairly perfect actually.
I was trying to read through the combat log raw data WWS recorded for that fight. I thought I read it as Lust fading mid-way through the fight and then you continuing to SF spam for the last few pages. I'll assume fault and suggest I got lost in the minutia of the parse. My misinformed opinion seemed backed up by the fact your W usage was low for the fight in the summary.
This is our most recent kill, I modified my rotation to a MF/IS/Wrath(Only when eclipse is off CD)/Starfire otherwise.
I was given all raid buffs that came to mind to up my dps, and I had 2 extra buffs as well. 3% crit from our kind mage, and a power infusion earlier in the fight.
I'm not sure what to do at this point, I'm looking over parses and I'm noticing a lower IS up time this week then some other parses, but I'm sure that's because I don't cast IS when I get PI/Embrace/Heroism/Eclipse/Haste potion. So I'm fairly sure that's not too off...
And then I look at my crit and compare and it seems a bit low, my gears near optimal, a few upgrades away and I'll be all BiS. I'd think I'd do a little more dps then that though. Any tips/recommendations off this parse? I attempted to advice I was given last time I posted but my dps has dropped instead of going up versus this attempt.
This is my best known attempt, I was given a PI early in and I had no mage 3% crit. I did very well it felt, it felt like a flawless rotation no screw ups on eclipse etc... however the major difference is that I have a far higher crit chance this night. Was this luck?
this is from patchwerk. noticed that with full raid buffs and flask, i am hitting 4.4k dps.
No haste pots were used. Fight ended slightly after he frenzied.
rotation: iff, mf, w until proc then sf.
latency: between 400 to 500+ ms
cant seem to figure out why my dps is so inconsistent. sometimes i top the chart, sometimes i get to 10th or so.
i even lost to an undergeared lock guildie for patchwerk.
could it be due to latency? or am i doing something wrong?
Since you appear to know the rotation, I just plugged your numbers into WWScalcs, and it looks like you could do a little better on your MF and IS up times.
I’m basically trying to keep IFF, MF, and ISS up then wrath till eclipse proc. After the proc I refresh everything and right before the cooldown is up I try to refresh them again (Im I spending too much time clipping or something?).
Any advice would be great! Thanks in advance for any help you can offer.
My first post on these forums, but I thought I just might contribute with a WWS parse of a Patchwerk kill we did yesterday.
I guess I can /bow to RNG for that one, because the crit percentage is a tad too high, even with very high eclipse uptime (Lucky wraths). No ToT, PI, wild magic instead of haste potion. I also would get slightly better gear if I got the malygos pants, and embrace of the spider.
2mins and 30 seconds long fight.
Turns out I can't have been THAT lucky. I topped 6k on last patchwerk kill aswell, although I didn't log that. I'll log and upload the next one aswell to see if my crit suddenly will decrease.
It kinda should do according to theorycrafting.
Thats the WWS from yesterday's kill. I was running a IS > MF > W till Eclipse > IS > SF while Eclipse CD rotation. I'm still not sure if one or two MF per eclipse rotation is better and would be thankful for some advice.
One of my wrath casts missed, I don't know why, I'm hitcapped with Misery/IFF up and according to the combatlog, misery was up the whole fight. I'm wondering why, so if anybody has an idea, please tell me.
One of my wrath casts missed, I don't know why, I'm hitcapped with Misery/IFF up and according to the combatlog, misery was up the whole fight. I'm wondering why, so if anybody has an idea, please tell me.
You're not hit capped. Hit cap is 263 (if memory serves me), and you're at 247.
Hey guys. I'm not a Moonkin but I'm relatively familiar with the class. I run a guild that sticks primarily to 10man content (some of our guys have 1 or 2 25man epics from Arch or a random pug or something like that) so it's sometimes hard to know exactly where my guys should be for DPS. I know Moonkin DPS can shift dramatically depending on the RNG factors involved but I was hoping you could take a look at our moonkin (who I consider one of the better players in the guild) and tell me if there's any way he can increase his DPS.
The link is for Patchwerk. No heroism this time no mage either so its a bit of an unfriendly caster scenario (although our warlock still pulls 4k+ dps).
03/16/09, 5:37 AM
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