Druid Changes Patch 3.1 - Page 12

Cluey · 02/20/09, 7:59 AM

Originally Posted by nightcrowler

For DKs I don't think I need to explain.
For Druids, we have more stamina (and we know how much it's important, look at Sarth 3D tanking for example). But we also have more magical mitigation due to:

Savage defender
Barkskin (shield block works only on phisical damage)
Protector of the Pack (12% magical mitigation, warriors have 6%, paladins have none).

A druid takes 20%*12/60 = 4% less magical damage on average due to barkskin + 6% less damage than a warrior from PoP = 10% less magical damage than a warrior and 16% less magical damage than a paladin without counting the new savage defender. Also the magical burst are easyier to heal due to more HP (6-7K more than a similar level warrrior usually).

If you are going to make comparisons to other classes damage reduction at least take the time to have a look at what they have. The last two posters have mentioned the warrior ones.
Looking at the protection talents available for paladins I see three talents which reduce damage, Improved Righteous Fury, Shield of the Templar and Guarded by the Light.
I don't know the details of how they work together but it doesn't look too bad to me, it is certainly not none.

nightcrowler · 02/20/09, 8:20 AM

Originally Posted by Cluey

If you are going to make comparisons to other classes damage reduction at least take the time to have a look at what they have. The last two posters have mentioned the warrior ones.
Looking at the protection talents available for paladins I see three talents which reduce damage, Improved Righteous Fury, Shield of the Templar and Guarded by the Light.
I don't know the details of how they work together but it doesn't look too bad to me, it is certainly not none.

Ye. Beat me. I made a big mistake. Sorry.

nightcrowler · 02/23/09, 12:21 AM

Interesting, GC seems to say that will not be magical burst encounter to avoid favoritism with dk and druids.

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kalbear · 02/23/09, 1:36 PM

Which is ironic, since if there were bosses that hit for huge amounts of physical damage druids and DKs would be favored due to armor, not HP.

Pzychotix · 02/24/09, 1:40 AM

Patch Notes!

Whoo!

Druid (Skills List / Talent + Glyph Calc.)

* Abolish Poison: Now ticks every 3 sec, up from every 2. Now lasts 12 sec., up from 8.

Talents
Balance

* Owlkin Frenzy is now properly considered an Enrage effect. Now also does not trigger from spell hits, only physical ranged and melee attacks.

Feral

* New Talent: Primal Gore: Grants the periodic damage from your Rake, Lacerate and Rip abilities the ability to critically hit.
* Savage Roar is now considered an Enrage effect.

Restoration

* Living Seed: This talent now accounts for your ineffective healing, rather than effective.
* Improved Mark of the Wild: Now also increases all of your total attributes by 1/2%.
* New Talent: Improved Barkskin: Increases the damage reduction granted by your Barkskin spell by 5/10%, and increases your resistance to Dispel mechanics by an additional 30/60% while under the effect of Barkskin.
* Replenish: This talent is now re-named "Revitalize" and now also works with Wild Growth.
* Tree of Life: You can now use Nature's Grasp and Thorns while within this form.

From MMO-Champion - World of Warcraft Guides and Raid Strategies

Critting on DoTs seems smexy.

Mowen · 02/24/09, 1:44 AM

Considering a lot of kittys are getting close to or on 50% crit chance already, will that mean that every 1 in 2 bleed ticks will crit? If it does, then we are going to be doing a lot more damage having our bleeds up at all times.

Yeowch.

Also, I really, really hope that Blizz puts that Imp Barkskin down low enough in the resto tree for your average bear to grab it. If not, there are going to be some very pissed fuzzies around.

Odin · 02/24/09, 1:59 AM

Change not in the patch notes:
Nature's Bounty - Increases the critical effect chance of your Regrowth and Nourish spells by 5/10/15/20/25%

Tip the balance toward Nourish?

KrinKer · 02/24/09, 2:19 AM

Originally Posted by Odin

Change not in the patch notes:
Nature's Bounty - Increases the critical effect chance of your Regrowth and Nourish spells by 5/10/15/20/25%

Tip the balance toward Nourish?

Isn't that going to make Nourish a lot better than regrowht and/or Glyphed Ht ? Even without the 4t7.

So much for me liking regrowth

madar · 02/24/09, 2:24 AM

Originally Posted by Mowen

Also, I really, really hope that Blizz puts that Imp Barkskin down low enough in the resto tree for your average bear to grab it. If not, there are going to be some very pissed fuzzies around.

by an MMO-Champion talent calculator, is an 45 point required talent on restoration tree.
http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?druid=&version=9614

Zelgious · 02/24/09, 2:36 AM

Originally Posted by Pzychotix

Critting on DoTs seems smexy.

I'm curious to see how much tps this might cause, but I'm definitely excited about it overall.

kalbear · 02/24/09, 2:48 AM

TPS is going to be fairly poor; lacerate DOTs didn't cause a lot of threat to begin with, and critting on them isn't that crucial. It's only one talent point so it's probably worth it, but the actual effect of lacerate's DOT threat is going to be at best around 2-3%.

Which still makes it a great investment as a TPS talent.

However, the DPS increase is going to be on the order of 5-8%, which makes R&T an essential cat talent again.

Acearan · 02/24/09, 3:38 AM

I did a little math to see how much rake/rip would crit for.

Asuming Mangle and Savage roar are up
7055 AP (with mark only)

Rip
1620 * 163% = 2640.6 Crit

Rake
1681 *163% = 2740.29 Crit

tr33hugger · 02/24/09, 3:48 AM

Savage Roar now increases damage done by a flat 30%. I'm not good at math, but along with primal gore and the new imp motw this seems like a huge buff, which will probably be nerved before we see 3.1 live. Also i like the change to maim.

SkunkApe · 02/24/09, 3:49 AM

Originally Posted by kalbear

Which makes R&T an essential cat talent again.

Wasn't it always was an essential cat talent? I thought you took it if you cared anything at all about maxing out your personal DPS.

Acearan · 02/24/09, 3:59 AM

Originally Posted by tr33hugger

Savage Roar now increases damage done by a flat 30%. I'm not good at math, but along with primal gore and the new imp motw this seems like a huge buff, which will probably be nerved before we see 3.1 live. Also i like the change to maim.

Maim change?