Would more stam have improved his DTPS? If anything dropping avoidance and armor would have made that higher would it not? As far as AVD goes, since avoidance only equals Dodge for Druids wont they always be behind classes that can Dodge and Parry? Or am I not understanding total avoidance for other classes? Lastly on the 2nd shortest lifespan, I'll go through the combat log and check out the killing blow. I would guess that the overkill number was far and away anything that Druid could have geared for, even if he went with all stam.

The exact rankings of most classes in Premonition's tank test are not that relevant-- a kind or mean RNG caused these, because they didn't do enough runs to make those rankings statistically significant. If they ran it again tomorrow, the druid could fall anywhere from 2nd to 4th; and long-term, it doesn't provide too much info.

The point of what they did was that, when all is said and done, what mattered was the cooldowns. Regardless of RNG, the warrior/druid/pally tank would die from 2 consecutive attacks. A DK tank could predictably survive the 2-shot range and make it to 1-shot range.

Assuming that the basic game mechanics are relatively balanced, DKs still gained an order of magnitude of survivability because of their cooldowns. A DK has so many oh-sh** buttons that those plus the healer rescue-buttons trivialized the other aspects of the tanking role. It's pretty clear that that was the entire test.

I personally see a nerf of the cooldown abilities overall, whether they decide to reduce their effectiveness, or put multiples of them on the same cooldown.

Sadly though, without nerfing oh-sh** buttons entirely, you still have the ability to taunt to a second tank and use all of his cooldowns until they come up again.

About the test you should also remember that we don't have savage defense on ptr.

Sadly this has not changed with the most recent build.

However the Mangle Bug - only granting 1 CP on crit and none otherwise - has been fixed.
So i´m looking forward to how Cats will perform on the dps-meters.

How would that be any closer?


If 20 agi > 20 str, and 20 str > 44 ap, then 20 agi > 44 ap.

The two enchants were already nearly equal before. Agility will be clearly better now.

With the upcoming changes in 3.1 I believe that Resto Druid are undergoing the largest change they have seen in a while. I believe it is important to go reexamine all of the talent points to see if they are worth it and to explore new specs.

Using this build as a base it is important to look at key talents that could be important soon.

Example:

Tranquil Spirit is usually ignored, but with the changes to nourish, it will probably be good to pick this up.

Also Living Spirit is being changed. Should we pick it up now?

Also, if anyone has any ideas about possible dreamstate builds please post them.

As of the latest version of Rawr, Major Agility is closer to the BC assault enchant then it is to Crusher. Its a solid 20% behind.

The additions of certain Warrior glyphs (Shield Wall, Last Stand) and changes to Divine Protection (to 2 min cooldown with talents) suggest that their solution may not be to nerf the DK cooldowns but to buff everyone else's, at least optionally. This puts us in an interesting position, because it wasn't entirely our cooldowns that made us viable for huge damage spikes in the 3.0.* era. Further complicating things is that we share those cooldowns with Resto and Balance. Still a lot of changes to come, I hope.

By the version of Rawr I have downloaded (2.2b1) there is a 1 dps difference. Of course, this is always going to depend on your gear, buffs, and cycle. My calcs also show Crusher ahead by roughly 1 dps for a SR/Rip cycle, However, they are almost identical for a 5/5/5 cycle (which Rawr does not model). In either case the difference will not be noticeable. These numbers are based on max gear, buffs, and spec.

In 3.1, mine is currently showing agi enchant worth about 4-5 dps more. Again, barely noticeable but more so than previously.

I know that in last PTR push feral dots (rip, rake, lacerate) crits for 100% (+talents) instead of the old 50% (+talents).

I don't know the dps aim for a fully naxx25, Malygos, Sarth equipped feral druid. From my theorycrafted value a full dps cat build with 2T7, RIP, shred and SR glyph (26 seconds rip) will do about 6.5k dps while with the old crit multiplier was about 6-6.1k dps. The old value seems to me more in line with the dps aim for that kind of gear (but only blizzard know).
What concern me the most is that with the new crits mechanic pushing Ferocious Bite out of rotation it's a insignificant dps loss. So basically we will have 1 less button. Also about 50% of our damage will be bleed and a fully raid buffed 26 sec RIP will do about 46k damage ON AVERAGE. This means that in a PvP environment we will easy see 25-30k average damage on a full rip. It seems unbalanced in a 2vs2 arena with double dps team. Do 5 cp, RIP and go out of combat while "see him die".

I don't like the idea of buffing us and then nerfing us. Please look at dot crit mechanics and revert it if you think it's overpowered. If you really think that we need more dps you can easly add a rip refresh on FB putted in a must have feral talents. I really like more an SR/RIP/FB rotation.

The amount of dot damage we will see also will pose problems on some fights like the old Arms warriors ability.