Druid Changes Patch 3.1 - Page 39

cana · 03/14/09, 8:48 PM

You're only partially true Pzychotix, quoting myself:

- If your FFF is up BEFORE Misery lands on the mob, you CAN'T OVERWRITE FFF.
- If you apply FFF to a mob AFTER Misery is already up, you CAN OVERWRITE it.

e: And iFF > FF in every case, which obviously is no bug.

nightcrowler · 03/15/09, 3:32 AM

Originally Posted by cana

e: And iFF > FF in every case, which obviously is no bug.

well it is. FFF is good enough to be inside bear-rotation. With a Moonkin in raid we can't use it. It's like if we can't use mangle with a trauma warrior^^ Debuff is different from damage. FFF shouldn't overwrite ImpFF but should do damage.

• Adoriele · 03/15/09, 3:38 AM

Originally Posted by nightcrowler

well it is. FFF is good enough to be inside bear-rotation. With a Moonkin in raid we can't use it. It's like if we can't use mangle with a trauma warrior^^ Debuff is different from damage. FFF shouldn't overwrite ImpFF but should do damage.

Minor threat increase,
lots of hit for all who cast.
Decisions are hard.

Farias · 03/15/09, 7:51 AM

Originally Posted by Camulos

So . . . damage ticks that crit from a Primal Gore enhanced Lacerate should now proc Savage Defense?

From what i have tested this is true, bleed crits do proc Savage Defense.

Still working on SD testing, Damage intake seems to be increased at beginning of fights due to lack of bleed effects running on mobs. Stacking bleed effects on many mobs seems to allow SD to keep up a good deal of the time (Soloing as a Bear against elite mobs is definitely higher.) when combined with chances to Dodge, I really wish i had my Greatness deck i just got today to test it out on the ptr.

Wulfmanjack · 03/15/09, 11:14 AM

Originally Posted by Farias

From what i have tested this is true, bleed crits do proc Savage Defense.

Still working on SD testing, Damage intake seems to be increased at beginning of fights due to lack of bleed effects running on mobs. Stacking bleed effects on many mobs seems to allow SD to keep up a good deal of the time (Soloing as a Bear against elite mobs is definitely higher.) when combined with chances to Dodge, I really wish i had my Greatness deck i just got today to test it out on the ptr.

Savadge defense procs not of bleed crits only of normal melee crits. Testet it again today. Just put a lacerate on an test dummy and stop attacking.

Dendrek · 03/15/09, 11:38 AM

Originally Posted by Adoriele

Minor threat increase,
lots of hit for all who cast.
Decisions are hard.

You seem to have missed the point Nightcrowler was making.

FFF is going to have a major damage/threat increase with 3.1. In situations where a bear tank is fighting with his guild's dps for threat, being able to use FF could help increase the bear's threat generation on that mob/boss. Nightcrowler wasn't suggesting that FFF be able to overwrite iFF or Misery. Obviously, the debuff these apply are much more useful than FFF is. He was suggesting that the damage component of FFF be able to still affect his target even if iFF or Misery are already present without his FFF applying the debuff.

I agree with this.

A rhetorical question: Why give feral druids a useful threat generating ability, and even go so far as to buff that ability's damage and threat generation, if you (Blizzard) don't intend for them to be able to use it in 25 man raids?

Fallenangel · 03/15/09, 11:51 AM

Faulty logic, can delete.

charriu · 03/15/09, 12:48 PM

Originally Posted by Fallenangel

If anything, not being able to re-apply FF as a cat is a lot more annoying, since you miss out on OoC procs which directly affects your dps. Not sure how big a deal that is, but when I was off-spec raiding as a cat it was frustrating to hit FFF and have nothing happen

How does not being able to cast FFF in cat form diminish the OoC procrate? That can only proc from auto attacks in cat/bear form.

Fallenangel · 03/15/09, 2:09 PM

I thought FFF is considered a spell and thus can proc it, but playing a bit with a dummy seems to refute that.

yuppidoooooo · 03/15/09, 4:17 PM

Moonkins on the PTR, about how much is Insect Swarm ticking for with the appropriate glyphs and ~2500 SP in raid buffs?

Garanthir · 03/15/09, 4:58 PM

Originally Posted by Adoriele

Minor threat increase,
lots of hit for all who cast.
Decisions are hard.

Apparently taking the time to read the whole statement is hard too??

The mechanic could simply be changed for FFF and iFF to coexist the same way the Mangle and Trauma do.

Farias · 03/15/09, 9:05 PM

Originally Posted by Wulfmanjack

Savadge defense procs not of bleed crits only of normal melee crits. Testet it again today. Just put a lacerate on an test dummy and stop attacking.

True, data i was getting wasn't showing regular auto attacks in the log.
Still only works on melee attacks and not off of bleeds.

Maeltne · 03/16/09, 12:59 PM

Originally Posted by Garanthir

Apparently taking the time to read the whole statement is hard too??

The mechanic could simply be changed for FFF and iFF to coexist the same way the Mangle and Trauma do.

To be clear we don't really want FF/IFF to operate similarly to Mangle and Trauma, since the most recent will overwrite the former. What we want is the damage to be able to land separately from the debuff, so that if IFF/Misery is up the damage will land, but the debuff not.

There is a bug report here: World of Warcraft - English (NA) Forums -> [BUG?] Feral Faerie Fire. Feel free to offer your input.

nightcrowler · 03/16/09, 4:02 PM

About the new swipe:

Originally Posted by Blue Post - Ghostcrowler

The correct range for the new, 360 Swipe should be 8 yards. It appears to only be 5 in your version of the data.

Soultrigger · 03/16/09, 4:09 PM

NightCrawler posted first, please delete my post.