Druid Changes Patch 3.1 - Page 46

• Melthu · 03/26/09, 3:52 PM

The numbers Erdulf just listed suggest that it scales based on the caster rather than the target. I think it's more likely in those Premonition parses that they were unaware of this change and the feral druid casted Thorns on Patchwerk and the resto druid casted it for Hodir. Brambles alone wouldn't account for that much difference in damage.

Plaisted · 03/26/09, 4:37 PM

Two feral nerfs (probably warranted) in the new PTR build.

Primal Gore doesn't affect Rake anymore.
Glyph of Savage Roar - Your Savage Roar ability grants an additional 3% bonus damage done. (Down from 6%)

Overall maybe a 10% dps nerf?

david0925 · 03/26/09, 6:16 PM

Originally Posted by Plaisted

Two feral nerfs (probably warranted) in the new PTR build.

Primal Gore doesn't affect Rake anymore.
Glyph of Savage Roar - Your Savage Roar ability grants an additional 3% bonus damage done. (Down from 6%)

Overall maybe a 10% dps nerf?

1.36> 1.33 nerf is a 2% nerf, i doubt the rake change will be as big of an impact as 8%

bavelb · 03/26/09, 7:07 PM

Just a single sample but this is what some quick napkin math got me

9 minute fight on previous build
rake Dot damage 534973
total damage 2887422
critrate 48.21

rake damage without critting dots wouldve been around 534973/1.48=361468
((534973-361468)/2887422)*100=6% nerf

Now the 2 nerfs can't just be added up ( as the SR nerf influences the rakecrit nerf%), but just to give an estimate, it's a little over 8 % nerf altogether

Allev · 03/26/09, 7:08 PM

Rake is about 15-20% of previous PTR parses I've seen, so if it had crit at a 50% rate, the math looks like

1/(1 + 1.26*.5) = about 62% of the damage it did when it crit.
.62*15 = 9.3 = 6% nerf
.62*20 = 12.4 = 7.6% nerf

Of course, I didn't account for the initial rake application, which still crits. So in reality it's probably 1% or so less.

So, 7-8.6% nerf. Sounds about right.

Cryect · 03/26/09, 7:12 PM

Originally Posted by david0925

1.36> 1.33 nerf is a 2% nerf, i doubt the rake change will be as big of an impact as 8%

Rake is about 14.75% of my damage checking one parse. Was critting about 60% with crits dealing 120% additional damage so that is 60% of attacks doing ~55% less damage or reduction of rake damage by ~33% so
4.87% damage reduction by rake no longer critting. So with savage roar nerf being 2.2% damage reduction this is overall about a 6.1% damage reduction.

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Terenta · 03/27/09, 7:04 AM

question following the Primal gore changes, is AGI still better than STR? anyone who could post some numbers on it would be much appreciated

Still a bit mythed why they made the primal gore change (since it affects our scaling) our only form of scaling buff now from 3.1 is rip since str too a big knock with the SR change. this just seems odd to me and im convinced there was a better way of reducing the damage by the intended %

• moz · 03/27/09, 11:57 AM

I initially thought the rake change was odd given how easily they can tweak things with Savage Roar but there may have been some PvP considerations factored into the rake change too. Overall, most folks agree with the fact that our DPS needed a little toning down if you've been doing any kind of raiding on the PTR.

Cuer · 03/27/09, 12:26 PM

Another feral nerf, from the latest updated patch notes:

Rend and Tear: The critical strike bonus for Ferocious Bite reduced to 5/10/15/20/25%, down from 10/20/30/40/50%.

This is not yet on the PTR, should show up in the PTR patch early next week.

They also added a long list of class-specific bug fixes. The druid ones are:

* Bash: This ability will now still interrupt casting even if the victim is immune to the stun due to diminishing returns.
* Feral Attack Power: Heirloom weapons now correctly grant the amount of attack power in Cat, Bear, and Dire Bear Forms that is stated on the weapon tooltip. In addition, the attack power bonus will now work properly for druids below level 60.
* Lifebloom: Corrected some bugs with the new blooming functionality and dispels.
* Predatory Strikes: This talent now properly affects the attack power gained from weapon enchants.
* Swipe: Now properly affected by area-of-effect damage caps.
* Thorns: This spell will now properly use the druid’s spell power to determine its scaling instead of the target’s spell power.
* Wild Growth: Fixed a bug that sometimes prevented Wild Growth ranks from overwriting each other.

Garanthir · 03/27/09, 2:15 PM

The FB change seems to backup the assertion that Rake was changed for PvP reasons. I remember posts concerning "burst" in PvP and toning down FB seems to jive with that without affecting PvE too much.

Neversage · 03/27/09, 3:40 PM

This is more of the same for Druids it seems. It reminds me of the animal form customization that we still don't have.

That ~8% DPS nerf; is that still an overall buff compared to live?

Does anyone have an idea of how much the AoE damage cap on Swipe will hurt us on larger pulls?

Garanthir · 03/27/09, 3:45 PM

Originally Posted by Neversage

This is more of the same for Druids it seems. It reminds me of the animal form customization that we still don't have.

That ~8% DPS nerf; is that still an overall buff compared to live?

Does anyone have an idea of how much the AoE damage cap on Swipe will hurt us on larger pulls?

Even with the adjustment, we'll still be quite a bit better than live. Aren't all other AOE spells subject to the cap? Seems like they are just fixing an oversight, can't really consider that a "nerf".

savernon · 03/27/09, 3:50 PM

Regarding this change:

* Thorns: This spell will now properly use the druid’s spell power to determine its scaling instead of the target’s spell power.

So it sounds like you can have a balance druid cast thorns on you and you get a more powerful version of thorns, or even just cast it on yourself in offspec caster gear and then swap to feral?

Neversage · 03/27/09, 3:55 PM

Originally Posted by Garanthir

Even with the adjustment, we'll still be quite a bit better than live. Aren't all other AOE spells subject to the cap? Seems like they are just fixing an oversight, can't really consider that a "nerf".

That's actually quite comforting to hear. I remember the days pre-patch 3, when in Kara/Welfare epics it was all I could do to push 600DPS. Then overnight I was doing 900. I just don't want to go back to being that fundamentally limited.

ganuard · 03/27/09, 3:55 PM

Originally Posted by Garanthir

Even with the adjustment, we'll still be quite a bit better than live. Aren't all other AOE spells subject to the cap? Seems like they are just fixing an oversight, can't really consider that a "nerf".

Haha, who will miss their 30k DPS on the trash pulls in Spider Wing? That was fun but I'm not upset over this 'correction' as we are finally going to be able to break 6k on single target!

The FB change wont hurt us too much either, since it's still something close to an 80% crit chance with the bonus on FB, the likeliness of our occasional FBs critting in PvE should still be a non issue.