SimulationCraft - for fur and feather wearers - Page 12

foxglove · 09/14/09, 2:38 PM

Originally Posted by dedmonwakeen

2pT8 / OoC support overlap: That conditional will work for both.

I added an extend_rip=1 conditional to Shred and experimented moving it around..... but I could not increase DPS. There seemed to be no real advantage of explicitly planning for this since it was happening naturally.

I had to create a rather hard movement scenario in order for the extra shred conditional to help:

raid_events=movement,cooldown=30,cooldown_stddev=3,duration=10

I think that the real time it comes into play is when the druid is supplying Mangle (which I do, which is why I thought of it I guess). If we're assuming Trauma, I guess that doesn't come into play.

dedmonwakeen · 09/14/09, 3:33 PM

Originally Posted by foxglove

I think that the real time it comes into play is when the druid is supplying Mangle (which I do, which is why I thought of it I guess). If we're assuming Trauma, I guess that doesn't come into play.

Ah. Yes, I do see a DPS increase for the mangle profile. Since it is dps-neutral if you are not putting up Mangle, I'll just add to the default action generation.

Allev · 09/28/09, 12:12 PM

Just noting a peculiar thing-- the RSVs for hit and expertise should come out equal, unless you've done something odd like modeling Faerie Fire in the opening attack sequence of the raid (it's usually a during-run-in spell which shouldn't impact actual damage.) However this may just be a symptom of a limited number of runs of the sim.

Starfox · 09/28/09, 4:12 PM

Originally Posted by Allev

Just noting a peculiar thing-- the RSVs for hit and expertise should come out equal, unless you've done something odd like modeling Faerie Fire in the opening attack sequence of the raid (it's usually a during-run-in spell which shouldn't impact actual damage.) However this may just be a symptom of a limited number of runs of the sim.

profiles	Str	Agi	Sta	Int	Spi	SP	AP	Exp	ArPen?	Hit	Crit	Haste	Wdps	lag
Druid_T8_00_55_16	1.51	1.60	0.00	0.00	0.00	0.00	0.66	1.42	1.50	1.45	1.24	1.25	10.62	0.00
Druid_T8_00_55_16_M	1.46	1.54	0.00	0.00	0.00	0.00	0.62	1.43	1.43	1.46	1.21	1.26	10.36	0.00

1.42 : 1.45, 1.43 : 1.46, not that far apart from my point of view or am I missing something here

Allev · 09/28/09, 4:24 PM

It's true that they aren't far away (2% or so), but they should be identical. It might just be an error of the RSV process (2% potential error isn't bad) but it may also be an indicator of something else being wrong.

Given the T7 is closer together I assume it's only error right now, but it's something worth noting if a pattern emerges.

ramenchef · 09/28/09, 6:35 PM

If you want a better T9 profile for druids, this one gives me the best results so far.
RapidShare: 1-CLICK Web hosting - Easy Filehosting

That's with mangle assumed to be provided by someone else.

Althor · 10/03/09, 11:33 PM

Originally Posted by ramenchef

If you want a better T9 profile for druids, this one gives me the best results so far.
RapidShare: 1-CLICK Web hosting - Easy Filehosting

That's with mangle assumed to be provided by someone else.

Thanks. I've updated the SimCraft profile to a modified version of the one you've posted. The only real changes are I replaced 2 ArPen gems with Expertise gems to get a bit closer to the cap as SimCraft was reporting a DPS increase from doing so.

As always you can find the latest SimCraft profiles at: simulationcraft - Revision 3437: /trunk/profiles

ramenchef · 10/04/09, 12:01 AM

Actually, do you mind making one change? Change the one agility gem in the gloves to ArP since ArP should be worth a lot under the softcap which your change put the gearset under.

Althor · 10/04/09, 11:30 AM

Originally Posted by ramenchef

Actually, do you mind making one change? Change the one agility gem in the gloves to ArP since ArP should be worth a lot under the softcap which your change put the gearset under.

I tried replacing the 10agi/10haste gem in the shoulders (only had a 4agi socket bonus) with a 20arpen gem but SimCraft has it 20 DPS lower than using the agi/haste gem.

Details below:

SimulationCraft for World of Warcraft build 3.2.2 ( iterations=10000, max_time=300, optimal_raid=1, smooth_rng=0 )

DPS Ranking:
  20142 100.0%  Raid
  10088  50.0%  Druid_T9_00_55_16
  10068  50.0%  Druid_T9_00_55_16_2

Player: Druid_T9_00_55_16 night_elf druid feral 80
  DPS: 10087.6  Error=5.9  Range=1139  DPR=825.1  RPS=12.2/12.0  (energy)
  Origin: http://profiler.wowhead.com/?profile=14717965
  Core Stats:  strength=390|114(20)  agility=2197|1756(1538)  stamina=2191|1669(1447)  intellect=381|211(20)  spirit=360|193(20)  health=28677|23927  mana=8931|6381
  Spell Stats:  power=280|0(0)  hit=10.63%|10.63%(279)  crit=25.77%|19.75%(764)  penetration=0|0(0)  haste=26.16%|16.65%(546)  mp5=0|0
  Attack Stats  power=12404|2706(2338)  hit=8.51%|8.51%(279)  crit=65.49%|45.20%(764)  expertise=25.37|25.37(126)  penetration=58.59%|55.73%(780)  haste=50.36%|21.65%(546)
  Defense Stats:  armor=8305|7423(3911)  blockv=0|0(0)  defense=400|400(0)  miss=9.70%|9.70%  dodge=45.73%|32.99%(0)  parry=0.00%|0.00%(0)  block=0.00%|0.00%(0) crit=5.90%|5.90%
  Glyphs: rip/shred/savage_roar/the_wild/unburdened_rebirth/dash
  Priorities:
    flask,type=endless_rage/food,type=hearty_rhino/cat_form/auto_attack/snapshot_stats/maim
    faerie_fire_feral,debuff_only=1/shred,omen_of_clarity=1/tigers_fury,energy<=40/berserk,tigers_fury=1
    savage_roar,cp>=1,savage_roar<=4/shred,extend_rip=1,rip<=4/rip,cp>=5,time_to_die>=10
    ferocious_bite,cp>=5,rip>=5,savage_roar>=6/rake/shred
  Actions:
    cat_melee       Count=468.5| 0.6sec  DPE=  2419|37%  DPET=  3783  DPR=   0.0  pDPS=3780  Miss=0.0%  Hit=1301| 901|1734  Crit= 3029| 2041| 3929|69.0%  Glance=1000|24.0%  Dodge=0.2%
    ferocious_bite  Count=  2.5|105.0sec  DPE= 23859| 2%  DPET= 20747  DPR= 544.6  pDPS= 201  Miss=0.0%  Hit=10144|8897|12882  Crit=24153|20161|30432|98.0%  Dodge=0.2%
    rake            Count= 23.0|13.3sec  DPE= 12545|10%  DPET= 10909  DPR= 404.6  pDPS= 961  Miss=0.0%  Hit= 807| 577|1000  Crit= 1833| 1308| 2266|68.6%  Dodge=0.2%  TickCount=89  Tick=2832|2079|2986
    rip             Count=  9.5|31.4sec  DPE= 51024|16%  DPET= 44369  DPR=2041.6  pDPS=1615  Miss=0.0%  Dodge=0.2%  TickCount=102  Tick=2352|2284|2438  CritTick=5347|5176|5523|79.2%
    shred           Count= 93.0| 3.2sec  DPE= 11381|35%  DPET=  9897  DPR= 406.2  pDPS=3530  Miss=0.0%  Hit=6039|4152|7436  Crit=13788| 9408|16851|69.1%  Dodge=0.2%
  Constant Buffs: arcane_brilliance/blessing_of_kings/blessing_of_might/blessing_of_wisdom/cat_form/divine_spirit/fortitude
  Constant Buffs: mark_of_the_wild/replenishment
  Dynamic Buffs:
    berserk           : start=2.0   refresh=0.0    interval=184.0|184.0  uptime=10%
    berserking_mh     : start=5.4   refresh=2.4    interval= 50.6|33.0   uptime=32%  benefit=32%  trigger= 1%
    bloodlust         : start=1.0   refresh=0.0    interval=  0.0|0.0    uptime=13%  benefit=17%
    combo_points      : start=43.3  refresh=127.2  interval=  7.0|1.8    uptime=78%
    deaths_verdict    : start=7.0   refresh=0.0    interval= 45.9|45.9   uptime=35%  trigger=35%
    mjolnir_runestone : start=6.8   refresh=0.0    interval= 48.0|48.0   uptime=22%  trigger=15%
    mutilation        : start=1.7   refresh=63.3   interval=127.9|4.6    uptime=98%  trigger=70%
    omen_of_clarity   : start=26.6  refresh=0.8    interval= 10.9|10.6   uptime= 5%  benefit= 7%  trigger= 6%
    savage_roar       : start=2.7   refresh=27.7   interval= 96.6|10.0   uptime=99%  benefit=99%
    tigers_fury       : start=10.1  refresh=0.0    interval= 30.7|30.7   uptime=16%  benefit=17%
  Up-Times:
      1.0% : energy_cap                    
     87.6% : rake                          
     67.4% : rip                           
  Procs:
     25.2 |  14.74sec : combo_points_wasted
     80.0 |   3.75sec : primal_fury
  Gains:
        4.4 : energy_refund   
     2979.6 : energy_regen    
     1092.0 : omen_of_clarity 
        0.4 : primal_precision
      603.0 : tigers_fury     

Player: Druid_T9_00_55_16_2 night_elf druid feral 80
  DPS: 10068.0  Error=6.0  Range=1122  DPR=823.6  RPS=12.2/12.0  (energy)
  Origin: http://profiler.wowhead.com/?profile=14717965
  Core Stats:  strength=390|114(20)  agility=2180|1741(1524)  stamina=2191|1669(1447)  intellect=381|211(20)  spirit=360|193(20)  health=28677|23927  mana=8931|6381
  Spell Stats:  power=280|0(0)  hit=10.63%|10.63%(279)  crit=25.77%|19.75%(764)  penetration=0|0(0)  haste=25.83%|16.35%(536)  mp5=0|0
  Attack Stats  power=12383|2706(2338)  hit=8.51%|8.51%(279)  crit=65.29%|45.02%(764)  expertise=25.37|25.37(126)  penetration=60.02%|57.16%(800)  haste=49.87%|21.25%(536)
  Defense Stats:  armor=8271|7393(3911)  blockv=0|0(0)  defense=400|400(0)  miss=9.70%|9.70%  dodge=45.53%|32.83%(0)  parry=0.00%|0.00%(0)  block=0.00%|0.00%(0) crit=5.90%|5.90%
  Glyphs: rip/shred/savage_roar/the_wild/unburdened_rebirth/dash
  Priorities:
    flask,type=endless_rage/food,type=hearty_rhino/cat_form/auto_attack/snapshot_stats/maim
    faerie_fire_feral,debuff_only=1/shred,omen_of_clarity=1/tigers_fury,energy<=40/berserk,tigers_fury=1
    savage_roar,cp>=1,savage_roar<=4/shred,extend_rip=1,rip<=4/rip,cp>=5,time_to_die>=10
    ferocious_bite,cp>=5,rip>=5,savage_roar>=6/rake/shred
  Actions:
    cat_melee       Count=466.9| 0.6sec  DPE=  2419|37%  DPET=  3770  DPR=   0.0  pDPS=3767  Miss=0.0%  Hit=1304| 905|1732  Crit= 3033| 2050| 3924|68.8%  Glance=1001|24.0%  Dodge=0.2%
    ferocious_bite  Count=  2.5|105.4sec  DPE= 23935| 2%  DPET= 20813  DPR= 548.0  pDPS= 199  Miss=0.0%  Hit=10086|8940|12725  Crit=24246|20257|30399|97.9%  Dodge=0.2%
    rake            Count= 23.0|13.4sec  DPE= 12533|10%  DPET= 10898  DPR= 403.6  pDPS= 960  Miss=0.0%  Hit= 806| 577|1000  Crit= 1832| 1307| 2265|68.4%  Dodge=0.2%  TickCount=89  Tick=2829|2077|2984
    rip             Count=  9.5|31.5sec  DPE= 50913|16%  DPET= 44272  DPR=2040.5  pDPS=1610  Miss=0.0%  Dodge=0.2%  TickCount=102  Tick=2350|2282|2436  CritTick=5342|5171|5519|79.0%
    shred           Count= 92.9| 3.2sec  DPE= 11399|35%  DPET=  9913  DPR= 406.2  pDPS=3532  Miss=0.0%  Hit=6060|4172|7429  Crit=13829| 9453|16834|68.9%  Dodge=0.2%
  Constant Buffs: arcane_brilliance/blessing_of_kings/blessing_of_might/blessing_of_wisdom/cat_form/divine_spirit/fortitude
  Constant Buffs: mark_of_the_wild/replenishment
  Dynamic Buffs:
    berserk           : start=2.0   refresh=0.0    interval=184.0|184.0  uptime=10%
    berserking_mh     : start=5.4   refresh=2.5    interval= 50.7|33.0   uptime=32%  benefit=32%  trigger= 1%
    bloodlust         : start=1.0   refresh=0.0    interval=  0.0|0.0    uptime=13%  benefit=17%
    combo_points      : start=43.3  refresh=126.9  interval=  7.0|1.8    uptime=78%
    deaths_verdict    : start=7.0   refresh=0.0    interval= 46.0|46.0   uptime=35%  trigger=35%
    mjolnir_runestone : start=6.8   refresh=0.0    interval= 48.1|48.1   uptime=22%  trigger=15%
    mutilation        : start=1.7   refresh=63.1   interval=126.5|4.6    uptime=98%  trigger=70%
    omen_of_clarity   : start=26.4  refresh=0.8    interval= 11.0|10.6   uptime= 5%  benefit= 7%  trigger= 6%
    savage_roar       : start=2.7   refresh=27.8   interval= 96.3|10.0   uptime=99%  benefit=99%
    tigers_fury       : start=10.1  refresh=0.0    interval= 30.7|30.7   uptime=16%  benefit=17%
  Up-Times:
      1.0% : energy_cap                    
     87.5% : rake                          
     67.4% : rip                           
  Procs:
     25.1 |  14.79sec : combo_points_wasted
     79.6 |   3.77sec : primal_fury
  Gains:
        4.3 : energy_refund   
     2979.6 : energy_regen    
     1084.5 : omen_of_clarity 
        0.4 : primal_precision
      603.1 : tigers_fury     

Auras and De-Buffs:
  Constant: abominations_might/battle_shout/bleeding/blood_frenzy/crypt_fever/curse_of_elements/earth_and_moon
  Constant: elemental_oath/expose_armor/faerie_fire/ferocious_inspiration/flametongue_totem/heart_of_the_crusader
  Constant: hunters_mark/improved_faerie_fire/improved_moonkin/improved_scorch/improved_shadow_bolt/infected_wounds
  Constant: insect_swarm/judgement_of_wisdom/judgements_of_the_just/leader_of_the_pack/mana_spring_totem/mangle
  Constant: master_poisoner/misery/moonkin/poisoned/rampage/sanctified_retribution/savage_combat/strength_of_earth
  Constant: sunder_armor/swift_retribution/thunder_clap/totem_of_wrath/totem_of_wrath_debuff/trauma/trueshot
  Constant: unleashed_rage/windfury_totem/winters_chill/wrath_of_air
  Dynamic:

Waiting:
    38.7% : Druid_T9_00_55_16
    38.7% : Druid_T9_00_55_16_2

Baseline Performance:
  TotalEvents   = 39091373
  MaxEventQueue = 32
  TargetHealth  = 6039791
  SimSeconds    = 2999921
  CpuSeconds    = 38.378
  SpeedUp       = 78168

RNG global Actual/Expected Roll=1.000036 Range=1.000000 Gauss=1.000000

ramenchef · 10/04/09, 2:49 PM

I was wondering why your setup was giving much higher DPS than my current set which should give the same. I had Enchanting/JC as my professions whereas you have BS/JC, which explains it. It also explains why you were trying to change a agi/haste gem instead of the pure agi gem I had in the gloves. If that is the case, you actually need to change out some of the ArP gems out to agi since you're well over the softcap of 735 ArP. You also don't have access to the 272 cloak for physical DPS. I recommend switching out either 2 ArP gems for 2 Agi gems or switching 1 JC ArP gem to 1 JC Agi gem. Going the 2 ArP gem route would put you 3 ArP under the cap whereas the JC gem route would put you 3 ArP over the cap. Not sure which one would yield the most dps.

Althor · 10/04/09, 9:46 PM

Originally Posted by ramenchef

I was wondering why your setup was giving much higher DPS than my current set which should give the same. I had Enchanting/JC as my professions whereas you have BS/JC, which explains it. It also explains why you were trying to change a agi/haste gem instead of the pure agi gem I had in the gloves. If that is the case, you actually need to change out some of the ArP gems out to agi since you're well over the softcap of 735 ArP. You also don't have access to the 272 cloak for physical DPS. I recommend switching out either 2 ArP gems for 2 Agi gems or switching 1 JC ArP gem to 1 JC Agi gem. Going the 2 ArP gem route would put you 3 ArP under the cap whereas the JC gem route would put you 3 ArP over the cap. Not sure which one would yield the most dps.

I'll test those suggestions out.

As for the 272 cloak, it is in the SimCraft profile just not yet on the wowhead profile because wowhead haven't added it yet to their database.

*edit*: Here are the results:

SimulationCraft for World of Warcraft build 3.2.2 ( iterations=30000, max_time=300, optimal_raid=1, smooth_rng=0 )

DPS Ranking:
  30266 100.0%  Raid
  10096  33.3%  Druid_T9_00_55_16_2
  10096  33.3%  Druid_T9_00_55_16_3
  10092  33.3%  Druid_T9_00_55_16

Player: Druid_T9_00_55_16 night_elf druid feral 80
  DPS: 10091.9  Error=3.4  Range=1220  DPR=825.9  RPS=12.2/12.0  (energy)
  Origin: http://profiler.wowhead.com/?profile=14717965
  Core Stats:  strength=390|114(20)  agility=2197|1756(1538)  stamina=2191|1669(1447)  intellect=381|211(20)  spirit=360|193(20)  health=28677|23927  mana=8931|6381
  Spell Stats:  power=280|0(0)  hit=10.63%|10.63%(279)  crit=25.77%|19.75%(764)  penetration=0|0(0)  haste=26.16%|16.65%(546)  mp5=0|0
  Attack Stats  power=12404|2706(2338)  hit=8.51%|8.51%(279)  crit=65.49%|45.20%(764)  expertise=25.37|25.37(126)  penetration=58.59%|55.73%(780)  haste=50.36%|21.65%(546)
  Defense Stats:  armor=8305|7423(3911)  blockv=0|0(0)  defense=400|400(0)  miss=9.70%|9.70%  dodge=45.73%|32.99%(0)  parry=0.00%|0.00%(0)  block=0.00%|0.00%(0) crit=5.90%|5.90%
  Glyphs: rip/shred/savage_roar/the_wild/unburdened_rebirth/dash
  Priorities:
    flask,type=endless_rage/food,type=hearty_rhino/cat_form/auto_attack/snapshot_stats/maim
    faerie_fire_feral,debuff_only=1/shred,omen_of_clarity=1/tigers_fury,energy<=40/berserk,tigers_fury=1
    savage_roar,cp>=1,savage_roar<=4/shred,extend_rip=1,rip<=4/rip,cp>=5,time_to_die>=10
    ferocious_bite,cp>=5,rip>=5,savage_roar>=6/rake/shred
  Actions:
    cat_melee       Count=468.5| 0.6sec  DPE=  2420|37%  DPET=  3784  DPR=   0.0  pDPS=3782  Miss=0.0%  Hit=1301| 901|1734  Crit= 3030| 2041| 3929|69.0%  Glance=1000|24.0%  Dodge=0.2%
    ferocious_bite  Count=  2.5|103.7sec  DPE= 23843| 2%  DPET= 20733  DPR= 544.5  pDPS= 202  Miss=0.0%  Hit=10094|8794|12882  Crit=24163|19827|30432|97.8%  Dodge=0.2%
    rake            Count= 22.9|13.4sec  DPE= 12546|10%  DPET= 10910  DPR= 404.6  pDPS= 960  Miss=0.0%  Hit= 807| 577|1000  Crit= 1833| 1308| 2266|68.6%  Dodge=0.2%  TickCount=89  Tick=2833|2079|2986
    rip             Count=  9.5|31.5sec  DPE= 51026|16%  DPET= 44370  DPR=2042.0  pDPS=1617  Miss=0.0%  Dodge=0.2%  TickCount=103  Tick=2352|2284|2438  CritTick=5347|5176|5523|79.2%
    shred           Count= 92.9| 3.2sec  DPE= 11391|35%  DPET=  9905  DPR= 406.6  pDPS=3531  Miss=0.0%  Hit=6038|4152|7436  Crit=13790| 9408|16851|69.2%  Dodge=0.2%
  Constant Buffs: arcane_brilliance/blessing_of_kings/blessing_of_might/blessing_of_wisdom/cat_form/divine_spirit/fortitude
  Constant Buffs: mark_of_the_wild/replenishment
  Dynamic Buffs:
    berserk           : start=2.0   refresh=0.0    interval=184.0|184.0  uptime=10%
    berserking_mh     : start=5.4   refresh=2.5    interval= 50.6|33.0   uptime=32%  benefit=32%  trigger= 1%
    bloodlust         : start=1.0   refresh=0.0    interval=  0.0|0.0    uptime=13%  benefit=17%
    combo_points      : start=43.3  refresh=127.2  interval=  7.0|1.8    uptime=78%
    deaths_verdict    : start=7.0   refresh=0.0    interval= 45.9|45.9   uptime=35%  trigger=35%
    mjolnir_runestone : start=6.8   refresh=0.0    interval= 48.0|48.0   uptime=22%  trigger=15%
    mutilation        : start=1.7   refresh=63.2   interval=127.8|4.6    uptime=98%  trigger=70%
    omen_of_clarity   : start=26.6  refresh=0.8    interval= 10.9|10.6   uptime= 5%  benefit= 7%  trigger= 6%
    savage_roar       : start=2.7   refresh=27.7   interval= 96.7|10.0   uptime=99%  benefit=99%
    tigers_fury       : start=10.0  refresh=0.0    interval= 30.7|30.7   uptime=16%  benefit=17%
  Up-Times:
      1.0% : energy_cap                    
     87.6% : rake                          
     67.5% : rip                           
  Procs:
     25.2 |  14.73sec : combo_points_wasted
     80.0 |   3.74sec : primal_fury
  Gains:
        4.1 : energy_refund   
     2979.5 : energy_regen    
     1091.7 : omen_of_clarity 
        0.4 : primal_precision
      601.7 : tigers_fury     

Player: Druid_T9_00_55_16_2 night_elf druid feral 80
  DPS: 10096.3  Error=3.4  Range=1254  DPR=826.3  RPS=12.2/12.0  (energy)
  Origin: http://profiler.wowhead.com/?profile=14717965
  Core Stats:  strength=390|114(20)  agility=2245|1800(1578)  stamina=2191|1669(1447)  intellect=381|211(20)  spirit=360|193(20)  health=28677|23927  mana=8931|6381
  Spell Stats:  power=280|0(0)  hit=10.63%|10.63%(279)  crit=25.77%|19.75%(764)  penetration=0|0(0)  haste=26.16%|16.65%(546)  mp5=0|0
  Attack Stats  power=12462|2706(2338)  hit=8.51%|8.51%(279)  crit=66.07%|45.73%(764)  expertise=25.37|25.37(126)  penetration=55.73%|52.87%(740)  haste=50.36%|21.65%(546)
  Defense Stats:  armor=8401|7511(3911)  blockv=0|0(0)  defense=400|400(0)  miss=9.70%|9.70%  dodge=46.29%|33.48%(0)  parry=0.00%|0.00%(0)  block=0.00%|0.00%(0) crit=5.90%|5.90%
  Glyphs: rip/shred/savage_roar/the_wild/unburdened_rebirth/dash
  Priorities:
    flask,type=endless_rage/food,type=hearty_rhino/cat_form/auto_attack/snapshot_stats/maim
    faerie_fire_feral,debuff_only=1/shred,omen_of_clarity=1/tigers_fury,energy<=40/berserk,tigers_fury=1
    savage_roar,cp>=1,savage_roar<=4/shred,extend_rip=1,rip<=4/rip,cp>=5,time_to_die>=10
    ferocious_bite,cp>=5,rip>=5,savage_roar>=6/rake/shred
  Actions:
    cat_melee       Count=468.5| 0.6sec  DPE=  2418|37%  DPET=  3781  DPR=   0.0  pDPS=3779  Miss=0.0%  Hit=1291| 894|1740  Crit= 3016| 2026| 3944|69.6%  Glance= 996|24.0%  Dodge=0.2%
    ferocious_bite  Count=  2.6|102.8sec  DPE= 23818| 2%  DPET= 20711  DPR= 543.2  pDPS= 203  Miss=0.0%  Hit=9984|8822|12925  Crit=24080|19990|30531|98.2%  Dodge=0.1%
    rake            Count= 23.0|13.4sec  DPE= 12587|10%  DPET= 10945  DPR= 406.0  pDPS= 964  Miss=0.0%  Hit= 808| 578|1002  Crit= 1837| 1310| 2270|69.2%  Dodge=0.2%  TickCount=89  Tick=2841|2086|2995
    rip             Count=  9.5|31.4sec  DPE= 51311|16%  DPET= 44618  DPR=2050.8  pDPS=1630  Miss=0.0%  Dodge=0.1%  TickCount=103  Tick=2358|2290|2443  CritTick=5360|5189|5537|79.7%
    shred           Count= 92.8| 3.2sec  DPE= 11370|35%  DPET=  9887  DPR= 405.7  pDPS=3520  Miss=0.0%  Hit=6006|4117|7459  Crit=13717| 9329|16902|69.7%  Dodge=0.2%
  Constant Buffs: arcane_brilliance/blessing_of_kings/blessing_of_might/blessing_of_wisdom/cat_form/divine_spirit/fortitude
  Constant Buffs: mark_of_the_wild/replenishment
  Dynamic Buffs:
    berserk           : start=2.0   refresh=0.0    interval=184.0|184.0  uptime=10%
    berserking_mh     : start=5.4   refresh=2.5    interval= 50.6|32.9   uptime=32%  benefit=32%  trigger= 1%
    bloodlust         : start=1.0   refresh=0.0    interval=  0.0|0.0    uptime=13%  benefit=17%
    combo_points      : start=43.4  refresh=127.4  interval=  7.0|1.8    uptime=78%
    deaths_verdict    : start=7.0   refresh=0.0    interval= 45.9|45.9   uptime=35%  trigger=35%
    mjolnir_runestone : start=6.8   refresh=0.0    interval= 48.0|48.0   uptime=22%  trigger=15%
    mutilation        : start=1.7   refresh=63.1   interval=128.1|4.6    uptime=98%  trigger=70%
    omen_of_clarity   : start=26.5  refresh=0.8    interval= 10.9|10.6   uptime= 5%  benefit= 7%  trigger= 6%
    savage_roar       : start=2.7   refresh=27.7   interval= 96.4|10.0   uptime=99%  benefit=99%
    tigers_fury       : start=10.0  refresh=0.0    interval= 30.7|30.7   uptime=16%  benefit=17%
  Up-Times:
      1.0% : energy_cap                    
     87.6% : rake                          
     67.7% : rip                           
  Procs:
     25.4 |  14.62sec : combo_points_wasted
     80.6 |   3.72sec : primal_fury
  Gains:
        4.1 : energy_refund   
     2979.5 : energy_regen    
     1089.7 : omen_of_clarity 
        0.4 : primal_precision
      601.6 : tigers_fury     

Player: Druid_T9_00_55_16_3 night_elf druid feral 80
  DPS: 10095.9  Error=3.4  Range=1209  DPR=826.3  RPS=12.2/12.0  (energy)
  Origin: http://profiler.wowhead.com/?profile=14717965
  Core Stats:  strength=390|114(20)  agility=2237|1793(1572)  stamina=2191|1669(1447)  intellect=381|211(20)  spirit=360|193(20)  health=28677|23927  mana=8931|6381
  Spell Stats:  power=280|0(0)  hit=10.63%|10.63%(279)  crit=25.77%|19.75%(764)  penetration=0|0(0)  haste=26.16%|16.65%(546)  mp5=0|0
  Attack Stats  power=12452|2706(2338)  hit=8.51%|8.51%(279)  crit=65.97%|45.64%(764)  expertise=25.37|25.37(126)  penetration=56.16%|53.30%(746)  haste=50.36%|21.65%(546)
  Defense Stats:  armor=8385|7497(3911)  blockv=0|0(0)  defense=400|400(0)  miss=9.70%|9.70%  dodge=46.19%|33.40%(0)  parry=0.00%|0.00%(0)  block=0.00%|0.00%(0) crit=5.90%|5.90%
  Glyphs: rip/shred/savage_roar/the_wild/unburdened_rebirth/dash
  Priorities:
    flask,type=endless_rage/food,type=hearty_rhino/cat_form/auto_attack/snapshot_stats/maim
    faerie_fire_feral,debuff_only=1/shred,omen_of_clarity=1/tigers_fury,energy<=40/berserk,tigers_fury=1
    savage_roar,cp>=1,savage_roar<=4/shred,extend_rip=1,rip<=4/rip,cp>=5,time_to_die>=10
    ferocious_bite,cp>=5,rip>=5,savage_roar>=6/rake/shred
  Actions:
    cat_melee       Count=468.5| 0.6sec  DPE=  2419|37%  DPET=  3782  DPR=   0.0  pDPS=3780  Miss=0.0%  Hit=1292| 895|1739  Crit= 3018| 2028| 3941|69.5%  Glance= 996|24.0%  Dodge=0.2%
    ferocious_bite  Count=  2.6|103.0sec  DPE= 23798| 2%  DPET= 20694  DPR= 542.2  pDPS= 203  Miss=0.0%  Hit=10013|8731|12918  Crit=24065|20007|30516|98.2%  Dodge=0.1%
    rake            Count= 23.0|13.4sec  DPE= 12582|10%  DPET= 10941  DPR= 405.8  pDPS= 963  Miss=0.0%  Hit= 808| 578|1001  Crit= 1836| 1310| 2269|69.2%  Dodge=0.2%  TickCount=89  Tick=2840|2085|2994
    rip             Count=  9.5|31.4sec  DPE= 51270|16%  DPET= 44582  DPR=2048.1  pDPS=1628  Miss=0.0%  Dodge=0.2%  TickCount=103  Tick=2357|2289|2443  CritTick=5358|5187|5535|79.7%
    shred           Count= 92.9| 3.2sec  DPE= 11369|35%  DPET=  9886  DPR= 405.9  pDPS=3522  Miss=0.0%  Hit=6010|4122|7456  Crit=13727| 9341|16894|69.6%  Dodge=0.2%
  Constant Buffs: arcane_brilliance/blessing_of_kings/blessing_of_might/blessing_of_wisdom/cat_form/divine_spirit/fortitude
  Constant Buffs: mark_of_the_wild/replenishment
  Dynamic Buffs:
    berserk           : start=2.0   refresh=0.0    interval=184.0|184.0  uptime=10%
    berserking_mh     : start=5.4   refresh=2.5    interval= 50.7|32.9   uptime=32%  benefit=32%  trigger= 1%
    bloodlust         : start=1.0   refresh=0.0    interval=  0.0|0.0    uptime=13%  benefit=17%
    combo_points      : start=43.3  refresh=127.4  interval=  7.0|1.8    uptime=78%
    deaths_verdict    : start=7.0   refresh=0.0    interval= 45.9|45.9   uptime=35%  trigger=35%
    mjolnir_runestone : start=6.8   refresh=0.0    interval= 48.0|48.0   uptime=22%  trigger=15%
    mutilation        : start=1.7   refresh=63.2   interval=127.5|4.6    uptime=98%  trigger=70%
    omen_of_clarity   : start=26.6  refresh=0.8    interval= 10.9|10.6   uptime= 5%  benefit= 7%  trigger= 6%
    savage_roar       : start=2.7   refresh=27.7   interval= 96.8|10.0   uptime=99%  benefit=99%
    tigers_fury       : start=10.0  refresh=0.0    interval= 30.7|30.7   uptime=16%  benefit=17%
  Up-Times:
      1.0% : energy_cap                    
     87.6% : rake                          
     67.7% : rip                           
  Procs:
     25.4 |  14.62sec : combo_points_wasted
     80.5 |   3.72sec : primal_fury
  Gains:
        4.2 : energy_refund   
     2979.4 : energy_regen    
     1091.7 : omen_of_clarity 
        0.4 : primal_precision
      601.6 : tigers_fury     

Auras and De-Buffs:
  Constant: abominations_might/battle_shout/bleeding/blood_frenzy/crypt_fever/curse_of_elements/earth_and_moon
  Constant: elemental_oath/expose_armor/faerie_fire/ferocious_inspiration/flametongue_totem/heart_of_the_crusader
  Constant: hunters_mark/improved_faerie_fire/improved_moonkin/improved_scorch/improved_shadow_bolt/infected_wounds
  Constant: insect_swarm/judgement_of_wisdom/judgements_of_the_just/leader_of_the_pack/mana_spring_totem/mangle
  Constant: master_poisoner/misery/moonkin/poisoned/rampage/sanctified_retribution/savage_combat/strength_of_earth
  Constant: sunder_armor/swift_retribution/thunder_clap/totem_of_wrath/totem_of_wrath_debuff/trauma/trueshot
  Constant: unleashed_rage/windfury_totem/winters_chill/wrath_of_air
  Dynamic:

Waiting:
    38.7% : Druid_T9_00_55_16
    38.7% : Druid_T9_00_55_16_2
    38.7% : Druid_T9_00_55_16_3

Baseline Performance:
  TotalEvents   = 168085022
  MaxEventQueue = 46
  TargetHealth  = 9075712
  SimSeconds    = 8998943
  CpuSeconds    = 168.524
  SpeedUp       = 53399

RNG global Actual/Expected Roll=1.000051 Range=1.000000 Gauss=1.000000

_2 is replacing 2 20arpen gems with 2agi gems.
_3 is replacing 1 JC 34arpen gem with 1 JC 34agi gem.

After 30000 iterations _2 and _3 are identical and the default is only 4 dps behind.

I guess I can edit the profile and choose _2.

*edit2*: SimCraft profile is updated. Swapped the neck and cloak gems.
And yeah, to address something in your post, for the profiles I tend to go with BS/JC as the professions if the class is likely to use a lot of non-SP/non-AP gems.
For Priests for example I just went Enchanting/Tailoring however for say Fury Warriors that also stack ArPen I use JC/BS.

Allev · 10/05/09, 8:03 AM

Since I've seen updates made to the profiles here-- check out the profiles I uploaded for T8 sequences in the issues section of the official page (issue 142). That's the beginning of some energy pooling work, and shows a little more difference in play. Especially important is the increase in Mangle uptime on the Mangle profile while decreasing the overwrite time, which should lead to a good raid DPS boost.

Allev · 10/05/09, 5:17 PM

I saw the T9 sample data go out, and now, hit and expertise are large volumes of DPS different-- hit is at 1.55, expertise is at 1.98. My first instinct is that this has to do with stat caps-- specifically, expertise is well below the cap and hit is above it. Is something funky going on with scale factors, or is there a bug somewhere?

Other things to be concerned about: the rip bleed ticks are critting (5-6%) more than they should-- they crit at normal melee attack levels (approximate to everything else-- see post #103) in-game (although more with 4T9). Also, Rip uptime is really, really low.

Edit: submitted issue on issue tracker.

ramenchef · 10/05/09, 6:45 PM

Allev, don't forget that this set as 4pc T9 on.

dedmonwakeen · 10/05/09, 7:39 PM

Originally Posted by Allev

I saw the T9 sample data go out, and now, hit and expertise are large volumes of DPS different-- hit is at 1.55, expertise is at 1.98. My first instinct is that this has to do with stat caps-- specifically, expertise is well below the cap and hit is above it. Is something funky going on with scale factors, or is there a bug somewhere?

Other things to be concerned about: the rip bleed ticks are critting (5-6%) more than they should-- they crit at normal melee attack levels (approximate to everything else-- see post #103) in-game (although more with 4T9). Also, Rip uptime is really, really low.

Edit: submitted issue on issue tracker.

Thanks for the issue, Allev. I'll make sure we follow up.

There is an inherent weakness in our scale factor generation (other than those associated with simulation) in the area of cap'd stats. If we start above the cap or too close to zero, it can have odd results.

Or...... It could just be that my experiments with smaller stat deltas are biting me on the arse.

Either way, we'll track it down.

EDIT: Expertise Rating scale delta was too large. Reducing it and adding enchant_hit_rating=-16 brought the profiles in line. I believe I need to do two things: (1) Add a "scale_cap[STAT_MAX]" that corresponds with "scales_with[STAT_MAX]". Then I can make a good decision about when to use negative deltas, positive deltas, or +/- bracketing. (2) While it is convenient from a report generation point of view to just throw 30 profiles into the mix and let it run on one of the 32x or 64x servers, I believe it is introducing unnecessary variance in the scale factor generation. I need to re-think my auto-generation of the SampleOutput.

EDIT2: Rip ticks are not getting crit-suppressed. I'll have both issues resolved tonight. It will require a few architectural changes, but I just need to solve it once and then all classes benefit.

EDIT3: Both Rip ticks and scale factors fixed in r3475. I'll be putting out a new release soon.

EDIT4: I've updated the T9 wiki...... results are better but still not perfect. (See my #2 in the first edit.) Release is still another day away. I'm delaying to *gasp* ship a graphic user interface. (but don't tell anyone yet)