SimulationCraft - for fur and feather wearers - Page 17

Furion · 01/21/10, 8:41 AM

Is simcraft currently able to line up cooldowns in an optimal way? For example saving the haste pot for trinket procs during bloodlust or synchronizing berserk with trinket(or even ashen verdict ring) internal cds (as long as it won't reduce your total amount of berserks during the fight)?

Allev · 01/21/10, 10:49 AM

You'd have to create a formulaic definition of exactly what you'd want, first. You can conditionally use "if=buff.mjolnir_runestone.up" and the like, although you'd also have to coordinate your attack cycle to work so that you're at full energy. Sadly, a formula for allowable periods to Berserk doesn't have an "easy" solution, although I think it's possible to have one.

Furion · 01/23/10, 5:41 AM

Originally Posted by Allev

Sadly, a formula for allowable periods to Berserk doesn't have an "easy" solution, although I think it's possible to have one.

Well I guess we gotta start somewhere.
"actions+=/speed_potion,if=buff.bloodlust.up"
was an easy dps increase, however
"actions+=/speed_potion,if=buff.bloodlust.up&(buff.deathbringers_will.up|buff.bloodlust.remains< =15)"
yielded a little less dps and I wonder why.

"actions+=/berserk_cat,time_to_die>=180,energy>=80,energy<=90
actions+=/berserk_cat,time_to_die<=180,energy>=80,energy<=90,if=buff.deathbringers_will.up"
Figured I'd start with this as it seemed to be a rather simple rule but it only yielded 6 dps more which seems low but I guess this might be due to the haste proc being useless for berserk. If that kind of DPS increase is all we get on average for finetuning cooldown usage with BiS gear it seems hardly worth the bother.

Starfox · 01/23/10, 8:00 AM

Originally Posted by Furion

Well I guess we gotta start somewhere.
"actions+=/speed_potion,if=buff.bloodlust.up"
was an easy dps increase, however
"actions+=/speed_potion,if=buff.bloodlust.up&(buff.deathbringers_will.up|buff.bloodlust.remains< =15)"
yielded a little less dps and I wonder why.

"actions+=/berserk_cat,time_to_die>=180,energy>=80,energy<=90
actions+=/berserk_cat,time_to_die<=180,energy>=80,energy<=90,if=buff.deathbringers_will.up"
Figured I'd start with this as it seemed to be a rather simple rule but it only yielded 6 dps more which seems low but I guess this might be due to the haste proc being useless for berserk. If that kind of DPS increase is all we get on average for finetuning cooldown usage with BiS gear it seems hardly worth the bother.

actions+=/speed_potion,if=buff.bloodlust.up&(buff.deathbringers_will.up|buff.bloodlust.remains<=15)

Well, this line just optimises speed potion use to the maximum I think, by waiting up to 25 seconds to see if a trinketproc happens

Furion · 01/23/10, 11:57 AM

Originally Posted by Starfox

actions+=/speed_potion,if=buff.bloodlust.up&(buff.deathbringers_will.up|buff.bloodlust.remains<=15)

Well, this line just optimises speed potion use to the maximum I think, by waiting up to 25 seconds to see if a trinketproc happens

That's exactly what I thought as well however simcraft reports a 4 dps loss over just using:

actions+=/speed_potion,if=buff.bloodlust.up

I'm currently testing with this profile:

druid=BiS
level=80
race=Tauren
talents=http://www.wowarmory.com/talent-calc.xml?cid=11&tal=0000000000000000000000000000550202032322010053120030313511203503012000000000000000000
glyphs=shred/rip/savage_roar
actions=flask,type=endless_rage
actions+=/food,type=hearty_rhino
actions+=/cat_form
actions+=/auto_attack
actions+=/snapshot_stats
actions+=/speed_potion,if=buff.bloodlust.up
actions+=/faerie_fire_feral,debuff_only=1
actions+=/tigers_fury,energy<=30,berserk=0
actions+=/berserk_cat,time_to_die>=195,energy>=80,energy<=90
actions+=/berserk_cat,time_to_die<=195,energy>=80,energy<=90,if=buff.deathbringers_will.up
actions+=/savage_roar,cp>=1,savage_roar<=1
actions+=/rip,cp>=5,time_to_die>=6
actions+=/savage_roar,time_to_die>=9,cp>=3,if=buff.savage_roar.remains<=8&dot.rip.remains-buff.savage_roar.remains>=-3
actions+=/ferocious_bite,cp>=5,time_to_die<=6
actions+=/ferocious_bite,cp>=4,time_to_die<=1
actions+=/ferocious_bite,cp>=5,rip>=8,savage_roar>=11
actions+=/shred,extend_rip=1,rip<=4,savage_roar>=3
actions+=/mangle_cat,mangle<=1
actions+=/rake,time_to_die>=9
actions+=/shred,if=(buff.combo_points.stack<=4|dot.rip.remains>=0.8)&dot.mangle.remains>=0&dot.rake.remains>=0.4&(energy>=80|buff.omen_of_clarity.up|dot.rip.remains<=2|buff.berserk.up|cooldown.tigers_fury.remains<=3)
actions+=/shred,time_to_die<=9
actions+=/shred,cp<=0,savage_roar<=2
head=sanctified_lasherweave_headguard,stats=564armor_196ap_114crit_106arpen_183agi_183sta,gems=relentless_earthsiege_20arpen_8agi,enchant=50ap_20crit
neck=sindragosas_cruel_claw,stats=120ap_60haste_68arpen_102agi_102sta,gems=20arpen
shoulders=sanctified_lasherweave_shoulderpads,stats=521armor_165ap_90crit_82arpen_136agi_136sta,gems=20arpen_4agi,enchant=40ap_15crit
chest=sanctified_lasherweave_raiment,stats=694armor_212ap_122crit_106arpen_183agi_183sta,gems=20arpen_10hit_10exp_6agi,enchant=10str_10agi_10sta_10int_10spi
waist=astrylians_sutured_cinch,stats=391armor_181ap_90crit_74arpen_120agi_136sta,gems=34arpen_34arpen_34arpen
legs=sanctified_lasherweave_legguards,stats=608armor_212ap_106exp_122arpen_183agi_183sta,gems=20arpen_20hit_6agi,enchant=75ap_22crit
feet=frostbitten_fur_boots,stats=477armor_181ap_90crit_74arpen_120agi_136sta,gems=20arpen_20arpen,enchant=12crit_12hit
wrists=toskks_maximized_wristguards,stats=304armor_120ap_60crit_68arpen_102agi_102sta,gems=20hit_4agi,enchant=50ap
hands=aldrianas_gloves_of_secrecy,stats=434armor_165ap_74haste_90arpen_128agi_136sta,gems=20arpen_20arpen,enchant=20hit
finger1=ashen_band_of_endless_vengeance,stats=135ap_59hit_59crit_88agi_84sta,gems=10hit_10exp_4agi,enchant=40ap,equip=onattackhit_480ap_1.667%_10dur_60cd
finger2=band_of_the_bone_colossus,stats=120ap_62hit_65haste_102agi_102sta,gems=20arpen,enchant=40ap
trinket1=deathbringers_will,stats=167arpen
trinket2=herkuml_war_token,stats=153haste,equip=onattackhit_17ap_20stack_10dur
back=sylvanas_cunning,stats=182armor_114ap_65crit_57arpen_97agi_97sta,gems=20arpen_8ap,enchant=23haste
main_hand=distant_land,stats=244ap_122crit_122haste_159agi_147sta,gems=20arpen_10str_10agi_10sta_10int_10spi_20hit,enchant=berserking,weapon=staff_2.40speed_625min_938max
ranged=idol_of_the_crying_moon

Latas · 01/26/10, 4:49 AM

Is Owlkin Frenzy properly modeled and if such how do I simulate constant damage auras like Lana'thels shroud of sorrow?

dedmonwakeen · 01/26/10, 8:49 AM

Originally Posted by Latas

Is Owlkin Frenzy properly modeled and if such how do I simulate constant damage auras like Lana'thels shroud of sorrow?

You can model damage with the "damage" raid event, but Owlkin Frenzy is not yet modeled. I skipped that talent because I didn't think it triggered on AoE-ish damage.

Grond · 01/26/10, 10:21 AM

Originally Posted by Odas

The DPR of shred (335) is close to that of Rawr's prediction. I assume that is because Rawr uses all extra energy on shreds? Is that an accurate assumption for empirical results?" question.

Imo no.

The gain from using a clearcast for Shred is less the the DPS lost from letting Rake, Rip, Mangle or Savage Roar drop.

Between the short timers on Mangle and Rake and waiting on the GCD it is not accurate to assume you can always Shred.

Latas · 01/26/10, 10:46 AM

Originally Posted by dedmonwakeen

You can model damage with the "damage" raid event, but Owlkin Frenzy is not yet modeled. I skipped that talent because I didn't think it triggered on AoE-ish damage.

Usually it doesn't proc off of a lot of the things you would think it should and does off the things you think it shouldn't. However Lana'thel's aura actually does proc it and gives it nice uptime, such that it's worth picking up at least for that fight.

chetal · 02/01/10, 5:09 PM

Is there a simple way to add hysteria to an action list of someone who is not a blood dk?

I have tried many things and cannot seem to get this to work. I basically want to find out who in our guild hysteria would be best to give with some data to back it up.

The order would generally go druids then warriors but based on gear I think it may be better to give to our warriors.

Starfox · 02/01/10, 8:35 PM

Originally Posted by chetal

Is there a simple way to add hysteria to an action list of someone who is not a blood dk?

I have tried many things and cannot seem to get this to work. I basically want to find out who in our guild hysteria would be best to give with some data to back it up.

The order would generally go druids then warriors but based on gear I think it may be better to give to our warriors.

Well, you can do for example:
You have a file with all the profiles
HysteriaTest

HysteriaTestProfile1.simc
...
HysteriaTestProfileN.simc

And then play around a bit with Death_Knight_T9_51_00_20.simc and do the following

#reference w/o hyst
HysteriaTestProfile1.simc
name=Player1

#same profile, different name, will get hysteria
HysteriaTestProfile1.simc
name=Player1_Hysteria

Death_Knight_T9_51_00_20.simc
name=Hysteria1
quiet=1
actions=/sequence,wait_on_ready=1:wait,sec=20:hysteria,target=Player1_Hysteria
actions+=/restart_sequence
#repeat

#reference w/o hyst
HysteriaTestProfileN.simc
name=PlayerN

#same profile, different name, will get hysteria
HysteriaTestProfileN.simc
name=PlayerN_Hysteria

Death_Knight_T9_51_00_20.simc
name=HysteriaN
quiet=1
actions=/sequence,wait_on_ready=1:wait,sec=20:hysteria,target=PlayerN_Hysteria
actions+=/restart_sequence

With quiet=1 those dummy-DK's won't show up in reports and their action list is set up so the first Hysteria is cast 20s into the fight, debuffs should be up, tanks lead on threat with MD/TotT etc.
A bit more work than a simple 'gets_hysteria'-flag, but way more customisable.

Latas · 02/01/10, 11:35 PM

While you mentioned that Owlkin Frenzy wasn't modeled yet, I was wondering if there were any plans to model it now given it's usefulness in ICC.

Starfox · 02/02/10, 9:38 PM

Downloads - simulationcraft - Project Hosting on Google Code
332-0 is up
I read in the moonkin thread that they actually removed all partial resists from 4T10 balance, sorry for noticing it too late, will be in the next release.
EU server just went down, I'll do some runs tomorrow and update the first post.

Latas · 02/02/10, 11:08 PM

Originally Posted by Starfox

Downloads - simulationcraft - Project Hosting on Google Code
332-0 is up
I read in the moonkin thread that they actually removed all partial resists from 4T10 balance, sorry for noticing it too late, will be in the next release.
EU server just went down, I'll do some runs tomorrow and update the first post.

So the numbers we get currently with 4t10 on simc are actually lower than we should be getting?

Also I noticed while poking around in the druid.cpp file that 2 schools of magic are specified for languish. Even though an arcane spell crit can proc it, it is always a nature dot.

Nassam · 02/03/10, 8:00 AM

line for oathbinder, charge of the ranger-general:

main_hand=oathbinder_charge_of_the_rangergeneral,stats=231ap_99crit_115arpen_173sta_157agi,gems=20arpen_20arpen,enchant=mongoose,weapon=polearm_3.60speed_895min_1344max

just change gems/enchant
(ilvl 271 = normal mode)