We had him to 52% after first heart so I guess its possible that rip might have been left, however i also just use rip at the beginning of the heart and nuke through the rest with berzerk and shred spam, right before it leaves I FB so that i dont have wasted rip ticks. Either way, something is buggy cause this is the second boss over the course of 2 days where i havent been able to rip for some strange reason. Even if rip was active, i should be able to overwrite it. ( Yes i know not to). Its not affecting my overall damage too much since its only been on Heart and Razorscale during phase 1. Ill keep my eye out tonight no ignis, kalogarn and auriaya.

Wait for level 80. Simply put, it expects you to have Shred (Rank 9), which you do not have.

I'm only commenting on this b/c of the immense popularity of Tossk's website. It still lists ArPen noticeably inferior to agility as a stat, which considerably affects the gear/armor ranking. Is his algorithm just wrong?

This!
You should also make sure that rake is reapplied the second you leave. This can be tricky, but usually, having so many predictable events forcing you to move, there is usually still a 3 to 5 second time frame in case you don't stand right at the edge of the hitbox and run straight away. This also helps to drain you energy. Oh and don't forget the Moonfire/Wrath .

I still can't think of a way to generalize movement for simulation purposes. However, with your approach, we can find something like a 'movement cap'. Movement just changes the percentages of our abilities and as naive as I am, I guess it should raise bleed dmg and lower direct dmg, since dots are dealing dmg while you are not able to strike your enemy. Obviously, there is a bleed cap around the maximun rip duration (without the shred glyph). So we would need to find out at what time Agility gets better than ArP (if ever). However, this might include changing the algorithm quite a bit depending on the time you stay away. Additionally, having both bleeds up maximizes the chance you get back with an OOC proc (2t8). The reapplication of rake should ensure you leave with at least 1cp up. This is important. In case SR runs out you can use that 1+X cp(s) to get it up again when you start running towards the mob again to further optimize energy regeneration, because you can get back to 100% before being in range again. This way you get back with SR and OOC up.

Is your algorithm based upon 2t8?

Well, these are just some quick thoughts in the morning, but we might actually be able to investigate this further.

@Allev and Monfalaris:
Well actually it's not obvious what is the best route before a movement phase, introducing movement was easy, making algoritm based on it, require some extra work that I will surerly do, but it takes free time to dedicate to it.

What I usually do:
Using my suggestion frame/simulator algoritm you have the following things:

chocing between rip/FB/SR:
If the suggester tells you to FB, it's always better to FB also if you will move, because FB is considered as an energy dump so if FB pop up on suggestion frame it means that if you reapply rip you will lose dps also considering a full rip duration.
If the suggester doesn't show FB and you have rip ticking you should try to reapply it "at last second" if SR timer is enough or simply reapply -> generate CPs and save them to pop up SR when you came back. In the same way if it show SR, you usually look at SR timer vs. moving time. If SR will last enough I'll simply FB or RIP (if it's down).

Also in the last seconds before moving you obviosly don't want to micromanage energy.

I'll try out different routes and put them into a simulator, so we will see the results.


@Carlos:
With my simulations you only need about 250 Arpen to make arpen better than agility.

@Nightcrowler - the addon has been working great for the most part...

I did notice something odd last night on Razorscale last night. For some reason after the first ground phase the addon wouldn't suggest shred anymore. It always suggested mangle despite me being behind Razorscale during the next ground phase and mangle was already up. It wasn't a big deal, im not a braindead idiot, i shredded anyways. I made sure that mangle bot was not checked (No arms warrior, I was only feral druid), I just found it odd, and maybe worthy of a bug report. If you need any more information ill try to provide it when i can.

Also, i may be dropping a point out of feral agression, to pick up another talent. Do i need to edit anything? I saw your code appears to be looking at that automatically now (via GetTalentInfo(2,2)) instead of having to manually setting it. Is that correct?

@mekell:
first of all, thanks for your bug report, actually I don't know what is the reason for that bug, it happened also to me, I've done Razor yesterday so I can't check it again for a week, the code seems fine.
The only things I can think about is a "Blizzard side bug", basically to check for shreding attack, instead of using talent info, I've used a function to get the energy cost of the different abilities, if shred.energy>42 the addon switch to mangle usage. It could be that Razor has a bug (or undiscovered mechanincs) that make shred cost more than 42 energy in the last phase. I'll try to put energy cost on my chat frame and register those event the next week. In in the meantime there is any feral druids who know something about lua code and want to test it, he/she will be welcome.

As for feral aggression at the moment it auto-test and choce the cycle based on your talent spec. There are still some talents (and I'll not change it at the moment) that are considered mandatory.


Mandatory talents are:
omen of clarity
primal fury
primal precision (only for cats and if not hit/expertise capped)
King of the Jungle (only for cats)
mangle
rend and tear
berserk

You also need to be level 80.

First off, terrific addon. I have a couple of questions regarding gear including Idols.

Does the above imply that at some magic number of Armor Pen, the RIP Idol surpasses the Shred Idol in terms of effectiveness?

You list BiS Shoulders from page 1 in this thread as Valorous Dreamwalker Shoulderpads, yet the link provided for gear ranking (also from page 1 of this thread), lists Concealment Shoulderpads with a higher score? The Concealment Shoulderpads have an equip bonus of 45 Armor Pen, while the Valorous Dreamwalker Shoulderpads' equip bonus Armor Pen is 30, but with a +16 Armor Pen gem, making it's Armor Pen higher, albeit by a single point.

Next, the Frosted Adroit Handguards are listed as the BiS gloves (from page 1 in this thread). I have both these gloves as well as Valorous Dreamwalker Handgrips with a +16 Armor Pen gem. From experience my DPS is always higher while wearing the Valorous Dreamwalker Handgrips. Any idea why that is?

Our guild downed Kologarn the other day, hurray! I'm not sure if you're familiar with the fight, but Shred isn't an option at any time in that encounter as you're never really considered behind the Arm or Torso. Would a cycle that ignores prompting for Shred a possibility for FBN?

The last item I have I suspect is more of a bug on Blizzard's part. I'm wondering exactly how effective the 2 piece T7 set bonus is. With no T7 pieces equipped, cursor over Rip in the spellbook. My results for that are as follows.

No Set Pieces - 3908 damage over 16 seconds or 3908 / 16 = 244.25 dps

2 T7 Set Pieces - 3881 damage over 20 seconds or 3881 / 20 = 194.05 dps.

That can't be correct, can it?

Anyway, great addon and I look forward to some of the promised improvements! Keep up the good work.

Links given don't properly evaluate set bonuses. 2T7 adds 2 ticks to rip, pure DPS win. The best pre-Ulduar set has 2T7 in the slots where you lose the least. There are 226-level chest, legs, and gloves, and only 213-level alternatives to tier gear for head and shoulders. So, 2T7 with head and shoulders is a gimme pre-Ulduar.

Once you have access to 2T8, this will be your best use of whichever slots you get them in first, but the jury's still out on 4T8 versus 2T7 versus BiS offset gear, partly because we don't have a complete list of the available offset gear.

That was the last question posed in my post. Does the set bonus simply added 4 seconds to Rip without adding an additional damage component. The tooltip on either the set piece(s) or when you place the cursor over Rip (either on the spellbar or in the spellbook) doesn't seem to indicate any additional damage being done over those extra 4 seconds over and above what the ability delves for in 16 seconds.

If the tooltip in either place read +4 seconds with an additional 25% in damage, then I would agree with you, pure DPS win. If however the set bonus takes the set amount of damage advertised and spreads it out over 20 seconds instead of 16 seconds, that would actually be a DPS loss, hence my original question.

Interesting results found in Official 3.1 changes and discussion indicating that it is possible to reduce target armor below zero and continue increasing damage. This should make it worth stacking both trinkets as well as ArP gems.