The Pendulum of Infinity as the neck and Brann's Sealing Ring over [Loop of the Agile]. 4t8 using [Embrace of the Gladiator] as the offset piece and the Dark Matter instead of [Blood of the Old God]. I believe everything else is correct.

I'm getting 8419 from Rawr(with all buffs/debuffs.)


Edit: Just saw the post right before mine and are you completely sure about the Dark Edge being better than the Dreambinder?

Rawr 2.2.5: For people who doesn't have a manglebot, the value of 2t7 and 4t8 bonus falls. We have:

Head [Mimiron's Flight Goggles]

Neck Pendulum of Infinity (Armory)

Shoulders [Conqueror's Nightsong Shoulderpads]

Chest [Embrace of the Gladiator]

Waist [Soul-Devouring Cinch]

Legs [Conqueror's Nightsong Legguards]

Feet [Footpads of Silence]

Wrist [Fluxing Energy Coils]

Hands [Conqueror's Nightsong Handgrips]

Finger1 [Cindershard Ring]

Finger2 Brann's Signet Ring

Trinket1 [Blood of the Old God]

Trinket2 [Mjolnir Runestone]

Back [Drape of the Faceless General]

MainHand [Dreambinder]

Ranged [Idol of Worship]

Arpen gems and Executioner as weapon enchant. No profession bonus.
Theoretycal DPS: 8276.112

Edit: Hum, three posts while writing.

I agree with the pendulum being better. Also, I'm almost positive The World of Warcraft Armory is much better as the nonset piece while using 4pc T8. No one seems to even know about it, though. It also means the gear set should be the same as the above post except with these legs, T8 chest, T8 helm, and Brann's Sealing ring over Cindershard if I did it correctly.

Boevis states on the previous page:

Yet the edited OP states:

Disregarding the point about higher armor, which is correct? If we are supposed to wait until BiS, is that Naxx25 BiS, or Ulduar BiS? Or does the 350/200 ArPen guideline still stand?

Edit: found a mistake in my math, worthless post now :-/

You are taking Boevis's quote out of context. He was responding to the value of ArP in relation to the lack of Sunders. Whether this is correct or not remains to be seen, but the quotes refer to different conditions.

In bear form, FFF usage is for threat and there's no reason that you shouldn't use it on cooldown, provided the GCD won't make you miss a mangle opportunity. There are hard numbers that have been discussed explaining why you would want to do so. I'm positive it's discussed in one of the threads in the druid section.

ok i miss understood the ability. I thought the threat was active for the whole 5 min duration of the spell. As I re-read it i see how you would need to keep appliying it.

If you're taking neither 2pc tier 7 nor 4pc tier 8, you'll probably be taking the three non-set level 239 armor pieces:
[Shoulderpads of the Intruder]
[Embrace of the Gladiator]
Legguards of Cunning Deception

However, I am fairly certain the reduced value of 4pc tier 8 without a mangle-bot is just an artifact of Rawr's modeling, as I can see no reason why it would actually be the case. (In fact, Rawr gives that set bonus a negative value when I uncheck mangle, which makes no sense whatsoever.)

Could you possibly give a non-JC BiS list? I don't want to drop skinning and go JC with the upcoming nerf :P.

I've tried compiling the code myself but it comes back with a mess of errors.

Cheers.

This is true of 2pc T7 too (i.e. suggesting breaking the bonus with some of the 226 items), which in practice is not really true.

I have been trying to time Grim toll procs with my Tiger's fury usage to get the most out of each. Have you considered using a timer in your addon for grim toll procs and save a TF for each one, or would the benefit be negligible? Seems a little bit of a waste to use a trinket just for hit rating and being energy starved for a proc.

Considering Grim Toll has a 45s internal cooldown (average 50s activation) and TF is 30s, I see very little benefit from trying to synch them every time. Just synchronize everything for your first berserk, and that's the best you can do.

I see that you updated the BiS for cats (Dark Edge is weapon now instead of Lotrafen), under what basis is this new set better than the last one?

Further discovered hard mode loot, armor pen capped at 100%

You will have to use 1 blue and 1 yellow gem. Gem everything ArPen except:
[Drape of the Faceless General] (deadly)
[Footpads of Silence] [Enchanted Tear]

The post said BiS was JC Back+Chest. Consider Back+Chest+Boots:
Old prismatics:
+14 AGI socket bonus. 7 gems socketed ArPen (3 Dragon's Eyes) = 145 ArPen.
My gemming would give you:
+12 AGI bonus. +14 AGI +8 CRIT +6 STR +3 Dragon's Eyes +2 ArPen = 113 ArPen

Using the stat weights posted:
So 32 (970) ArPen vs. 14 AGI 8 CRIT 6 STR (653=350+160+143). 970-653=317 or 10.5 ArPen. The JC nerf is about a 11 ArPen loss. The profession is still twice as good as any other (except BS).

Edit: Using enchanted tear. Also note that the nerf hits feral tanks much, much harder.

Yes, I could've been clearer. The current best gemming was back+chest, but I chose back+boots for after the nerf. The union of those gear setups is back+chest+boots, and the only pieces you need to consider when calculating stat gain/loss.

Hello, I have used your addon/simulation, and I must say they are great tools. I was wondering however if you could put together a set of BiS gear that only comes from Ulduar 25? I have no intention of running 10-Man Ulduar, so it would be nice to have a BiS gear list for people who do not run 10-Man Ulduar. Thanks.

You say that at about 350 ArPen with RIP idol and 200 ArPen with Shred idol, ArPen becames a better stats than agility.

To me I read that as: at 200 ArPen with Shred idol, an ADDITIONAL point of ArPen will be better than an additional point of Agility.

Does that mean that total 200 ArPen is better than 200 Agi though? As in, if I could gem such as to get 200 ArPen or 200 Agi, which would be better?

200 additional ArmPen will be better then 200 additional Agility in just about all situations.

The breaking point as you quoted is @ 200 ArmPen if you are using the Shred Idol, then for every point of ArmPen gained it is more dps then a point of Agility gained at that same setup. As you get ever increasing values of ArmPen, every single point thereafter becomes more and more dps efficient due to how ArmPen stacks.

As night pointed out 566 is the soft cap for ArmPen, in which if you have one of the ArmPen trinkets, you gain "less" from each point of ArmPen again then from Agi above the soft cap. At that point stacking Agi becomes preferable.

Looking at your armory however you are probably gemmed correctly for your gear as your only ArmPen comes from your wrists and ring and nowhere else ( netting you 75 ArmPen unless I missed something ). At that low of a level of ArmPen from gear, gemming Agi is worth more to you due to the fact that even if you completely gem ArmPen in all your sockets you wont be able to break 200 ArmPen.

I would wait till gear + gems >= 200 before you bother to regem, because at that point you should see more benefit from re-gemming.

Why is the soft cap at 566 armor penetration rating? My calculation said, that 566 + 612 armor penetration rating isn't 100% armor reduction, it is just 95,651%. Doesn't lie the soft cap at 100% armor reduction?
100% = X + 612 rating
X = ~ 619 rating

The Mjolnir Runestone's proc gives 665 armor penetration rating. The item's tooltip is in error.