Vaccine: Normally I would agree with you, I find the feral rotation fun in itself. When I have to pay attention to other things in the raid, even missing one warning, it becomes a burden instead of fun.

So I should've been asking for Hysteria all this time? Do cats get more utility out of it than say, a rogue?

And are there any other cooldowns I should be getting from the raid?

Hysteria increases your physical damage by 20%. Because rogues do damage via poisons, they do not get 100% of that bonus. Warriors are as far as I know the only other class that does, but ferals have another bonus: while warriors don't stack their small buff with hysteria, druids do stack berserk with hysteria. That means normally ferals are the best target of hysteria in the sense that they'll get the most out of it.

Tricks of the trade doesn't do anything like that compared, but because ferals do so much damage they're often a good target for it.

But yes, you really should be asking for hysteria if at all possible.

I was just pointing that you would see ferals on top of vezax if there wasn't shadow crash. Long fights will lower RNG variance.

They SHOULD use this data to balance classes. Leaving one class noticeably higher in base dps but then balancing with encounter design is poor practice. For one thing, it limits encounter diversity. While fights with long dps times with no movement is generally boring, outright eliminating that possibility is a bad idea. Plus, you can't count on the encounter design people to catch every class balance issue. You actually might see this with Freya+3 in the coming weeks. While actually dpsing down the waves is probably the easiest path now, people might find another creative way around by doing a couple waves and then stacking a lot of high dps classes.

Doing something like lowering savage roar to 20% but putting rake back in primal gore(personal request of mine so agi will be top stat again) might solve a whole lot of present and future problems. That and my RnT suggestion.

I think that is more to do with how various classes interact with the haste debuff.

not sure how most of your set-up's are for Gen V, but in our 25, we use a DK MT, which then takes the entire movement piece out of the picture, and it becomes a pure DPS race for all our melee. the interesting thing is, that I average 6.8k dps ( unless I have a warrior spamming Trauma, then it jumps to 7.8k not having to mangle) and top the meters, but the rogues are a very close 2nd and 3rd. I charge this to the fact that there responsibility (again in OUR strat) is along with warriors to disrupt / kick the aoe he does, so they fall slightly behind due to saving energy for said kick. All in all, after the past 2 weeks performances by me in kitty spec, and the addition of another DK to our guild raiding roster, I have all but solidified my slot in the 25-man's as a DPS only class. I really hope that they do not adjust anything, because it truly is fun to partake in the DPS side of raiding after having been soley a tank for past 3 years.

BTW, thank you for the hystaria justification. Past two weeks they have been passing it out to one of the 2 rogues in our raid, but you just gave me ammo to have it placed on me and hopefully tomarrow, with that, break the 8k mark for the first time personally.

I'm with Vinen here. I'd love to see logs of 6.8k on Vezax while mangling, not to mention the 7.8k log. I'm hovering around 6.4-6.7k but I don't get Hysteria/ToTT in my guild (don't ask me why, I have no idea).

Edit: @Skibo - You should consider dropping [Glyph of Rip] for [Glyph of Savage Roar]. You'd probably see higher DPS.

He should be dropping Glyph of Mangle for Glyph of Savage Roar.

And skibo, this is the wws thread, not throw out approximations of dps without proof thread. 6.8 and 7.8 are both extremely high and your gear does not support such statements, seeing as how the simulated DPS of BiS Ulduar gear has us at 7.8k dps. If you can prove that such numbers are true then we could stand to learn about what you're doing.

Edit-Heh, just realized this is in fact NOT the wws thread and is actually the FBN thread. Still, need proof.

Manglebot just isn't worth 1000dps. And 6800 seems awful high...I'm around 6k with a similar gear level.

On Vesax i ca do 6,2k DPS without Hysteria/Tricks and my gear is mostly 10 man hardmode gear (which is not that bad!) and 2T8, 2T7. I dont think 7,8 is possible w/o Hyst/Tricks..

On XT Hardmode i'm at ~7,2k DPS with Hysteria and Manglebot..

Using the WMO meters, i see the top feral on Gen Vezax at 6961 DPS:
WoW Meter Online - Combatlog Replay in Engrish

And he was getting 4 times Hysteria from 2 different DK's. Of course no Trick of the Trade, as this was probably given to casters.

If skibo manages to make 7.8k then I will congratulate him to be the best feral in the world, I guess ^^

What compilers are people using for Nightcrowler's code? I tried Visual C++ Express, but I'm getting runtime errors(I included the mtrand.h and .cpp file).

I haven't been able to run it when I compiled it with my Visual Studio 8.0 Professional either. I asked the same question a while back and someone suggested increasing stack to overcome this error. I tried it (even with additional memory tweaks) but it didn't help at all. It's because the whole simulation is essentially one really huge function which is rather uncommon and VS does not cope with it well.

Try gcc, it might be able to compile the simulation.

I was able to build it in Visual Studio 2008 using the Win32 template under Visual C++. I am not much of a coder, but if you need further information let me know.

From first set of 3.2 PTR notes:
The about percentile reductions are lame until we see how the spell shows up exactly. So if Mangle is reduced by about 11% for the baseline does that apply to the 200% weapon damage or the 634 static addition or both in some combination?

And based on the comment about "Scaling from attack power unchanged" does that mean that the 7% reduction on Rake only applies to the +190 part of the formula (for the initial hit) and the AP/100 portion stays the same? If so then will we even notice a change in our DPS?

I know they only wanted to do a minor adjustment but this seems almost negligible. Unless of course I'm completely retarded.

Regarding the preliminary patchnotes:

Quick Napkin Math indicates a nerf of 3-4 % (with BiS pre-ulduar gear) to our yellow attacks (except bite):

Mangle 96.82 %
Shred 97.03 %
Rake 97.12 %
Rip 96.92 %
Swipe 96.15 %

Resulting in about 98.21 % DPS in comparison to pre-patch numbers or a nerf down to 6900 DPS, minus 125 DPS.

It's about the same with BiS ulduar gear (a little less actually) because it has almost the same AP as pre-ulduar gear has.

DPS loss with BiS ulduar gear will be around 138 (down to about 7740). Keep in mind this is only a rough estimate.

It should also (very slightly) increase AP, Str and Agi scaling in comparison to other stats.

So essentially, business carries on as usual, continue stacking ArP up to the soft cap, keep the same rotation priorities, etc etc. I'm actually pleasantly surprised we didn't see some sweeping changes with some of the rhetoric used in the past to reference "slight" or "minor adjustments."

I have a question concerning FBN mod. I have been using it for quite some time.
But one thing I noticed is that it sometimes delays Rake usage. I just wanna know why. Sometimes FBN suggests using Rake about 1 or 2 seconds later (I did not stop the exact time) although there is no spell with a higher priority, energy is sufficient and Rake Dot is down. Why does that happen? Many times I just use Rake earlier than the mod suggests. Should I stop doing this? If so why is it higher DPS to sometimes delay your Rake usage?

what about for the people NOT in BIS gear? A nerf to base damage looks like it would have a much more detrimental effect on the intro-level raiders that aren't geared out to the teeth...

That's BiS pre-Ulduar gear.

The effect will be more pronounced on raiders as they have worse gear. But it's still not going to be a huge amount no matter what.

I don't really understand why they nerfed it, but oh well. A whopping 140 dps isn't going to make a difference compared to pure dps. The overall damage may be lower, but the dps will still be up there.

...anyone know what that means exactly? Does it mean it's going to behave like the Idol of Terror and only have an 85% proc chance? Or is it just saying you can't have both buffs at the same time because people may have been idol swapping?