FeralbyNight (Cat & Bear simulation tool) - Page 43

Mijae · 05/27/09, 12:07 PM

Originally Posted by cwbelsomjr

Disregarding the point about higher armor, which is correct? If we are supposed to wait until BiS, is that Naxx25 BiS, or Ulduar BiS? Or does the 350/200 ArPen guideline still stand?

You are taking Boevis's quote out of context. He was responding to the value of ArP in relation to the lack of Sunders. Whether this is correct or not remains to be seen, but the quotes refer to different conditions.

Sylvaneart · 05/27/09, 3:00 PM

This add-on and sim are great. I am having a problem with the add-on. When in bear form it says to use FFF nonstop. Even though it is on the enemy and i have FFF sugest turned off.

ithecho84 · 05/27/09, 4:05 PM

Originally Posted by Sylvaneart

This add-on and sim are great. I am having a problem with the add-on. When in bear form it says to use FFF nonstop. Even though it is on the enemy and i have FFF sugest turned off.

In bear form, FFF usage is for threat and there's no reason that you shouldn't use it on cooldown, provided the GCD won't make you miss a mangle opportunity. There are hard numbers that have been discussed explaining why you would want to do so. I'm positive it's discussed in one of the threads in the druid section.

Sylvaneart · 05/27/09, 4:29 PM

ok i miss understood the ability. I thought the threat was active for the whole 5 min duration of the spell. As I re-read it i see how you would need to keep appliying it.

a civilian · 05/27/09, 4:30 PM

Originally Posted by Warsur

Rawr 2.2.5: For people who doesn't have a manglebot, the value of 2t7 and 4t8 bonus falls. We have:

If you're taking neither 2pc tier 7 nor 4pc tier 8, you'll probably be taking the three non-set level 239 armor pieces:
[Shoulderpads of the Intruder]
[Embrace of the Gladiator]
Legguards of Cunning Deception

However, I am fairly certain the reduced value of 4pc tier 8 without a mangle-bot is just an artifact of Rawr's modeling, as I can see no reason why it would actually be the case. (In fact, Rawr gives that set bonus a negative value when I uncheck mangle, which makes no sense whatsoever.)

Rawf · 05/27/09, 4:46 PM

Could you possibly give a non-JC BiS list? I don't want to drop skinning and go JC with the upcoming nerf :P.

I've tried compiling the code myself but it comes back with a mess of errors.

Cheers.

• moz · 05/27/09, 4:57 PM

Originally Posted by a civilian

If you're taking neither 2pc tier 7 nor 4pc tier 8, you'll probably be taking the three non-set level 239 armor pieces:
[Shoulderpads of the Intruder]
[Embrace of the Gladiator]
Legguards of Cunning Deception

However, I am fairly certain the reduced value of 4pc tier 8 without a mangle-bot is just an artifact of Rawr's modeling, as I can see no reason why it would actually be the case. (In fact, Rawr gives that set bonus a negative value when I uncheck mangle, which makes no sense whatsoever.)

This is true of 2pc T7 too (i.e. suggesting breaking the bonus with some of the 226 items), which in practice is not really true.

Antagonist78 · 05/27/09, 5:40 PM

Assuming that the people reaching the 8k numbers are using JC/Blacksmithing as there proffessions, has anyone modeled based on the upcomming JC nerf, and the effect it's going to have?

Jezzypoo · 05/27/09, 7:38 PM

I have been trying to time Grim toll procs with my Tiger's fury usage to get the most out of each. Have you considered using a timer in your addon for grim toll procs and save a TF for each one, or would the benefit be negligible? Seems a little bit of a waste to use a trinket just for hit rating and being energy starved for a proc.

Boevis · 05/27/09, 10:47 PM

Considering Grim Toll has a 45s internal cooldown (average 50s activation) and TF is 30s, I see very little benefit from trying to synch them every time. Just synchronize everything for your first berserk, and that's the best you can do.

Computerz · 05/27/09, 11:17 PM

I see that you updated the BiS for cats (Dark Edge is weapon now instead of Lotrafen), under what basis is this new set better than the last one?

Aldhissla · 05/27/09, 11:43 PM

Further discovered hard mode loot, armor pen capped at 100%

halmmar · 05/28/09, 12:52 AM

Originally Posted by Antagonist78

Assuming that the people reaching the 8k numbers are using JC/Blacksmithing as there proffessions, has anyone modeled based on the upcomming JC nerf, and the effect it's going to have?

You will have to use 1 blue and 1 yellow gem. Gem everything ArPen except:
[Drape of the Faceless General] (deadly)
[Footpads of Silence] [Enchanted Tear]

The post said BiS was JC Back+Chest. Consider Back+Chest+Boots:
Old prismatics:
+14 AGI socket bonus. 7 gems socketed ArPen (3 Dragon's Eyes) = 145 ArPen.
My gemming would give you:
+12 AGI bonus. +14 AGI +8 CRIT +6 STR +3 Dragon's Eyes +2 ArPen = 113 ArPen

Using the stat weights posted:
So 32 (970) ArPen vs. 14 AGI 8 CRIT 6 STR (653=350+160+143). 970-653=317 or 10.5 ArPen. The JC nerf is about a 11 ArPen loss. The profession is still twice as good as any other (except BS).

Edit: Using enchanted tear. Also note that the nerf hits feral tanks much, much harder.

Aldhissla · 05/28/09, 1:37 AM

Originally Posted by halmmar

The post said BiS was JC Back+Chest. Consider Back+Chest+Boots:

I don't mean to be pedantic, but I think you mean Back + Boots. I was utterly confused looking at your numbers before I realised what you meant.

Out of curiosity I calculated if additionally socketing the chest to activate the 8 agi bonus was worth it, but it is about a 4 ArP loss given those stat weighting. Which just goes to show how powerful armor pen is once you stack enough of it (if armor pen gems did not exist and you were socketing the chest with agi instead, activating the set bonus would be a small gain of about 2 agi)

Edit: @ halmmar - Ah, I'm with you now, I saw you were comparing all 3 items but in my mind the "considered" items were which ones to gem for bonuses, as once you decide on that your dragon's eyes can go anywhere you would usually put a fractured scarlet.

halmmar · 05/28/09, 1:44 AM

Originally Posted by Aldhissla

I don't mean to be pedantic, but I think you mean Back + Boots. I was utterly confused looking at your numbers before I realised what you meant.

Yes, I could've been clearer. The current best gemming was back+chest, but I chose back+boots for after the nerf. The union of those gear setups is back+chest+boots, and the only pieces you need to consider when calculating stat gain/loss.