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Old 08/06/09, 3:36 AM   #1151
Clausm
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Борейская Тундра (EU)
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Old 08/06/09, 5:48 AM   #1152
Tauran
Glass Joe
 
Tauren Druid
 
Kil'Jaeden
Commenting out worked for me too. But i did have to download a new text editor to do it. So i figured id save somone the hassle.

Search for "FeralbyNight:BossauraMonitor()" Comment out that line, should be the first one it finds. It is the only thing on the line.

was

			FeralbyNight:CooldownMonitor()
			FeralbyNight:BossauraMonitor()
			if FeralbyNightdb.procshow then
			FeralbyNight:ProcauraMonitor()
			end
change to

			FeralbyNight:CooldownMonitor()
--			FeralbyNight:BossauraMonitor()
			if FeralbyNightdb.procshow then
			FeralbyNight:ProcauraMonitor()
			end

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Old 08/06/09, 6:20 AM   #1153
Hezkezl
Glass Joe
 
Tauren Druid
 
Vashj
Originally Posted by Tauran View Post
Commenting out worked for me too. But i did have to download a new text editor to do it. So i figured id save somone the hassle.

Search for "FeralbyNight:BossauraMonitor()" Comment out that line, should be the first one it finds. It is the only thing on the line.

was

			FeralbyNight:CooldownMonitor()
			FeralbyNight:BossauraMonitor()
			if FeralbyNightdb.procshow then
			FeralbyNight:ProcauraMonitor()
			end
change to

			FeralbyNight:CooldownMonitor()
--			FeralbyNight:BossauraMonitor()
			if FeralbyNightdb.procshow then
			FeralbyNight:ProcauraMonitor()
			end
There we go, this one worked for me. Took about 20 seconds to do, just open the .lua file up in wordpad! Major thanks Tauran I was just about to come into this thread and post the error messages I've been having, when I noticed everyone else did that as well.

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Old 08/06/09, 6:32 AM   #1154
Lokae
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Blackrock
First off, thanks to all who found the fix for this addon. Absolute godsend.

Does anyone else feel they nerfed us a bit too harshly in 3.2? I remember reading that the nerfs should result in a 2% change in dps, but I noticed a lot of fights where my dps was well below 2% of where it was in 3.1. I unfortunately don't have any WWS to share because my addons are in havok at the moment, but when the recount was posted I was rather shocked at how low my dps has dropped.

Does anyone else feel that something is amiss?

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Old 08/06/09, 10:56 AM   #1155
funnyginman
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Night Elf Druid
 
Garona
Originally Posted by Lokae View Post
First off, thanks to all who found the fix for this addon. Absolute godsend.

Does anyone else feel they nerfed us a bit too harshly in 3.2? I remember reading that the nerfs should result in a 2% change in dps, but I noticed a lot of fights where my dps was well below 2% of where it was in 3.1. I unfortunately don't have any WWS to share because my addons are in havok at the moment, but when the recount was posted I was rather shocked at how low my dps has dropped.

Does anyone else feel that something is amiss?
The changes they made to all of our abilites avg out to be more of a 5-10% dps loss from what I see. Personally I don't see it as much, but I wasn't using FBN until a week before 3.2, and I realized that my rotation was all kinds of wrong from what it should have been. Now that I've got a better handle on things, I'm still doing more dps then I was before 3.2, which makes me wonder what I could have been putting out pre patch.

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Old 08/06/09, 11:58 AM   #1156
Oiysters
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Tauren Druid
 
Kel'Thuzad
The original theory craft was that Ulduar BiS-geared cat would only lose a couple of percent. Less well geared cats were expected to lose 5%ish.

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Old 08/06/09, 12:18 PM   #1157
kbranch
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Night Elf Druid
 
Shadowsong
The theorycrafting I've done for my less than Naxx BiS feral says I lost ~1.6% DPS. All theorycrafting I've seen on the subject says pretty much the same thing, we lost 1-2% DPS. An exceptionally poorly geared feral might lose 3%. Unless somebody can come up with some kind of reason for the 5-10% claims, I'd say it's just random variation and/or psychological. Keep in mind that your DPS can vary wildly with group composition, luck, and hell, even mood.

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Old 08/06/09, 12:29 PM   #1158
lairpie
Don Flamenco
 
Night Elf Druid
 
Alterac Mountains
So, I'll admit I was very glad to see that overall I wasn't really affected to much by losing the suggester. I had sort of been afraid I was becoming too dependent on it and was glad to see the only thing I wasn't doing quite right without it was a few FBs where I shouldn't have.

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Old 08/06/09, 9:16 PM   #1159
triman
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Night Elf Druid
 
Cenarius
Originally Posted by lairpie View Post
So, I'll admit I was very glad to see that overall I wasn't really affected to much by losing the suggester. I had sort of been afraid I was becoming too dependent on it and was glad to see the only thing I wasn't doing quite right without it was a few FBs where I shouldn't have.
I was completely nonfunctional since my addons that track buffs and debuffs (basically elkanos and dotimer) were broken as well. Then facemauler rescued me ;p.

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Old 08/06/09, 10:03 PM   #1160
MtnShadow
Glass Joe
 
Worgen Druid
 
Korgath
My DPS dropped quite noticably. I don't have BiS Ulduar, but good gear, I used to fight for top Damage in 3.1, I got 11th place in one fight last night. Brought a tear to my eye. I have about 10000AP, 50% crit, 522ArmPen, hit capped and all. Did everyone else get a buff too? Is that why the range seems so different. I couldn't break 7k DPS on bosses, I was stuck around 6.8k.

MtnShadow

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Old 08/07/09, 4:12 AM   #1161
Jezzypoo
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Tauren Druid
 
Dalvengyr
They scrubbed a slight portion of our periodic damage. We will not be seeing anything near 5-10% loss. Numbers like this are most likely due to you not being comfortable with your ui. Nerf wise: Unnecessary? I think so. Game ending? Not at all.

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Old 08/07/09, 4:24 AM   #1162
nightcrowler
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Runetotem (EU)
Hi!
Sorry for being absent for so long. I've updated the addon for 3.2, it will be avaiable on curse in a few hours.

EDIT: I've just finished 3.242 version, I've found the problem (they have changed a spell id for devouring flame) so Boss mod is up again.

Big thanks for code debugging FBN while I was absent.


Change log. v.3.242
-FBN now works with patch 3.2
- Ability damage updated.

To Do:
- Add new set bonuses and trinket procs.


I'm actually on vacation near a central italy lake and I don't have a lot of time for coding, also I must use mobile phone to browse internet and the line is not good so I've also some trouble using WoW. I'll be back on 1st september.
I'll put an eye on the forum and try to do everything I can for simulator and addon to keep both (and this forum) updated. In the mean time if you can watch out and describe particular 3.2 fights (movement, buff, debuff...) it will be welcome because I'm out of raiding till september.

Thanks for the patience.

Last edited by nightcrowler : 08/07/09 at 10:47 AM.

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Old 08/07/09, 2:02 PM   #1163
Reaver2218
Glass Joe
 
Night Elf Rogue
 
Windrunner
I still cant get my FBN to work for me.. I have downloaded the new file from curse and did that manually and nothing

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Old 08/07/09, 3:12 PM   #1164
TimeOut
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Night Elf Druid
 
Zirkel des Cenarius (EU)
Since all new items from the Coliseum - including the Heroic version - were retrieved from the Armory, I tried to reach the Armor Penetration cap of 1232 without temporary buffs or trinkets.

This is the first result, most likely not the best version since I disregarded all other variables (most notably Hit and Expertise) and went straight for the Armor Penetration cap. These faults in the gear can be fixed with the free trinket slot, which is currently unused and could be used for either more hit (e.g. Blood of the Old God) or better DPS stats (most likely Death's Verdict "Heroic") as required.

The gear set below retains the 2 piece T8 bonus and is only 2 points over the Armor Penetration hard cap of 1232. Assumed professions for this set are Blacksmithing and Jewelcrafting. Items are socketed with Fractured Cardinal Rubies, 3 Fractured Dragon's Eyes, 1 Nightmare Tear and 1 Delicate Cardinal Ruby.

Slot ItemArmor PenetrationSockets
Head Conqueror's Nightsong Headguard501
Neck Collar of Ceaseless Torment401
Shoulders Conqueror's Nightsong Shoulderpads01
Chest Armor of Shifting Shadows673
Waist Relic Hunter's Cord490+1
Legs Legguards of Cunning Deception663
Feet Treads of the Icewalker "Heroic"682
Wrist Bracers of Swift Death421+1
Hands Gloves of the Silver Assassin612+1
Finger1 Planestalker Signet441
Finger2 Dexterous Brightstone Ring500
Trinket1 Banner of Victory840
Trinket2 currently unused00
Back Vereesa's Dexterity "Heroic"571
Mainhand Lupine Longstaff "Heroic"942
    
TotalArmor Penetration Rating 772422

Required food is Hearty Rhino for a additional 40 Armor Penetration rating. That brings the total amount to 1234 Armor Penetration rating which is 2 points over the hard cap of 100% at 1232 rating.

Please note: This gear set is purely experimental and needs a lot more theorycrafting and simulation data before it could be seen as a true suggestion for gearing or BiS listings. It is merely a good stepping stone and a proof that the 1232 rating required for 100% passive Armor Penetration is indeed attainable with the new instance.

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Old 08/07/09, 5:49 PM   #1165
kalbear
Bald Bull
 
Tauren Druid
 
Balnazzar
You didn't use any T9 pieces at all? That seems somewhat flawed. For instance, the shoulders ([Runetotem's Shoulderpads of Triumph]) have 68 armor pen at the 258 level.

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Old 08/07/09, 6:17 PM   #1166
Hairandear
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Night Elf Druid
 
Kul Tiras
I have no clue how to make use of code, C++, a compiler, or any such tools. Can someone point me in the right direction of a crash course, or provide simple instructions of how to make use of this simulator? I've gotten as far as loading the simulator into Visual C++, and staring at the lines of code. Thanks for any help.

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Old 08/07/09, 6:28 PM   #1167
Fasc
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Night Elf Druid
 
Ysondre
I plugged in a similar set but didn't use Relic Hunter (Pitiless Killer) and I threw in the Tier 9 shoulders and Badge helmet for good measure with the latest Rawr and got a value of 10k DPS. What was most interesting though was that Rake was no longer used in the rotation. Now with the 2-piece (which in my Rawr setup I didn't have), we'd see more DPS out of Rake with the added time, but I didn't think we'd choose to leave the ability in the dust completely.

Then again my setup with LW/JC has me at 1215 ArP. A no Rake rotation would essentially be like a Combat Rogue rotation, cycling between two finishers and sometimes a third with a single combo generating ability.

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Old 08/07/09, 6:50 PM   #1168
alarge
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Night Elf Druid
 
Vek'nilash
Originally Posted by Hairandear View Post
I have no clue how to make use of code, C++, a compiler, or any such tools. Can someone point me in the right direction of a crash course, or provide simple instructions of how to make use of this simulator? I've gotten as far as loading the simulator into Visual C++, and staring at the lines of code. Thanks for any help.
What exactly are you trying to do?

If you just want to optimize your dps cycle, the addon is quite useful (and requires no C++ compiler or knowledge of the language).

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Old 08/07/09, 9:09 PM   #1169
Starfox
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Tauren Druid
 
Destromath (EU)
Originally Posted by TimeOut View Post
Since all new items from the Coliseum - including the Heroic version - were retrieved from the Armory, I tried to reach the Armor Penetration cap of 1232 without temporary buffs or trinkets.

This is the first result, most likely not the best version since I disregarded all other variables (most notably Hit and Expertise) and went straight for the Armor Penetration cap. These faults in the gear can be fixed with the free trinket slot, which is currently unused and could be used for either more hit (e.g. Blood of the Old God) or better DPS stats (most likely Death's Verdict "Heroic") as required.

The gear set below retains the 2 piece T8 bonus and is only 2 points over the Armor Penetration hard cap of 1232. Assumed professions for this set are Blacksmithing and Jewelcrafting. Items are socketed with Fractured Cardinal Rubies, 3 Fractured Dragon's Eyes, 1 Nightmare Tear and 1 Delicate Cardinal Ruby.

Slot ItemArmor PenetrationSockets
Head Conqueror's Nightsong Headguard501
Neck Collar of Ceaseless Torment401
Shoulders Conqueror's Nightsong Shoulderpads01
Chest Armor of Shifting Shadows673
Waist Relic Hunter's Cord490+1
Legs Legguards of Cunning Deception663
Feet Treads of the Icewalker "Heroic"682
Wrist Bracers of Swift Death421+1
Hands Gloves of the Silver Assassin612+1
Finger1 Planestalker Signet441
Finger2 Dexterous Brightstone Ring500
Trinket1 Banner of Victory840
Trinket2 currently unused00
Back Vereesa's Dexterity "Heroic"571
Mainhand Lupine Longstaff "Heroic"942
    
TotalArmor Penetration Rating 772422

Required food is Hearty Rhino for a additional 40 Armor Penetration rating. That brings the total amount to 1234 Armor Penetration rating which is 2 points over the hard cap of 100% at 1232 rating.

Please note: This gear set is purely experimental and needs a lot more theorycrafting and simulation data before it could be seen as a true suggestion for gearing or BiS listings. It is merely a good stepping stone and a proof that the 1232 rating required for 100% passive Armor Penetration is indeed attainable with the new instance.
Took your list and tried to make a wowhead profile
Profiler - Wowhead
Player=Scferaldruid (feral)  DPS=8832.5 (Error=+/-8.0 Range=+/-1030)  DPR=699.3  RS=12.6/12.4  (energy)
  Origin: http://profiler.wowhead.com/?profile=11250833
  Core Stats:  strength=114(20)  agility=1368(1291)  stamina=1329(1229)  intellect=158(20)  spirit=181(20)  health=16710  mana=2090
  Spell Stats:  power=24(24)  hit=12.70%(333)  crit=8.72%(272)  penetration=0(0)  haste=8.11%(266)  mp5=0
  Attack Stats  power=7363(2137)  hit=10.16%(333)  crit=29.82%(272)  expertise=2.50%(0)  penetration=108.93%(1342)  haste=10.55%(266)
  Defense Stats:  armor=6470(3734)
  Glyphs: rip/shred/savage_roar/the_wild/unburdened_rebirth/dash
  Actions:
    ferocious_bite        Count=  8.8|33.3sec  DPE= 20796| 7%  DPET= 18084  DPR= 525.0  pDPS= 609  Miss=0.0%  Hit=10970  Crit=25061|29944|72.7%  Dodge=3.9%
    melee                 Count=425.7| 0.7sec  DPE=  2172|35%  DPET=  3087  DPR=   0.0  pDPS=3085  Miss=0.0%  Hit=1406  Crit= 3208| 3857|50.3%  Glance=1060|24.0%  Dodge=4.0%
    rake                  Count= 29.3|10.4sec  DPE=  8775|10%  DPET=  7631  DPR= 297.8  pDPS= 856  Miss=0.0%  Hit= 783  Crit= 1778| 2250|48.0%  Dodge=4.0%  TickCount=83  Tick=2671
    rip                   Count=  9.8|30.2sec  DPE= 39590|15%  DPET= 34426  DPR=1572.9  pDPS=1301  Miss=0.0%  Dodge=4.0%  TickCount=102  Tick=2241  CritTick=5093|5457|55.3%
    shred                 Count= 80.6| 3.7sec  DPE= 11094|34%  DPET=  9647  DPR= 383.9  pDPS=2982  Miss=0.0%  Hit=7030  Crit=15979|17701|48.6%  Dodge=4.0%
  Constant Buffs: cat_form
  Dynamic Buffs:
    banner_of_victory : start=6.9   refresh=0.0    interval=47.5   uptime=23%  trigger=20%
    berserk           : start=2.0   refresh=0.0    interval=183.1  uptime=10%
    deaths_choice     : start=7.0   refresh=0.0    interval=46.1   uptime=35%  trigger=35%
    omen_of_clarity   : start=23.6  refresh=0.4    interval=12.2   uptime= 3%  benefit= 5%  trigger= 6%
    savage_roar       : start=1.4   refresh=12.8   interval=138.3  uptime=100%  benefit=100%
    tigers_fury       : start=10.0  refresh=0.0    interval=30.5   uptime=16%  benefit=18%
  Up-Times:
     30.4% : berserking_mh                 
      0.6% : energy_cap                    
     80.4% : rake                          
     67.0% : rip                           
  Procs:
    137.5 |   3.10sec : combo_points
     21.1 |  16.98sec : combo_points_wasted
     53.2 |   5.62sec : primal_fury
  Gains:
      102.9 : energy_refund   
     2986.7 : energy_regen    
      951.2 : omen_of_clarity 
       15.0 : primal_precision
      603.0 : tigers_fury
Current BiS T8 feral profiles are just under 8k dps. Shred even overtakes Rake in damage per execute and damage per energy.

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Old 08/08/09, 2:08 AM   #1170
Jaerin
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Night Elf Druid
 
Antonidas
Seems like the addon is not detecting Mangle properly. I was doing mimiron tonight and it was suggesting it like crazy. I had a dps warrior and another feral druid in the group and it was still suggesting it all the time.

I have the option set to detect others mangles as well and Shred when efficient.


******NEVERMIND I'm fail

Got 10 man firefighter tonight and I noticed my dps was doing pretty bad and I kept getting mangle suggestions. Well we got it down for the first time! Went to the dummy to test out why my dps sucked so bad...still getting mangle suggestions...

I was in tank spec...the whole freaking Mimiron fight...I'm fail...we would have gotten it for the first time as a 2-shot. Our 2nd attempt we got him down to 0, 40k, 0 when we wiped. If I was in the right spec we would have easily gotten it. So fail.

Last edited by Jaerin : 08/08/09 at 3:15 AM.

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Old 08/08/09, 3:14 AM   #1171
nightcrowler
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Runetotem (EU)
It seems strange. Are you using the 3.242 version? Is the first time I heard of problem on Mimiron, are you sure that they are putting mangle debuff on your target? You can basically disable mangling checking "Check if other players keep mangle-debuff active" and putting "Prioritize Mangle" to 0. It will use mangle only if mangle debuff is expired in that way.

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Last edited by nightcrowler : 08/08/09 at 3:19 AM.

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Old 08/08/09, 7:36 AM   #1172
Szynszyla
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Troll Druid
 
Sylvanas (EU)
I had the same issue as jaerin even before patch day.

To be precise on Algalon 25 with arms warrior. Wasn't able to reproduce this bug since i'm currently mangle bot.

I tried both disabling/enabling mangle check and it didn't work.

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Old 08/08/09, 1:02 PM   #1173
Pheratia
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Tauren Druid
 
Uther
If you don't have shredding attacks talent, as most tank spec don't then it wont suggest shred unless you OOC proc or use berserk.

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Old 08/08/09, 1:59 PM   #1174
Szynszyla
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Troll Druid
 
Sylvanas (EU)
That wasn't the issue. I just tested and even with tank spec and 2/2 Shred it still suggests mangle over shred, even though i have imp.mangle 0/3

On the gear discussion topic. I could possible sit with passive 800 ArP using new ArP ToC trinket over either darkmoon or grimtoll and gemming for ArP in everyslot with still some subpar pieces. The question is, if it would be better i shall probably replace Grim toll and slowly gear towards more ArP even dropping the T8 bonuses and as someone else suggested in other thread, you can with new Coloseum gear get 100% passive ArP and hang at around 10.5k DPS.

Droping tier doesn't seem bad idea, considering that at such gear level you don't need tier bonus as you would drop rake from rotation anyway. The 4pT9 bonus is nice but pure ArP simplifies the rotation aswell.

The question is, worth to drop grim toll already and go for it or not at my current gear level.

Last edited by Szynszyla : 08/08/09 at 6:30 PM.

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Old 08/08/09, 8:33 PM   #1175
nightlily
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Night Elf Druid
 
Uther
I'm noticing a problem with mangle suggestions too, but not in cat form. When I am in bear form I am getting mangle suggested before my cooldown for mangle has worn off. It isn't a big deal, I can hold threat fine without it, but since I have FBN for DPS I tend to use it sometimes for tanking as well and it's been irritating me since the patch. I'm also using the modified form with the one line commented out right now.

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