I'm noticing the same with Tiger's Fury in cat form... it's often suggesting it while it has still 2 seconds cooldown remaining. It's been happening since about a week ago (I think when I updated to 3.240).

Please, anyone with problems with the addon, update it to the newest version (3.242), if the problems persist tell it to me. Also with 3.240 I've introduced a lot of new function so check them under cycle options to be sure that the default value is what you want. As for suggesting ability before you can fire them, I'm sure it's lag, I'll introduce some check in the next push to give users more control about it.

Anyone have the math on the shred vs mutilation idol? I'm assuming Arpen and hit capped with mjolnir and darkmoon card and 4pcT8 on with a mangle bot.

Basically, run some simulations with different gear and so forth. I've been using the in-game addon, which is great, but I'm looking to do some sim tests, and I have no idea how to use the code to run simulations. Just looking for a down and dirty explanation.

I had the same problem with TF (latest version 3.242). It currently suggests TF being on CD. The same problem exists with Rake (~ 3 cec. CD).

Given how massive the gap is between hard mode loot and the old tier, my napkin math put it at 2xT9 + 258 pieces > 4xT9 > 2xT8/2xT9. Not sure I calculated the 4 piece T9 bonus right though so maybe its a bit different but I'm showing 2xT9 and 3 random 258 leather the best option. I got something like:

Slot	Item
Head	[Runetotem's Headguard of Triumph]
Neck	Charge of the Eredar
Shoulders	[Runetotem's Shoulderpads of Triumph]
Chest	Vest of Calamitous Fate
Waist	[Belt of the Pitiless Killer]
Legs	[Legwraps of the Broken Beast]
Feet	[Icewalker Treads]
Wrist	[Armbands of Dark Determination]
Hands	[Sunreaver Assassin's Gloves]
Finger1	[Dexterous Brightstone Ring]
Finger2	[Band of Callous Aggression]
Trinket1	[Mjolnir Runestone]
Trinket2	[Death's Choice]
Back	Sylvanas' Cunning
MainHand	[Twin's Pact]

Gems are ArP to the cap, then Agi for the rest. A couple of 10agi/10crit gems where Yellow socket bonus is +agi, tear in the blue slot of the staff.


NOTE: Looks like Wowhead linking is having trouble differentiating from the normal loot and the Heroic loot by name, so I think you need to use the exact URL rather than the item tags, will fix that when I get time. If it doesn't say Heroic it is probably the wrong version.

If I had any knowledge on how to mess with the computer simulation to check various gear levels I'd help you out but I don't know the first thing about C++.

One of the things I've been debating in my head but haven't figured out for sure without something like Nightcrowler's simulation is which gearing scheme is better, or more likely, where is the break-point between one gearing scheme overtaking another.

The two I'm thinking of specifically are that of socketing ArP without the help of Mjolnir and pushing into the upper 800's and beyond --or-- sticking with Mjolnir and soft-capping and just getting more and more Agility.

Both are possible with Heroic Coliseum gear and Rawr seems to think both are fairly close (both over 10k sustained DPS) but I'd prefer to see what Nightcrowler's sim says.

Except that there's 258 ilvl T9 pieces as well..
With a decent increase in stats: Item Comparison Tool - World of Warcraft

Could somebody comment the changes in the latest Rawr? When adding "custom gemming" it shows that Str/AP gems are on top again and ArP damage rating is much lower.

Edit: please, delete this post.

Yes that was what the note was about. As they have the same name the item tags seem to link the mid version by default.

Wouldn't [Hellion Glaive] be better than [Twin's Pact] due to its Critical Strike Rating?

i made a BiS list with the best items (with rawr optimize function) and got this one:
Head Stormrage's Headguard of Triumph
Neck Charge of the Eredar
Shoulders Horde Coliseum 25 Badge Loot Rogue Shoulder
Chest Vest of Calamitous Fate
Waist Belt of the Merciless Killer
Legs Legwraps of the Broken Beast
Feet Treads of the Icewalker
Wrist Bracers of Dark Determination
Hands Sunreaver Assassin's Gloves
Finger1 Dexterous Brightstone Ring
Finger2 Ring of Callous Aggression
Trinket1 Death's Verdict
Trinket2 Mjolnir Runestone
Back Sylvanas' Cunning
MainHand Archon Glaive
Ranged Idol of Worship
Tabard Argent Crusader's Tabard
Character:
Race: Tauren
Overall Points: 6313,418
DPS Points: 6072,339
Survivability Points: 241,0785
Health: 24107,85
Attack Power: 9735
Agility: 2005
Strength: 121
Crit Rating: 871
Hit Rating: 291
Expertise Rating: 74
Haste Rating: 430
Armor Penetration Rating: 569
Weapon Damage: +16
Avoided Attacks: 1,743213%
Crit Chance: 60,70966%
Attack Speed: 0,8543512s
Armor Mitigation: 26,27804%
Melee Damage: 26,75285%
Mangle Damage: 6,582983%
Shred Damage: 16,46309%
Rake Damage: 13,79461%
Rip Damage: 30,26553%
Bite Damage: 6,140946%
Optimal Rotation: Mangle+Rake+Shred+Rip+Bite5+Roar4
Optimal Rotation DPS: 6072,339
Custom Rotation DPS: 3606,589


ignore the idol there it doesn't work correctly i think


gems are 20 ArP till 570 ArP rating, in yellow sockets when only yellow (or yellow+red) is need for more than 6 agi 10agi+10crit gems and in the legs a +10 to all stats gem


EDIT: sry i fixed it. now it's this one. is it correct now? and could someone be so nice to make a BiS list without colloseum 25er heroic and one without 10 and 25 heroic?

These 2 rings are the same item, but ally/horde version. So you won't be able to equip both, and you should probably delete 1 of them from Rawr.

Regarding the crit vs haste... I noticed when I pulled in the best gear I could find into RAWR, depending on gemming I could reach 60-77% Crit buffed(60% full Arp and close to hard cap, 77% full Agi gems). That's just crazy, by 3.3 and beyond what is going to happen to Agi scaling? Is Blizz going to change a cat mechanic to compensate? By the time we get to T13 we would be at 99% crit. lol

Haste will probably pull ahead even further in the future then?
What's going to happen when we reach ArP hardcap and 75-99% crit from Agi gems/gear, what are we going to gem then?

I don't think it's unrealistic to start pondering this question based on the current gear and epic gems out there...

I didn't see this under known bugs, but when I check to hide the addon in my main spec (which is my bear form/spec) it's still being displayed when I use that spec... Does anyone know a way around this?

Well the highest tier we will see this expansion is T10, and after that we will level to 100 (or 90) so all percentages will go down again.

::Palm to Face::
Hehe forgot that's how Blizz "fixes" things :P

I have a hard time believing we'll reach static ArP hardcap AND anywhere near 90% crit, but for the sake of argument were this to happen, one would assume we would just gem for the next stat highest stat in priority, being strength. But I believe it's been said that it would be higher dps to swap out mjolnir's in the forseeable future and aim for the static ArP. In such case, I don't think even Icecrown itemization could see us with those kind of stats.

It only needs to stay within reasonable levels within the scope of available content. Outliers are not a problem at all if the are unachievable via normal means.

Going back to the ArP to Softcap then Agi VS Pure ArP stacking, both gave similar DPS values on Rawr (and both removed Rake from the DPS rotation as well.) Nightcrowler mentioned previously when he analyzed how stat changes affect our DPS that things like Hit/Expertise before cap narrow our DPS delta (obviously) while things like Critical Strike/Agility widen them at various points due to extra combo point generation. ArP was one of those "narrowing" stats. So again I pose the question, would it be better to do more solid sustained DPS with a narrower delta by passively stacking ArP up over 850-900 or hitting soft cap via Mjolnir and stacking Agility to give ourselves the same average DPS but the chance at really shooting high with a good set of criticals?

I would imagine on gimmick fights like Hodir where criticals really come into play, the Agility based set would likely trump the ArP set but more generically I think I would rather be consistent and less streaky (as much as that is possible with our rotation.)

When using the FBN simulation tool what do you put for feral_ap? Is it simply the feral ap given by your weapon or is there an actual value that is given somewhere that I am unable to find?

While we're not going to scale out of the ceiling, we still do have a soft-cap of crit rating/Agi because glances happen before crits. We'll be hitting a soft-cap around 75%, depending on hit/expertise caps. Whether it's "reasonable" to be approaching hard/soft caps on everything but haste rating and AP is another issue entirely. But plenty of cats prefer to gem Agi for hybrid-type situations, so we can reasonably expect those high numbers in Icecrown.

Nightcrowler- ETA on an updated BiS gear list post 3.2?