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Old 06/09/09, 6:47 PM   #751
skibo
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Arthas
TY guys soo much. Our guild just got back from college, another tank, moving me to #4, and I just today realized how much BiS gear I have already for cat DPS (with 4T8.5) and all, so I am in the middle of re-enchanting all my tier for DPS, only Question I have, is for full cat gear, once I have achieved the ArPen Cap 556 from what I understand, I then start stacking Agi, not Str?

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Old 06/09/09, 7:25 PM   #752
Phoa
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After achieving the desired armor pen (556 for you) it is advisable to then fill in the remaining slots with agility. Once you achieve the cap (62 - 66%?) you could probably go strength for AP, but with current gear it wouldn't really be attainable. In short, ArP till you got enough, then agility.

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Old 06/09/09, 7:42 PM   #753
skibo
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Arthas
got it, last Q, is 4p t8 > ArPen ( ie, have chest & shoulders from 25-uld w/ arpen increase on them, but then I would loose 4 p bonus...should I wear the tier, or the other 2 pieces for arpen until other gear allows me to put the tier back on

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Old 06/09/09, 7:53 PM   #754
Cal
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Muradin
[quote=ramenchef;1271618]
Slot Item
Feet Footpads of Silence(icewalker enchant)

Pretty much every list I see has Icewalker as the boot enchant instead of +16agi. Why is that? I thought I read somewhere in this thread that we should never gem/enchant +hit, since there's enough native hit on gear, and its not that big a deal to be slightly under hit cap. So wouldn't that make the +agi enchant better than Icewalker?

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Old 06/09/09, 8:11 PM   #755
Phoa
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@Skibo, It would without a doubt be a better damage increase to use the 4p t8 over stacking offset ArP pieces, at this point at least. With the addition of higher item level pieces with increased stats it may be that using only tier pieces with ArP is a viable alternative. The 4piece was such a tremendous upgrade for me, I personally saw a 300dps increase on a training dummy, I couldn't say everyone could expect a jump that large but it helped make my rotation a lot more fluid, I never really have to worry with SR its more of a set-it-and-forget-it kinda thing now.

@Cal - I believe Icewalker is a viable alternative to using 16 agility because it is a very small amount of agility to give up for +hit and an almost equal amount of +crit. You can, ofcourse, use 16 agility on boots, its a matter of preference, but you will find with the BiS gear sets you will more then likely be hurting for +hit (thought you do not have to be capped) and this is a very very small sacrifice that would not be a noticeable dps loss/increase.

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Old 06/10/09, 3:21 AM   #756
nightcrowler
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Thanks for posting the updated BiS gear list. I'll update and rerun the simulation soon. If someone is interested in 4t6+4t8 strategy please take the BiS gear posted in the previous page and change the needed pieces then send me a PM with the stat difference please.

As for Icewalker vs Agility: Agility > hit and crit but Icewalker has 12 hit and 12 crit (total = 24) while agility is 16 agility.

@skibo: 4T8 > arpen yes.

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Old 06/10/09, 4:09 AM   #757
Gurrshael
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Originally Posted by Phoa View Post
After achieving the desired armor pen (556 for you) it is advisable to then fill in the remaining slots with agility. Once you achieve the cap (62 - 66%?) you could probably go strength for AP, but with current gear it wouldn't really be attainable. In short, ArP till you got enough, then agility.
It's 566. 1231 (cap) - 665 (mjolnir) = 566.

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Old 06/10/09, 6:12 AM   #758
Murna
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That's what I just wanted to correct as well.
And to be precise:

The cap is 1231.6, which should be rounded to 1232.
Therefor the cap is actually 566.6.

Whether you want to "waste" 0.4 ArPen by going for 567 (actually only waste it during Mjolnir Procc) or want to miss out the possible upgrade of 0.6 ArPen should be your own decision.

By the way, Grim Toll still proccs with 612 ArPen, as far as I know. So if you are still using GT instead of the Runesteone, your cap would be 619.6

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Old 06/10/09, 1:55 PM   #759
anything25
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questions

Hey thank you so much for the work you've put into this. I just have a couple of questions. The first one is probably due to my lack of programming experience but I am trying to compile the c++ code and i can not find the file mtrand.h, am i just missing it somehow or do i need to download it from somewhere else? Second, I am pretty new to theorycrafting and was wondering if someone could explain what is meant by "trinket soft cap". Thanks in advance for the answers to what I am sure are nooby questions.

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Old 06/10/09, 3:05 PM   #760
anything25
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nevermind about the trinket soft cap... i think i was being dense earlier... i still need to know about the c++ file though

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Old 06/11/09, 6:17 AM   #761
Astrouid
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XT-002

On the XT-002 fight, the feralbynight box that shows the suggested next move does not work on the heart (but does work on the boss).

I was not able to find any mention of this in the thread and wanted to know if this is a known problem or if reinstalling the addon will make it go away.

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Old 06/11/09, 7:23 AM   #762
Salazay
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Mal'Ganis (EU)
Originally Posted by Astrouid View Post
On the XT-002 fight, the feralbynight box that shows the suggested next move does not work on the heart (but does work on the boss).

I was not able to find any mention of this in the thread and wanted to know if this is a known problem or if reinstalling the addon will make it go away.
It does definitely work on the heart.

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Old 06/11/09, 7:51 AM   #763
Sadirin
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Die Silberne Hand (EU)
This may seem like a silly quetsion: is the link to the FBN-Addon from April 20th on the first page still the most updated one or did I miss in the 31 pages of this discucion a new version of the addon?

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Old 06/11/09, 11:52 AM   #764
Pheratia
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@Sadirin this post: FeralbyNight (Cat & Bear simulation tool) has the last news there is on the addon.

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Old 06/11/09, 7:44 PM   #765
RareBeast
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Jubei'Thos
With the addon, would it be possible to add a "MangleBot" mode that increases the priority of Mangle in the rotation? Currently, it allows some downtime on Mangle if refreshing Rip etc would provide a personal DPS benefit.

However, with 3 kitty druids in the raid like we had last night, letting mangle drop off for a few seconds would be a decrease in overall raid damage (and earn me the aggro of my fellow druids!). Obviously, I can manually keep track of mangle etc, but that kind of defeats the purpose of the addon.

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