Cliffjumper

I'd like to respectfully disagree with the suggestion. Growling does nothing to help your survivability, and taunt resists are so few and far between without the glyph that I would argue its usefulness to be fairly low. I still like Frenzied Regen as another of my emergency buttons. In my opinion, replace Growling with Survival Instincts.

Glyph of Barkskin is a PVP glyph, since when you're tanking you shouldn't be crit with talents anyway, and Glyph of Mangle is more of a DPS glyph than a tanking glyph.

 

Jak1301

I find frenzied regen quite usefull with the + 20% healing on fights that u need it. i was thinking more replacing Maul or growl, with SI.
Just dont no what one, i like the maul for trash and add boss fights, and growl so you know that your taunt will work and also helps if your under hit cap. just deciding wat 1 to take out for SI

 

Melthu

Tank swaps are a relatively prominent feature of Ulduar bosses. Razorscale, Kologarn, and especially Thorim and hard mode Iron Council are designed to force tank swaps. It's also important on Hodir if you use a separate frost resist tank for Frozen Blows and can help in transition if you use different tanks for phase 1 and phase 4 of Mimiron (since the body retains aggro from phase 1). When you also consider growl/taunt's usefulness in picking up adds like pummellers on Deconstructor I can't see giving up glyph of growl in favor of frenzied regen.

 

Charnas

20% more healing, on top of popping frenzied regen with glyphed SI allows me to get through at least one plasma burst phase on mimiron without any external cooldowns. My preference for tanking is FR, SI, Maul glyphs. There are other times when it's nice to have that extra healing incoming as well.

If you must have the growl glyph... I'd lean toward keeping frenzied regen over SI... the additional incoming heals is more of a benefit than the 15% more health.

 

Cliffjumper

I've never heard of using a frost resist tank for Hodir, but in that case, where a tank swap is incredibly critical to the fight and with the FR gear on, the hit will be lower than usual, I could see this being quite useful. I generally DPS in 25 man and main/off tank in 10 mans. Without the glyph, I'm struggling to remember a missed taunt on any boss fights at all.

If I begin seeing more taunt resists, I'd probably swap out a glyph, but at this point, I would rather have more survivability than guaranteed taunts.

 

sal

FrR tank on hodir shouldn't be too unheard of (25man). I offspec tank it in 3pc FrR solo. The fights buffs offer enough of a TPS increase to hold it off dps and one tank allows more dps for the heroic timer.

Plate tanks can also take care of him with a defense trinket and some resistance.

Druid Armory - Youtubes - RD Guild

 

Cliffjumper

Yes, my guild's MT wears max frost resist for Hodir. I was more referring to Melthu's statement about using a separate FrR tank when I said I had never heard of it.

 

Melthu

I also just tank Hodir in FrR gear, but tank swapping is a valid strat for him. I stand by the usefulness of glyph of growl in general. For the last few weeks before 3.1 I ran in a hybrid tank/dps spec without it and had a surprisingly large number of missed taunts on Gluth and 4 Horsemen. The glyph just removes an element of RNG like getting defense capped for plate tanks does.

 

Corbetti

If you can afford it, how about dual tank specs for multiple (or trash, or high threat) versus single target tanking.

Spec 1 can have Maul & Berserk and spec 2 can have SI & FR, with growl in both. The single target spec can also get 5/5 Feral Aggression by skipping Feral Instinct and 2 points in Furor.

 

Salazay

On our first normal Hodir kill, we tanked with one Fr Tank and one normal geared.

Yesterday we killed him hardmode with one tank, not wearing fr, which was healed by only one healer .. and it worked.


Anyway, i'm using Growl, SI, Maul.Thinking about switching Growl to Frenzied r., but i do have < 150 Hit and MANY bosses in Ulduar would wipe your raid if an important Taunt is missed.

 

Charnas

I don't understand the desire to glyph SI over frenzied regeneration. Gaining +20% incoming heals along with the heals from the regeneration itself seems to be more beneficial than 15% more health on top of what SI already gives.

 

Salazay

Some Hardmodes hitting for 50k+, so i need SI to not die to early.

 

Brute

The length of SI is not affected by the glyph of SI (which only increases the amount of health granted by SI by 15%), you're thinking of the 4p T8 bonus.

Personally I use Maul, Growl, and FR.

 

Charnas

Yes and raid buffed I'm sitting at 45K easily. Unglyphed SI will easily put you over the 50K mark, and increasing the efficiency of the healers casting on you by 20% is more beneficial than increasing your HP by 15%. Granted I prefer SI and Frenzied Regeneration, and completely drop growl from the equation.

 

netrbrunet

Frenzied Regen by itself with 35k health heals for 35000*0.003*100 = 10500 health (assuming infinite rage scenario).
The glyph adds 20% for 2100 extra heals form FR alone. Of course you are getting the majority of your benefit from external helaing sources.

SI glyph give your 15% of your total health for 20 seconds. So 35000 * 0.15 = 5250.
And you lose all this health at the end of 15 seconds. This isn't because of the glyph, but the mechanics of SI; however, it does inherit that downside as well. On the upside, you do get the instant health, and you don't need to wait for the first big heal to come in like in the FR glyph case.

I lean towards the FR glyph for sure.

Edit: I used 35k health. maybe I should have used something a bit higher. This would tip things slightly in favor of SI, but I still don't think by enough to change my mind.

 

Sephon

Really the bear glyph debate boils down to survivability vs threat / control.

The arguably 2 most viable glyph triplets are:

Survival Triplet
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* Survival Instincts
* Frenzied Regen
* Maul

Threat / Control Triplet
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* Maul
* Growling
* FR or SI ( FR until you hit a certain hp total is better as is show in this thread purely from a mathematical standpoint, however it is rage dependent, and thus can be fight dependent, i.e. rage starvation affects its performance )

As a bear tank my job is to survive everything thrown at me, and then contribute through TPS to allow for higher dps. Thus for me its a fairly simple choice to pick Survival over Threat.

The other reason is even with my abysmal hit chance in my tanking gear when equipping all my +EH gear, I have very rarely seen my taunt ever be resisted, and in that case, don't forget we have a second taunt in Challenging Roar, which while not usable in all situations, is usable in many as a secondary single target taunt for if and when you run into a resist.

 

Mijae

It is really just SI and FR that can be considered Survival glyphs.

Maul is incredible for trash or any fight with multiple adds, but not really necessary for most bosses. It helps when OT for multiple adds like Razorscale, XT, and Mimiron. However it could actually hinder some fights like Kologarn when going for achievement or Thorim breaking CC in tunnel.

Of course, I currently dps more than I tank. If I were a full-time tank I'd probably be using SI, FR, and Growl by default.

There was another blog I read that describes glyphs as just another consumable at this point. There is no reason you cannot bring multiple stacks with you and adjust per fight. The actual cost is close to potions on average. As such, I would swap Maul and Growl as needed.

Feral DruidStats spreadsheet
v3.2.0.0.xls - updated 8/4/2009

 

Flowsharian

Or you could use +8 hit/+12 stamina gems to activate yellow, since hit is needed and so is stam.

 

skz

Hello friends!

The glyphs you should be using for tanking are:
Maul
Frenzied Rejuv.
Survival Instincts

Have a wonderful day!

 

minn3h

skz, thanks for sharing your wisdom with us, but how do you justify your claim? When my guild wipes because a taunt resisted on Thorim what should I tell them?

 

Boevis

You should Challenging Roar and tell them to blow a cooldown. If it happens again, have them get bopped or something (you probably are 2nd threat anyway). What do you tell your guild when you lose aggro on the Snaplasher or someone dies in Kalagarn's hand?

There's situations for both glyphs, Maul hitting 2 targets will always do something in situations where it can, Growl isn't always necessary.

 

kalbear

I just carry around a stack of maul and growl glyphs. They're cheap to make and there's never a time on a fight when I've wanted both growl and maul.

The idea that glyphs aren't mutable or consumable seems pretty outdated with 3.1.

 

murumets

I have a few questions/comments regarding a few issues being discussed in this thread.

I am quite indifferent in regards to the whole Agility vs Stamina debate. Historically I have favored stacking mostly Agility, with a random Stamina gem or two tossed into the mix. This has easily carried me through pre-3.1 content, and I am sure it is fine for 10-man Ulduar content as well. My issue now though is that my casual 10 man is most likely going to be joining up with another guild to run 25-man content, and in all honesty I am not sure which figures I should be aiming for in regards to ubuffed health, dodge, etc. As it stands, with mostly agility gems, my stats are as follows:

HP: 32,477
Armor: 28,471
Dodge: 43.28%
Miss: 0.96%
Attack Power: 4834
Crit: 39.79%
Hit: 137
Expertise: 24

I am a Jewelcrafter, and I'm using two of the +27 Agility gems and one +41 Stamina one (along with a +24 Stamina one in my JC Trinket). I usually log out in my Tanking gear, so feel free to check it out. Like I mentioned above, my main concern is to know what I should be aiming for in regards to certain stats to tank Heroic Ulduar.

Another question I have is...is there a cumulative list somewhere listing all of our available gear options, and which ones are ranked above others? Effectively a BiS list, which I have easily found for most other classes. I know it depends greatly on what your other stats are and what not, but I'm not talking about a set-in-stone BiS list, just a listing of gear and what options are available to me. It's easier than sifting through everything myself I find, just sort of convenient.

I think that covers everything for now, but I'll probably have some other questions later. I had stopped playing this Druid in favor of my Warrior for tanking for a few months, but I've since come back to it since I find it much more enjoyable all around.

Thanks for any help.

Edit:

Oh, and here are the stats I had when I regemmed for mostly stamina the other day.

HP: 35,007
Armor: 28,120
Dodge: 41.27%
Miss: 0.96%
AP: 4,853
Crit: 38.19
Expertise: 28
Hit: 81

 

Inaiwae

As Kalbear says; re-glyph as needed.

From the fights i saw (no hard modes yet), Thorim is the only one where i would use Growl glyph. However on normal mode kill, we use 3 tanks, so there are always 2 tanks taunting, thus the risk of resist is almost 0. If we resort to 2 tanks for hard mode, i'll probably switch growl in place of SI for that one fight.

 

Porker

Hey guys, I recently went Feral Bear and am currently main tanking for my guild. I've got a few questions and would like some feedback about my gear/spec.

Unbuffed I'm currently sitting at:

Armor - 28,382
HP - 36.2k
Dodge - 41.61%
Attack Power - 5435
Crit - 37.79%
Hit - 8.42%
Expertise - 8.25% (33)

Now for my spec, since we have a warrior thunderclapping in 25 mans, i went for full survivabilty/threat gen. Now that we are starting to do some 10 man hard modes i've been thinking of respeccing for absolute survivabilty. I was looking at something like this : Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft .

Thanks!

-Steve