Similar to the impetus behind the moonkin WWS thread, there is a lack of a focused point of discussion for proven DPS in a raid environment. Now that Blizzard has acknowledged our DPS capabilities, I feel it's important to have a thread where someone can get an idea of actual feral DPS instead of just simulations and scattered parses. I'm sure many, if not all, of us are familiar with Nightcrowler's simulations. The simulations run us at a very high simulated number, but we all know that nobody is seeing that kind of DPS. Without further ado, I present my own humble parses for breakdown.


EDIT-We now use World of Logs, check recent posts for ongoing WoL posts from everyone involved in the discussion.

I've seen some people talking about speccing into Feral Instinct or taking Survival Instincts with 4/5 Feral Agression. Parses of AoE heavy fights with F.I. would be appreciated.

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This is a overall logging of righteous dawn and I play feral dps for most fights. I recently switched from 3/3 FI (imp swipe) with 2T7 2T8 to 4/5 FA (imp FB) with 4T8 as SR/rip timers have become looser. I find FB can be used every second cycle fairly consistent (low energy on one rip application, high energy on second rip application saved to add FB into the cycle).

March 10 is the first day attempting to add FB into my rotation.

I will start by saying that so few fights currently are decent measures of an individuals capabilities outside of being able to look at their uptimes, and that's really what we need to do here. You see massive jumps in DPS between people who otherwise did the same 'real dps' when one guild (for example) had no downtime between Hearts on XT002 while the other was only getting halfway.

My Ignis:
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94% uptime on SR (we pull far back, my SR had the same uptime as the DK's Abom Might), 83.5% Uptime on Rip, but only 88% uptime on Rake, I never got slab pot so that was simply me being bad.

Same day was a 6.6k DPS on Assembly

I'm constantly comparing how I did compared to other druids on the WMO Scoreboards

Technical question, but we use wowmeter as well and I can't for the life of me find DOT uptimes explicitly - are you just counting the DOT ticks or is there a page to quickly compare this?

Usually you look up the target (Ignis in this case) and look at his debuffs, like here

But, there were 2 cats dealing damage to him as seen here so its hard to tell how the up time of one of the cats really was.

Here's an Ignis parse from last night.

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7339 DPS (7565 Act. DPS), Fight time: 3:57

Note that this includes 0 swipe damage, the only few parses I saw higher had a large portion of swipe damage by swiping the offtanked adds, which is nothing more than padding.

This includes being slag potted once and having to run mangle.

As a corollary, I prefer running both T7/8 set bonuses over the 4 for now in regard to how my cycles work (as well as the right stat balance these pieces give me).

My Iron Council from last night. I did have trauma up most of the time, have 2pT7 but no T8, and am entirely geared in Naxx gear.

Also my Ignis, with similar behaviors - just to give an apples to apples comparison to the rest of the Ignises.

42 Rip hits + 52 Rip Crits = 94 tics * 2 seconds = 188 / 225 fight time = 83.5%

Here's the parse from our Vezax kill last night (5/13).

2/4 T8 and a trauma bot.

My hit has dropped a little as I transition to ulduar gear, and while I understand that hit is theoretically less important than agility/armor pen, I couldn't help but notice that when my shred misses my rotation usually falls behind (SR will fall for ~5 seconds, or rip will be down for ~10). Is anyone else having some issues keeping their rotation together because of missed specials?

Also (and maybe this is a question for a different thread) I think the rip glyph may be broken. All of my 5P rip's last night were only 16 seconds and not 20. Is anyone else seeing this?

Armory says you don't have 2-piece tier 7.

According to your armory, you are not using 2t7. So, your Rips should only be 16 seconds base time.

The 'Council' parse only includes damage done to Steelbreaker over the course of a 1:37 fight which swings quite heavily in the favor of ferals (not to mention you were sitting in a Rune of Power for half that time). Now a complete parse of a council kill would be more interesting.

As Boevis mentioned, high numbers on certain fights with varying circumstances while interesting are difficult to compare.

The one I linked above is a full council kill.

^ WWS currently does not count Molgeim and Brundir as bosses, however, WMO does.

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Our XT hardmode kill today, I'm still reluctant to use FB. (just got hardmode wrist, ring and trinket today, was wearing badge wirsts, ring and DMC:Agi at that kill)

I'm Linoralt (randomizing name ftw).

Here
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here for 25s this week.

Here's a 10 man from last night.

That's the same name as in your profile?

Regardless, would it be possible to restrict this thread to really only excellent parses, like the moonkin one? Finding a random wws with a 5k dps feral on ignis can't be to hard, finding the good parses can be.

The moonkin WWS thread was created to be a source of information and not just a spot to highlight particularly exceptional cases. The thing with feral DPS is that with the luck of RNG you can have dps that is exceptionally high or below average. I think it's important to establish the norm of DPS that people are seeing instead of just praising numbers that come close to the simulators.

I apologize if this has been covered before, but I have not come across the answer in my reading of the various feral DPS threads. I notice that ferals are using [Potion of Speed] (if any potions) in encounters. Is this better DPS increase than [Insane Strength Potion] during Berserk, or is it just cheaper to make? Also, when are ferals generally using Potion of Speed?

Going by the numbers of Nightcrowler (here), strength has a value of 23.8, while haste is 19.7 per point. So, 23.8 * 120 = 2856 and 500 * 19.7 = 9850. Obviously, 9850 > 2856.

It's fight dependent really. Basically if there are multiple periods where bursting DPS is valuable I use it separate from berserk and heroism on the theory that more haste is more clearcasting ppm. So on something like XT002 we use hero on the first heart, I berserk on the second, and potion of speed the third.

On a fight like Auriaya where there's no specific burn period I'll potion of speed at the same time as hero.

In a fight with no specific burn time, the best time for potions of speed is likely during a Grim Toll proc (Ideally with Tiger's Fury at the same time, but setting that up is probably more DPS lost than gained).

Due to how haste effects stack wouldn't it be optimal to pop a Potion of Speed during heroism?

Edit: This time with math.

We'll assume 0 haste on gear and Windfury totem/Improved Icy Touch. In 1 minute without a potion or heroism you will get 72 auto-attacks. If you start with heroism for 40 seconds and then pop a Potion of Speed for the next 15 seconds, you will get



If you pop Potion of Speed with Heroism you get




Edit #2: The math is trivial so I'm not going to bother including it, but haste on gear has no effect on this outcome, so in order to maximize your attacks you should always stack Potion of Speed with heroism. This doesn't necessarily make this strategy better than popping it during a trinket proc.