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Old 10/04/09, 8:53 PM   #151
Zelspawn
Von Kaiser
 
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Night Elf Druid
 
Turalyon (EU)
To Coldbear:

You are stating that you are having threat issues, and I'm guessing that it's in the start of a fight. Feral druids really can output a lot of damage in the beginning of the fight, especially if we get a hysteria together with our berserk. In some fights, I have a paladin giving me Hand of Salvation to counter this specific problem. And yes, more TotT & MD's will help, a lot.

I also noticed, that you do not get hysteria consistently together with berserk. Hysteria is a 3 minute cooldown, just as berserk, so either making a seperate whisper macro, or to include a whisper in a macro together with Berserk is recommended. The reason why Feral Druid is the best target for hysteria (If gear / player skill is not considered) is because we have a strong cooldown coupled with 100% physical dmg. So you are not using hysteria to its full potential.

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Old 10/06/09, 4:54 PM   #152
Isambaard
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Draenei Shaman
 
Stormrage
Originally Posted by coldbear View Post
...but if so, why don't the DKs, Enhancement shammies and DPS warrior pull threat like I do?
DKs, especially Blood, have some of the lowest default threat levels in the game especially when fully talented into threat reduction. DPS warriors tend not to be as bursty and especially don't front load threat the way a cat berserking at the start of a fight does.

Just put me on ignore, you'll be happier that way. I assure you you'll miss nothing of value.

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Old 10/06/09, 5:25 PM   #153
kalbear
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Tauren Druid
 
Balnazzar
Also many of the more popular trinkets (Runestone, Banner, Death's Embrace, DM:G) trigger almost immediately at the beginning of a fight. That combined with berserking can result in a long string of extra damaging critting attacks right at the start.

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Old 10/10/09, 4:13 AM   #155
Torarr
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Tauren Druid
 
Firetree
Imageshack - koralanrecount2

Koralan dps, or kind of like patchwerk really (same health)

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Old 10/12/09, 4:17 PM   #156
Blazefire
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Tauren Druid
 
Zul'Jin
Originally Posted by Torarr View Post
Imageshack - koralanrecount2

Koralan dps, or kind of like patchwerk really (same health)

Its nice that you can put out big numbers, but the point of this thread is to post log reports, not images of recount. Reports allow others to see what people are doing that works and is different that they might try, pics are pretty useless otherwise because it offers no insight as to how you did it.

Koralan:
WoW Meter Online - Combatlog Replay

Ignis:
WoW Meter Online - Combatlog Replay

Vezax Hardmode:
WoW Meter Online - Combatlog Replay


Sigh, I really need to convince the DKs and Rogues to Hysteria/Tricks me.

Last edited by Blazefire : 10/12/09 at 4:57 PM.

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Old 10/13/09, 6:18 AM   #157
Inaiwae
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Night Elf Druid
 
Sylvanas (EU)
Could you cats post some Anub'arak parses for comparison?

Some mine:
World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis (lucky)
World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis (lucky)
World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis (unlucky)

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Old 10/14/09, 2:34 PM   #158
Torarr
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Tauren Druid
 
Firetree
Originally Posted by Blazefire View Post
Its nice that you can put out big numbers, but the point of this thread is to post log reports, not images of recount. Reports allow others to see what people are doing that works and is different that they might try, pics are pretty useless otherwise because it offers no insight as to how you did it.

Koralan:
WoW Meter Online - Combatlog Replay

Ignis:
WoW Meter Online - Combatlog Replay

Vezax Hardmode:
WoW Meter Online - Combatlog Replay


Sigh, I really need to convince the DKs and Rogues to Hysteria/Tricks me.
WoW Meter Online - Combatlog Replay Only one I can find unfortunately, and yeah DKs and rogues are too competitive these days to give out their buffs >.>

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Old 10/14/09, 2:56 PM   #159
sal
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Gnome Warlock
 
Azgalor
VoA, ToC, Onyxia typical raid:

World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis

No Manglebot, No Hysteria, No Tricks, No potions, flasked for some with 80ap food.

Koralon 9700
H. Beasts 6800
H. Jarax 7600
H. Champs 6000
H. Twins 10,500

H Anub Wipes - 7700

R anub 7300


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Old 10/15/09, 1:09 AM   #160
Torarr
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Tauren Druid
 
Firetree
World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis

Pretty nice jump with a new Death's Choice, Some anub attempts in there but I dont count swipe spamming as taking much skill.

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Old 10/15/09, 1:10 AM   #161
Mielikinna
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Night Elf Druid
 
Medivh
World of Logs - Jaraxxus 25 Hard Kill

World of Logs - ToC 25

I'm usually mainspec tank, but I got to play with cat tonight for a while. I'm gemmed for armor pen, 745 with Hearty Rhino, using Mjolnir. No hysteria, tricks, flasked, another cat but not a reliable manglebot. I feel like I did pretty good, but that there is much potential for improvement with gear.

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Old 10/15/09, 1:49 PM   #162
Hammartime
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Tauren Druid
 
Sargeras
I'm also in the very frustrating position of sifting through all the garbage to figure out what my ideal stats to reach for are. Twice as much now that I'm applying and being tested in a new guild. I have some WoL dps reports, any input as to how my actual "rotation" can improve, or if I should be favoring some abilities more than others, would be greatly appreciated.

PS: I don't AoE the majority of the time for any Anub logs posted. Our aoe has proven sufficient without me, and I simply swipe on clearcasting for the adds.

The World of Warcraft Armory - I have another chestpiece, non-heroic armor of shifting shadow.



World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis - HM Jaraxxus 10

World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis - Anub Wipe 6.5 min

World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis - Anub Wipe 6.3 min

World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis - Anub Kill

World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis - An older log for AoI


Notes: I'm agility gemmed atm, although I was ArP pre-nerf. I do not have an ArP trinket, I use Blood of the Old God and DM:G for the majority of fights.

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Old 10/15/09, 3:17 PM   #163
Spiney
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Trollbane (EU)
Originally Posted by Hammartime View Post
I'm also in the very frustrating position of sifting through all the garbage to figure out what my ideal stats to reach for are. Twice as much now that I'm applying and being tested in a new guild. I have some WoL dps reports, any input as to how my actual "rotation" can improve, or if I should be favoring some abilities more than others, would be greatly appreciated.

PS: I don't AoE the majority of the time for any Anub logs posted. Our aoe has proven sufficient without me, and I simply swipe on clearcasting for the adds.

The World of Warcraft Armory - I have another chestpiece, non-heroic armor of shifting shadow.



World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis - HM Jaraxxus 10

Notes: I'm agility gemmed atm, although I was ArP pre-nerf. I do not have an ArP trinket, I use Blood of the Old God and DM:G for the majority of fights.
Wel i only looked at the jaraxxus, but in my experiance feral dps depends alot on raid setup.
At jaraxxus you had a arms warrior, so forget mangle, save your energy for al your other ability's, trauma replaces and knocks off mangle anyway.

I always open with FF,rake (just for the 2 set bonus of T8) followed by a SR, then shred TF shred, shred, until you have your 5 cp, IF your out of luck and only have3 you prob need to refresh rake anyway.
If you got your 5 points even better.

Normaly your SR is about to run out but again, 1cp SR or 5 doenst matter as long as its up.

Shred for cp's and just try to see what you get, 4CP for SR is more then enough to get a second 5CP to reaply rip when its gone.

The only thing besides the fight you must look at is that SR is always up, rake en rip are apply'd.

If you have both up, 5cp and 12-15sec left on your rip, i use bite but only if im surtain that i can have another 5CP if any of them run out.

I always try to refresh rip if i see that rip and SR wil run out at the same time, sinds 1cp = 14 sec SR but 1cp rip is fail at dps and useless to apply.

Its even better to keep shredding with 5 cp ready then to bite and try to get them back in time to apply SR/rip.

Last point, i always try to start Berserk asap, sinds if the fight last longer then 3 min i can use it 2ce.

So small recap.
Keep SR up (prior).
Keep rake en rip up (dps AND OOC of your T8).
Berserk asap after first rotation to hope for a second)
Shred shred shred (better to do 3 shreds with 5 cp up then do a bite, and not make it in time to apply SR AND RIP (bite 16-20k, shred 3x 12k but you get the point)
Forget mangle if you have a trauma war/druid tank.
Oh and keep blood dk's with hysteria happy, so they give it to you :p

Sorry it this seems to much info

edited, assumed that "increasing dmg done by" would effect rip/rake

Last edited by Spiney : 10/15/09 at 5:59 PM.

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Old 10/15/09, 4:14 PM   #164
Ja7us
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Tauren Druid
 
Steamwheedle Cartel
I'm quite certain that TF will not affect the damage of Rip, Rake or Ferocious Bite since they aren't based on weapon damage, so it doesn't make sense to save it for those abilities (and even if it did affect them the +damage aspect of TF is minor at best).

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Old 10/16/09, 12:43 AM   #165
Hammartime
Glass Joe
 
Tauren Druid
 
Sargeras
Thanks for the input, however I did not have an arms warrior for that fight. I don't ever really have one. I've recently taken 3 points out of FB damage and put it into swipe, for anub arak. With that, I've also been trying harder to keep a higher uptime on my bleeds, at the sacrifice of a few combo points here and there if they're going to collide with SR or something. Again, any other input would be appreciated.

I'll be able to post a few more logs from tonight later, mostly ToC normal (surprisingly with a feral tank), as well as some wipes to ToGC beasts, though I'm unsure how well you can measure dps on them.

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