Elitist Jerks Cat WWS Thread

 05/14/09, 8:29 PM #16 Incadelico Glass Joe   Meredy Blood Elf Paladin   Die Todeskrallen (EU) ^ WWS currently does not count Molgeim and Brundir as bosses, however, WMO does. WoW Meter Online - Combatlog Replay in Engrish Our XT hardmode kill today, I'm still reluctant to use FB. (just got hardmode wrist, ring and trinket today, was wearing badge wirsts, ring and DMC:Agi at that kill)
 05/15/09, 2:49 PM #17 kerrick Glass Joe   Linoralt Night Elf Druid   Velen I'm Linoralt (randomizing name ftw). Here and here for 25s this week. Here's a 10 man from last night. Last edited by kerrick : 05/15/09 at 2:50 PM. Reason: clarification
05/15/09, 4:43 PM   #18
charriu
Piston Honda

Tauren Druid

Gorgonnash (EU)
 Originally Posted by kerrick I'm Linoralt (randomizing name ftw). Here and here for 25s this week. Here's a 10 man from last night.
That's the same name as in your profile?

Regardless, would it be possible to restrict this thread to really only excellent parses, like the moonkin one? Finding a random wws with a 5k dps feral on ignis can't be to hard, finding the good parses can be.

05/15/09, 5:06 PM   #19
a civilian
Piston Honda

Worgen Druid

Sargeras
 Originally Posted by Rainman5419 Edit:My bad with the Council parse, WWS seems to have only recorded one the bosses for that fight. Is there any work around for this other than using WMO?
Yes, you can do a custom split in WWS by editing the URL. The "s=617136-637453" denotes the range (in line numbers) of the split. You can filter the log for event=unit_died to find where the last councilor died, and then use that line number as the endpoint of the split range. For example, this is your full assembly of iron split: Wow Web Stats

05/15/09, 9:31 PM   #20
ithecho84
10bux

Tauren Druid

Maelstrom
 Originally Posted by charriu That's the same name as in your profile? Regardless, would it be possible to restrict this thread to really only excellent parses, like the moonkin one? Finding a random wws with a 5k dps feral on ignis can't be to hard, finding the good parses can be.
The moonkin WWS thread was created to be a source of information and not just a spot to highlight particularly exceptional cases. The thing with feral DPS is that with the luck of RNG you can have dps that is exceptionally high or below average. I think it's important to establish the norm of DPS that people are seeing instead of just praising numbers that come close to the simulators.

 05/16/09, 12:16 AM #21 sola5ide Glass Joe   Aspera Night Elf Druid   Lightning's Blade I apologize if this has been covered before, but I have not come across the answer in my reading of the various feral DPS threads. I notice that ferals are using [Potion of Speed] (if any potions) in encounters. Is this better DPS increase than [Insane Strength Potion] during Berserk, or is it just cheaper to make? Also, when are ferals generally using Potion of Speed?
05/16/09, 3:09 AM   #22
charriu
Piston Honda

Tauren Druid

Gorgonnash (EU)
 Originally Posted by sola5ide I apologize if this has been covered before, but I have not come across the answer in my reading of the various feral DPS threads. I notice that ferals are using [Potion of Speed] (if any potions) in encounters. Is this better DPS increase than [Insane Strength Potion] during Berserk, or is it just cheaper to make? Also, when are ferals generally using Potion of Speed?
Going by the numbers of Nightcrowler (here), strength has a value of 23.8, while haste is 19.7 per point. So, 23.8 * 120 = 2856 and 500 * 19.7 = 9850. Obviously, 9850 > 2856.

05/16/09, 11:28 AM   #23
Isambaard
Soda Popinski

Draenei Shaman

Stormrage
 Originally Posted by sola5ide I apologize if this has been covered before, but I have not come across the answer in my reading of the various feral DPS threads. I notice that ferals are using [Potion of Speed] (if any potions) in encounters. Is this better DPS increase than [Insane Strength Potion] during Berserk, or is it just cheaper to make? Also, when are ferals generally using Potion of Speed?
It's fight dependent really. Basically if there are multiple periods where bursting DPS is valuable I use it separate from berserk and heroism on the theory that more haste is more clearcasting ppm. So on something like XT002 we use hero on the first heart, I berserk on the second, and potion of speed the third.

On a fight like Auriaya where there's no specific burn period I'll potion of speed at the same time as hero.

 05/16/09, 4:48 PM #24 Ja7us Don Flamenco   Oakenbough Tauren Druid   Steamwheedle Cartel In a fight with no specific burn time, the best time for potions of speed is likely during a Grim Toll proc (Ideally with Tiger's Fury at the same time, but setting that up is probably more DPS lost than gained).
 05/16/09, 8:01 PM #25 • Melthu Confused   Melthu Troll Druid   Alterac Mountains Due to how haste effects stack wouldn't it be optimal to pop a Potion of Speed during heroism? Edit: This time with math. We'll assume 0 haste on gear and Windfury totem/Improved Icy Touch. In 1 minute without a potion or heroism you will get 72 auto-attacks. If you start with heroism for 40 seconds and then pop a Potion of Speed for the next 15 seconds, you will get $40 / \left(\frac{1}{(1 + 0.20)(1 + 0.30)}\right) + 15 / \left(\frac{1}{(1 + 0.20)(1 + 0.1525)}\right) + 5 / \left(\frac{1}{(1 + 0.20)}\right)= 89.145 \, auto-attacks$ If you pop Potion of Speed with Heroism you get $15 / \left(\frac{1}{(1 + 0.20)(1 + 0.1525)(1 + 0.30)}\right) + 25 / \left(\frac{1}{(1 + 0.20)(1 + 0.30)}\right) + 20 / \left(\frac{1}{(1 + 0.20)}\right)= 89.9685 \, auto-attacks$ Edit #2: The math is trivial so I'm not going to bother including it, but haste on gear has no effect on this outcome, so in order to maximize your attacks you should always stack Potion of Speed with heroism. This doesn't necessarily make this strategy better than popping it during a trinket proc. Last edited by Melthu : 05/17/09 at 9:57 AM.
 05/17/09, 4:15 AM #26 Isambaard Soda Popinski     Bananarchy Draenei Shaman   Stormrage My timing is based not on getting that 1 extra autoattack, we'll call 0.82 close enough to 1, but instead getting more time in which I'm getting more clearcasts in the same period of time. I have not actually done the math to see if this is more likely to get me more dps without sitting at 100 energy due to too many procs, merely that I saw it suggested elsewhere and the theory is sound. Obviously if I'm demonstrably wrong I'd love to know so I can time mine for better dps.
05/17/09, 1:26 PM   #27
ithecho84
10bux

Tauren Druid

Maelstrom
 Originally Posted by Isambaard My timing is based not on getting that 1 extra autoattack, we'll call 0.82 close enough to 1, but instead getting more time in which I'm getting more clearcasts in the same period of time. I have not actually done the math to see if this is more likely to get me more dps without sitting at 100 energy due to too many procs, merely that I saw it suggested elsewhere and the theory is sound. Obviously if I'm demonstrably wrong I'd love to know so I can time mine for better dps.
I understand what you're trying to say, but a net gain in auto attacks is just a flat higher percentage chance to get clear casting procs. If Omen of Clarity had an internal cooldown, your approach would be the correct way. However, it does bring up the potential problem of having wasted energy by having too many clearcasting procs. Say you get a string of OoC procs or OoC procs before you can use your previous clearcasting. There is also the scenario that you get so many OoC procs that you have energy sitting at 100 for a while. With that in mind, I think using speed potions independently of heroism/bloodlust would be the right choice.

 05/18/09, 7:18 PM #28 maiez Glass Joe   Meez Night Elf Druid   Barthilas I am Meez. Here is my guild's WMO page: WoW Meter Online - Combatlog Replay in Engrish My armory: The World of Warcraft Armory NOTE: I only obtained 4pc T8.5 last night after downing Yogg and buying my chest, so all WMO reports are with 2pc T7.5 and 2pc T8.5. Will be interesting to see how 4pc T8.5 compares.
 05/20/09, 11:54 AM #29 Pike Von Kaiser     Tyyr Tauren Druid   Uther Please delete. Last edited by Pike : 05/20/09 at 1:52 PM.
 05/20/09, 6:40 PM #30 Thaeryn Piston Honda     Thaeryn Tauren Druid   Dethecus I'm mostly tanking these days, but I did manage to get some good dps time in on Assembly hard mode attempts. I'm Agi gemmed and have mongoose on my weapon for tanking. Attempt 19 I believe was a 3% wipe when one of our ranged soakers got gibbed and he healed up to much. I'd post WMO but the raid lead forgot to parse failed attempts, so it just has our normal kill in which I'm tanking. Wow Web Stats

 Elitist Jerks Cat WWS Thread