Ok, I misread your question. Actually, it's optimal to time your speed pot with Bloodlust due to the fact that haste effects stack multiplicatively. The math is here if you're interested: Cat WWS Thread
Aye, thats what I thought originally.
However, seeing the reasoning behind saving the haste potion should you somehow fall behind on your rotation (Such as a very unlucky string of no crits on yellow moves...generating 5 CP's, 1 at a time will certainly kill almost all of your rotations, especcially if Tigers Fury isn't up) I'm now questioning that instead.
However, can someone else point out why my Vezax kill was abnormally low compared to other ferals? Was I missing something? It doesn't looked like I clipped my dots and i'm pretty sure I had 100% uptime on SR.
However, seeing the reasoning behind saving the haste potion should you somehow fall behind on your rotation (Such as a very unlucky string of no crits on yellow moves...generating 5 CP's, 1 at a time will certainly kill almost all of your rotations, especcially if Tigers Fury isn't up) I'm now questioning that instead.
However, can someone else point out why my Vezax kill was abnormally low compared to other ferals? Was I missing something? It doesn't looked like I clipped my dots and i'm pretty sure I had 100% uptime on SR.
Your encounter lasted 6:52, so you could have potentially berserked 3 times during the fight. (instead of only twice) Also, your dps isn't that low, I don't understand what you think the problem is with your dps.
I didn't have a flask up for Ignis (it was at the end of the raid and I didn't want to flask for an easy boss).
I was lucky enough not to get slag potted this week and topped damage, I have just started gemming for ArP, but only have about 350 when Grim Toll is not up, I'm using Shred Idol, 2t7 and 2t8. The druid who came 2nd is gemmed for agi with Rip Idol and 4t8, but our general gear level is pretty similar.
Is anyone doing over 7k on Ignis? I feel like I still have a lot of room for improvement, but we (ferals) regularly outdps rogues and hunters on a lot of the tank and spank fights (admittedly on this parse the hunter and 1 of the rogues were slag potted).
Your encounter lasted 6:52, so you could have potentially berserked 3 times during the fight. (instead of only twice) Also, your dps isn't that low, I don't understand what you think the problem is with your dps.
Its not that its low, its that it could be higher - I'd be happy around 6800 because I know that is attainable.
@Aldhissla, there is a report on WMO of a Feral Druid doing 7.3k DPS while keeping up his own mangles. (And without padding using swipe).
My gear is more than fine, but theres definitly some fine tuning to be had with my DPS to get it higher, I just can't figure out what. I clipped my rake 3 times, but 1 of those times was an accidental double rake at the start of the fight (I didn't see the debuff go up instantly due to a second of lag, so I did it again). Again I could have potentially Berserked 3 times, however it wasn't up again until around 5% so I didn't notice until it was too late.
Talanik, I can't tell very well but it looks like you had neither Enh Shaman or Frost DK in the raid.
It doesn't seem like WMO logs windufry totem as a buff but it looks highly likely you missed out on 16-20% melee haste for this fight. It also contributes to your very low OOC proc rate. The same might apply for Strength of Earth totem/Horn of Winter.
Your FB count seems pretty low, this might relate to your low OOC rate and shred only rotation.
I'm pretty sure I had WF, we had a Enh shaman in the raid at the time.
My rotation was painstakingly difficult to keep up for some reason tonight. I got a nasty string of dodges when trying to refresh rip. And is 29 OOC procs over a 6:30 minute fight low?
I'm pretty sure I had WF, we had a Enh shaman in the raid at the time.
My rotation was painstakingly difficult to keep up for some reason tonight. I got a nasty string of dodges when trying to refresh rip. And is 29 OOC procs over a 6:30 minute fight low?
If you're missing 20% haste, it's from the same spell effect which keeps your healers from regenerating mana.
Yes, I know. A poster above me asked if I had Windfury (Which would offset the -20% haste), because it wasn't showing up on the WMO reports. I double checked our shaman it it showed that he dropped Windfury; but the buff didn't show up on any of the melee DPS. Must have been a bug with WMO, or perhaps since the Windfury canceled out the effect of the -20% haste aura, it didn't register?
First parse is before I got 2pc T8, second parse is from last nights raid. Looking for constructive criticism on what I may be doing wrong, or anything I can use to improve my DPS.
Also, just a few more parses for people to look through if they want a comparison from someone who doesn't have a strong amount of gear yet.
Yes, I know. A poster above me asked if I had Windfury (Which would offset the -20% haste), because it wasn't showing up on the WMO reports. I double checked our shaman it it showed that he dropped Windfury; but the buff didn't show up on any of the melee DPS. Must have been a bug with WMO, or perhaps since the Windfury canceled out the effect of the -20% haste aura, it didn't register?
Like most totem effects, the windfury buff isn't logged. Only the totem spellcast is.
First parse is before I got 2pc T8, second parse is from last nights raid. Looking for constructive criticism on what I may be doing wrong, or anything I can use to improve my DPS.
Also, just a few more parses for people to look through if they want a comparison from someone who doesn't have a strong amount of gear yet.
First of all, I'm not the best at theorycraft or comparisons. That said, it appears it was just RNG being in my favor. From the looks of it you seem to have the advantage on gear, albeit not by much. As you said, uptime on bleeds can help with OOC procs, as can any haste increasing buff. Faster white swings = more white swings = more chances to proc (At least I believe this is how it works).
If someone else sees something I don't or has anything to add, feel free.
Here is a parse of my guild's first 25 man XT hardmode kill. I was lucky and had a DK giving me hysteria and a rogue giving me TotT. Bloodlust, speed pot, berserk, hysteria and TotT all at once let me peak around 30k DPS on the heart. 43 OoC procs let me squeeze in 17 FBs over the course of the fight for 7% of my total dmg. My SR uptime was 97% but my bleed uptimes seem a bit low... still good enough to take first place on the WMO druid leader board for the fight (for now), but I think there is room for a lot of improvement. Any other thoughts on this log?
Is anyone doing over 7k on Ignis? I feel like I still have a lot of room for improvement, but we (ferals) regularly outdps rogues and hunters on a lot of the tank and spank fights (admittedly on this parse the hunter and 1 of the rogues were slag potted).
I've learned a lot about my class from reading this forum, and have greatly improved my raid performance because of it. I still have a few questions, however. In my current raiding gear, I have no expertise. None. I have 4T8 (head and chest 8.5), and still am in my guild's top 3 melee dps. I have assembled a different set of gear that keeps me close to hit capped, and gets me my expertise, as well as some extra armor pen, but at a pretty hefty cost. My numbers in cat form (self buffed) are as follows:
My question is, is it worth it to sacrifice over 5% crit, and all the haste, as well as the 4T8 bonus (I would, however, be able to go 2T7 2T8) to benefit from Expertise?
Moz (zomm), comparing my personal best. You guys engage sooner, we pull back to center before doing anything. I missed a lot, honestly surprising since at the time I was using <1% avoidance from behind, though I did get parried 4 times. And wow, 32 Clearcasts is just amazing, I had better bleed uptime and got 8 fewer, not to mention worse crits. RNG Strikes again.
One other thing of note, while on a longer fight, I'm sure it will matter less, I'm noticing that on 3:30-4:00 minute fights, Berserking (4-5 for most people) has a significantly higher uptime than Mongoose (3-4) I really do need to switch.
I've learned a lot about my class from reading this forum, and have greatly improved my raid performance because of it. I still have a few questions, however. In my current raiding gear, I have no expertise. None. I have 4T8 (head and chest 8.5), and still am in my guild's top 3 melee dps. I have assembled a different set of gear that keeps me close to hit capped, and gets me my expertise, as well as some extra armor pen, but at a pretty hefty cost. My numbers in cat form (self buffed) are as follows:
My question is, is it worth it to sacrifice over 5% crit, and all the haste, as well as the 4T8 bonus (I would, however, be able to go 2T7 2T8) to benefit from Expertise?
I would say no. Dodges are crappy because they have the potential to really mess with your rotation, but you'd need to get some bad RNG for it to constantly be a problem. If all you were losing was the crit, or the set bonus, then I think you could make the argument that its better to pick up the expertise (depending on the fight, and on other external factors, like how good you are at recovering from a poorly timed dodge)--but -5% crit, -4PT8, AND -103 haste is too big a price to pay.
Moz (zomm), comparing my personal best. You guys engage sooner, we pull back to center before doing anything. I missed a lot, honestly surprising since at the time I was using <1% avoidance from behind, though I did get parried 4 times. And wow, 32 Clearcasts is just amazing, I had better bleed uptime and got 8 fewer, not to mention worse crits. RNG Strikes again.
One other thing of note, while on a longer fight, I'm sure it will matter less, I'm noticing that on 3:30-4:00 minute fights, Berserking (4-5 for most people) has a significantly higher uptime than Mongoose (3-4) I really do need to switch.
No where near the numbers you two put out on Ignis, partially my screwing up but two turns in the slag pot doesn't help either. Both times I had combo points for a Rip but had to use them on Savage Roar as it dropped before I could get back onto him.
I had no idea how long the kill would take as we had our first real crack at the achievement tonight, we got that easily and I missed the second use of Berserk as I didn't use it early enough. I also missed at least one Tiger's Fury and possibly a second but it is hard to tell as being put in the Slag Pot delayed two uses of it.
I should really break my habit of opening with Pounce too, initial threat isn't the problem it used to be but old habits die hard and I used to play with some tanks with suboptimal threat generation.
I got two procs of Mongoose in the 3'19" WWS records me as active, this strikes me as low and I too should probably replace it with Berserking but as this doubles as my threat tanking weapon I think it will have to wait for now.
Apart from what I have picked up can you see anything more I am doing wrong?
Current Rawr file included as I tend to log out in solo gear. I forgot to restart PC before this raid too so I was getting under 10fps for the fight which certainly doesn't help.
Last edited by Cluey : 06/16/09 at 10:13 PM.
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Here is my General Vezax from tonight (6282 dps, 6342 actual... lol) (after changing my gems back from armor pen to agi): WoW Meter Online - General Vezax tonight
And someone asked about 7k dps on Ignis. This is me on Ignis 2/3 weeks ago, before I changed all my gems to armor pen and nerfed my dps. WoW Meter Online - Ignis 27-05-2009
@Calysta: The one thing that really jumps out at me is the 16 hit gem you have on your pants, and the 8 agility 8 hit gem in your gloves. If you're gemming hit because you don't like how misses interfere with your DPS, then that's fine; however, point-for-point, hit gems are quite a bit lower on the DPS scale than agility or armor pen gems.
EDIT: WWS has your savage roar at a 93% up time; increasing that will substantially increase your DPS.
I can't for the life of me figure out what I am doing wrong. Granted compared to most of the guilds posted in here mine takes much longer with the fights. But I just see such a huge dropoff compared to everyone else and I can't figure out what it is I am doing wrong. My gear isn't bad and I do top the charts for my guild but as soon as I look at the stuff on here I start scratching my head as I know part of it is me I just can't figure out what.
Well, as you say Karnexus - a lot of it is how long the fight is. Most Ignis kills posted are sub 4 minutes; yours is about 6. That's going to make bloodlust a lot more valuable. Your spec is perfectly reasonable. You're wearing a lot of Valorous gear instead of the better gear from Ulduar or the hardmodes of T7, which is somewhat of a concern; most Valorous gear isn't well-optimized for cat. But all non-valorous gear is fairly reasonable. You aren't a JC though, and that does hurt you somewhat - and alchemy isn't ideal either. But that's not a huge deal.
My gut feeling is that you're doing too many FBs and allowing your rips to fall off.
06/04/09, 3:43 PM
