You don't necessarily get more benefit from using Berserk and Bloodlust separately, but you get literally 0 synergy by using them together. If there's a specific burn period on the boss (like the heart phase on Deconstructor) then you'll probably use both for maximal dps increase, but that's just coincidence. On a boss like Ignis with no burn phases you'll get no benefit by timing your Berserk with Bloodlust.

In fact, in certain cases using both together can be bad. If you get too many OOC procs due to Bloodlust and you can't drain your energy during Berserk then you wasted some of your Berserk. Ending up with half energy after Berserk is a bad thing.

@Talanik - There's a feeling that some of us have that you want to separate your haste periods to avoid energy saturation due to the extra OOC procs. The same reasoning holds for separating your berserk from either haste period.

Ok, I misread your question. Actually, it's optimal to time your speed pot with Bloodlust due to the fact that haste effects stack multiplicatively. The math is here if you're interested: Cat WWS Thread

As long as you aren't Berserking at the same time I wouldn't worry about capping your energy. Unless you were pooling to 80+ energy and then got a lucky streak of 3+ OOC procs you can stay under 100 pretty easily.

This is certainly a possibility, and one that I considered before, but in practice I find that it very rarely happens. Hodir on the other hand, while standing in a moonbeam while lusted and popping a speed potion, I found that I could replicate such an effect, but even then it's less than a quarter of the time. So while the possibility is there, the numbers and reality actually support the practice of speed potting during a bloodlust. The real question to be answered is whether it's worth it to use a speed potion during a bloodlust and berserk on vulnerability phases or whether to just save it for later or if you happen to find yourself falling behind on your rotation (word used loosely).

Your encounter lasted 6:52, so you could have potentially berserked 3 times during the fight. (instead of only twice) Also, your dps isn't that low, I don't understand what you think the problem is with your dps.

Our most recent Ignis kill: World of Logs - Ignis 6.7k dps

I didn't have a flask up for Ignis (it was at the end of the raid and I didn't want to flask for an easy boss).

I was lucky enough not to get slag potted this week and topped damage, I have just started gemming for ArP, but only have about 350 when Grim Toll is not up, I'm using Shred Idol, 2t7 and 2t8. The druid who came 2nd is gemmed for agi with Rip Idol and 4t8, but our general gear level is pretty similar.

Is anyone doing over 7k on Ignis? I feel like I still have a lot of room for improvement, but we (ferals) regularly outdps rogues and hunters on a lot of the tank and spank fights (admittedly on this parse the hunter and 1 of the rogues were slag potted).

Its not that its low, its that it could be higher - I'd be happy around 6800 because I know that is attainable.


@Aldhissla, there is a report on WMO of a Feral Druid doing 7.3k DPS while keeping up his own mangles. (And without padding using swipe).

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Is the one. He did get very lucky with RNG though, with 32 clearcasting procs and 77% of his Mangles critting

Talanik, I can't tell very well but it looks like you had neither Enh Shaman or Frost DK in the raid.

It doesn't seem like WMO logs windufry totem as a buff but it looks highly likely you missed out on 16-20% melee haste for this fight. It also contributes to your very low OOC proc rate. The same might apply for Strength of Earth totem/Horn of Winter.

Your FB count seems pretty low, this might relate to your low OOC rate and shred only rotation.

I'm pretty sure I had WF, we had a Enh shaman in the raid at the time.

My rotation was painstakingly difficult to keep up for some reason tonight. I got a nasty string of dodges when trying to refresh rip. And is 29 OOC procs over a 6:30 minute fight low?

Some of my WMO parses:

25-Man XT-002 Deconstructor Hard Mode
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Just for fun my guild went back and did Patchwerk on 25-man:
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Yes, I know. A poster above me asked if I had Windfury (Which would offset the -20% haste), because it wasn't showing up on the WMO reports. I double checked our shaman it it showed that he dropped Windfury; but the buff didn't show up on any of the melee DPS. Must have been a bug with WMO, or perhaps since the Windfury canceled out the effect of the -20% haste aura, it didn't register?