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Old 06/17/09, 2:46 PM   #76
Isambaard
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Stormrage
I'd like a sanity check to ensure I'm not wrong in thinking that at this point fixing my professions and upgrading gear are all that remain to push my DPS.
WoW Meter Online - Combatlog Replay in Engrish is XT hardmode. One thing to note is that Nemtorino was supposed to be the manglebot but it was dropping a lot so I was helping keep it up. That's being worked on. I also had decent luck with not being bombed much, though I did have to innervate a priest and I recall it making my timers go ackward for 20-30 seconds.
WoW Meter Online - Combatlog Replay in Engrish is Ignis, we missed the achievement by a whopping 1 second but I'm not thrilled with my dps there.

Am I being too hard on myself?

Just put me on ignore, you'll be happier that way. I assure you you'll miss nothing of value.

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Old 06/17/09, 3:49 PM   #77
Karnexus
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Originally Posted by kalbear View Post
Well, as you say Karnexus - a lot of it is how long the fight is. Most Ignis kills posted are sub 4 minutes; yours is about 6. That's going to make bloodlust a lot more valuable. Your spec is perfectly reasonable. You're wearing a lot of Valorous gear instead of the better gear from Ulduar or the hardmodes of T7, which is somewhat of a concern; most Valorous gear isn't well-optimized for cat. But all non-valorous gear is fairly reasonable. You aren't a JC though, and that does hurt you somewhat - and alchemy isn't ideal either. But that's not a huge deal.

My gut feeling is that you're doing too many FBs and allowing your rips to fall off.
First I appreciate the response. I know the shorter the fight the closer to our "peak" DPS we will end up and the greater effect Bloodlust will have it just seemed like such a huge drop off. And since the only way to fix that would be to go to a different guild I'll deal with it (fun/friends>loot).

I had/have [Leggings of the Honored]but with Twisted Visage I went way over the hit cap so I went back to my T7.5 legs And the Recluse chest i've lost on about 5 times which left me with the T7.5 chest or the [Tunic of the Limber Stalker] which again with TV put me well over the hit cap. All moot though as I did pick up my T8.5 chest last night , I just need to get it gemmed/enchanted.


FB is where I was thinking my issue might be as well but since my groups runs are longer I would end up with more anyway so it makes it hard for me to compare.

Like I said within my guild and amongst most of the guilds on my server I am all "yay" with my damage, then I come here and its like "sonuva". I've worked my arse off to get to the point I am at and it frustrates me that I seem to have a wall that I can't see.

Last edited by Karnexus : 06/17/09 at 4:05 PM.

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Old 06/17/09, 11:16 PM   #78
Valerian
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Blackhand
Here's a nice Ignis parse with 3 ferals in it, all reasonbly close.

WoW Meter Online - Combatlog Replay in Engrish

Skorion and Vitalia are ArP gemmed (mostly) and I'm gemmed for Agi (since I have some pieces that are dual purpose). I'm also significantly over the hit cap since I got [Twisted Visage] but even being over the hit cap all my pieces (according to Rawr) are still better than any alternatives I currently have available. Once I get another set of 8.5 legs I'll switch them in for the [Leggings of the Honored] and possibly switch my Chest out for something (I have the [Tunic of the Limber Stalker] and [Winter's Icy Embrace] once I can break my 4 set).

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Old 06/18/09, 1:53 AM   #79
Xantcha
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Originally Posted by Karnexus View Post
I can't for the life of me figure out what I am doing wrong. Granted compared to most of the guilds posted in here mine takes much longer with the fights. But I just see such a huge dropoff compared to everyone else and I can't figure out what it is I am doing wrong. My gear isn't bad and I do top the charts for my guild but as soon as I look at the stuff on here I start scratching my head as I know part of it is me I just can't figure out what.

WoW Meter Online - Combatlog Replay in Engrish
According to your logs for ignis.

Your skill uptimes just aren't good enough.

Your
Rake hovers around 65%
Rip is about 70%
Mangle is just a bit over 70%

All these should be at least a minimum of 80%.
Your SR uptime is pretty good at 92% but still could be better.

Because of the lack of bleed/mangle uptime this can affect your Shreds significantly.

Just quickly looking at your "Real-Time Chart", both times you berserk you don't do a significant amount of extra damage. This indicates to me your not using it correctly, (saving energy, cds etc.).

Your raid doesnt seem to have 4% Physical debuff, I don't see a enh shaman/frost shaman (20% haste or 4% if you had another shaman drop windfury, improved SoE etc.), no SUNDER ARMOR (THIS IS PRETTY BIG - total 30 seconds of expose armor).

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Old 06/18/09, 9:53 AM   #80
Karnexus
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Mal'Ganis
Your raid doesnt seem to have 4% Physical debuff, I don't see a enh shaman/frost shaman (20% haste or 4% if you had another shaman drop windfury, improved SoE etc.), no SUNDER ARMOR (THIS IS PRETTY BIG - total 30 seconds of expose armor).
Yeah our server seems to be lacking in the enh shaman department(none in our guild at all), warriors as well, we have one arms warrior who wasn't on that night.

I'm not even supposed to be doing Mangle, but the Arms wasn't there and the feral assigned to it doesn't seem to want to do it when he's not there. It has made me really miss the mangle glyph.

Rake and Rip I think I am not adjusting to all the movement our MT does for Ignis very well(We can't tank him next to the water...DPS was too low last time we did that on 25, worked great on my 10 man). Will work on that.

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Old 06/18/09, 2:44 PM   #81
Cluey
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Originally Posted by Karnexus View Post
Yeah our server seems to be lacking in the enh shaman department(none in our guild at all), warriors as well, we have one arms warrior who wasn't on that night.

I'm not even supposed to be doing Mangle, but the Arms wasn't there and the feral assigned to it doesn't seem to want to do it when he's not there. It has made me really miss the mangle glyph.

Rake and Rip I think I am not adjusting to all the movement our MT does for Ignis very well(We can't tank him next to the water...DPS was too low last time we did that on 25, worked great on my 10 man). Will work on that.
Karnexus at this point it doesn't really matter who is supposed to be covering a debuff, if it is something you can do and you can't trust someone else to cover, just do it yourself. Sure it might be better for someone else to do it but it not being present hurts you more than doing it yourself.
You are also running into a problem where the group you are playing with is limiting your ability to do better, you have stated that friends/fun>loot and I understand that. You will have to keep that in mind when you look at other reports here as a lot of them will have things covered a lot better than you are getting.

As Xantcha pointed out the major armor debuff was only present for thirty seconds of your raid. No matter how casual and fun you want to be this is pretty big raid fail and simple to fix, you are playing with friends so ask/explain/tell/demand/whatever them to cover these things to help your raid improve overall.
I just loaded myself up in Rawr and got it to display my current buffs as setup for a 25 man raid, the major armour debuff is showing as 365dps. This is only beaten for damage contribution from buffs by 10% AP and shaman totems Windfury and Strength of Earth.
Xantcha also covered your buff/debuff uptimes, so you are part of the wall you referred to as is your raid.
Originally Posted by Fuzzywuz View Post
Last nights Ignis kill: World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis


@Calysta: The one thing that really jumps out at me is the 16 hit gem you have on your pants, and the 8 agility 8 hit gem in your gloves. If you're gemming hit because you don't like how misses interfere with your DPS, then that's fine; however, point-for-point, hit gems are quite a bit lower on the DPS scale than agility or armor pen gems.

EDIT: WWS has your savage roar at a 93% up time; increasing that will substantially increase your DPS.
Fuzzy you are right in thinking that the hit gems are because I like to be capped, I find cat DPS challenging enough without needing to check if I got a combo point from the button I just pressed. I just pressed the button and it gives me a combo point, that is all I need to know. Currently only parries won't provide a combo point, they have a distinct sound and will only happen when the boss is facing me, so a graphical cue to which lets me know that a parry sound effect could mean no combo point is enough for me to cope with.

My actual Savage Roar uptime was better than 93% as this is the percentage of the fights duration, not the percentage of my time in combat. Thanks for taking a look though, I will now provide a bit of info for how to find more details from the fights.
I am hoping that this kind of explanation will help some of the newer posters analyse your own logs too so we can avoid the crap posts which are no more than a link with help me please.

As I expect most guilds do we have a hunter misdirect the boss to the tank, Ignis has a decent distance to cover before getting into the tanks range. If you browse the combat log you can see the first thing is a hunter Multi-shot, WWS sets the time stamp on this as zero.
We can add some filters to this to see when the tank is in range to build threat, there are numerous ways of working out who the tank was so lets filter for his name and ignis. So the first direct threat by the tank was eight seconds after ingis was shot and he was in tank melee range another second later.
0:00'08.031 Duskcaller Icy Touch hits Ignis the Furnace Master for 905 Frost.
0:00'09.188 Duskcaller melee swing hits Ignis the Furnace Master for 1391 Physical.
Doing a similar thing for me we see that I enter combat with the tank using a low threat move, as I stated before I should probably stop doing this although pounce did do 5834 damage which isn't horrible.
0:00'09.188 Ignis the Furnace Master is afflicted by Pounce Bleed.
We know from my debuffs and post that I was put in the Slag Pot twice, we can also filter out the timing on these. So from looking at that you can see for the time I was in combat it was down for two seconds apart from while being interrupted by the Slag Pot.

I hope that helps a few of you understand what you can get out of WWS, it certainly isn't perfect but neither are the current alternatives.
This brings me nicely to your log from World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis which has some great features, I just can't get the log browsing to work as well as I have it sorted with WWS.

This may be helpful for many people reading, open this link in another window so you can follow the following instructions.
You should be looking at a graph, along the top of the graph are different tabs.
Click on the Buffs Cast link, in the list on the left click on the # symbol on the same line as Savage Roar. The page will reload with a graph along the top.
Now click on the # symbols next to Mangle, Rake and Rip.
You can see it adds them beneath the graph as a green bar which is corresponding to when they were active.
From this it looks like you cast Rake and then Savage Roar followed by Mangle, you really want to swap the Rake and Mangle around so the Rake is buffed by both the Mangle debuff and Savage Roar.
You can add as many buffs or debuffs to this display as you are comfortable viewing at once.

I think this is a pretty damn cool display and I will look into uploading logs to here as well. I'm not sure how many others have played with this which is why I went through that step by step.

I think it was Boevis who said he was encouraging people to upload to WoW Meter Online - Combatlog Replay.
I don't know about others but I find the reports sort of hang when I click on them, quite often I won't get the page to display until I remove the #damageout from the provided URL's.
It does have a nice polished look to the overall site and the Top Scores feature is nice but for analysing what went right or wrong I am finding it lacking.
Take for example the XT-002 fight from Karnexus, this link is to targets he damaged during this section of the log. The Heart of the Deconstructor isn't a link so you can't follow it and see who did what to it, at least you can't from here. It may be possible to find this information but I am unsure how, if someone else can provide how to do this I would be grateful.
If it is possible can you also filter out only the first heart phase in normal kills too?
I worked out how to do this with WWS logs, it is time consuming but I found it a handy link to provide to the guild before we started actively going for heard mode as it showed everyone where they stood and helped us sort out some positioning errors early.

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Old 06/18/09, 3:28 PM   #82
Karnexus
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Tauren Druid
 
Mal'Ganis
@Cluey
Thank you for the response and I will be pointing some things out to my guild that we can fix as a whole. To be honest while I obviously know certain buffs/debuffs increase my personal DPS I didn't realise certain buffs had as large an impact as they do.

Xantcha also covered your buff/debuff uptimes, so you are part of the wall you referred to
Yeah I gathered that which is why I made the post seeing if someone could sheperd me on my way te extracting my head from my nether regions.

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Old 06/18/09, 7:37 PM   #83
Fuzzywuz
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@Cluey:

In your own words that is a damn cool display. I didn't know that it existed prior to your post--thanks a lot for that run through; our guild just recently switched to world of logs and I'm still learning how to get the most out of it.

Its unfortunate, however, that I cant see where I used FB--I suspect that my periods of rip downtime correspond with a FB that was used at the wrong time. Regardless...goddamn. That graph is useful

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Old 06/18/09, 8:32 PM   #84
Sephon
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Night Elf Druid
 
Doomhammer
I will have to add in my agreement that WorldOfLogs, while still being actively developed and tested is a really nice tool.

Another good use of it is tracking outside buffs, for example Horn of Winter, Abominable Might etc. Knowing when buffs like these drop can explain why one night you are clearing 6k and the next you are struggling to hit 5.5k+

Heck even the basic damage output graph is useful, seeing where heroism is cast, its effect on overall raid dps, damage spikes etc allow you to know where to look when you cant explain why something happened.

World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis

@ 20.29.56 my dps spiked ridiculously high, and was way out of the ordinary, so i hopped on over to the buffs gained tab and started plotting ability bars below the graph of raid damage, and right near the 20.30 mark ( closest one marked on the graph ) I saw why. Both my trinkets had procced ( greatness deck and pyrite infuser ) and I had Berserked towards the end of both of their buffs running stacked together ( proving buff stacking really works in more then just theory-crafting ).

In this case it was simply a stroke of luck and nothing planned as Razor's boss mechanic dictates when the first Berserk is to be used and the second one was simply when it came off of cooldown. However mechanics permitting this could be used to trigger some ridiculously high burst damage built into the course of a fight where the boss mechanic does not dictate when Berserk is best used. Stacking buffs is common knowledge to most, but data like this reinforces it much better sometimes then pure math does.

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Old 06/20/09, 5:10 AM   #85
Droodey
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Night Elf Druid
 
Dath'Remar
HI everyone, I just recently regemed all my tanking gear for cat and put together a cat set, Ive been doing ok from what it seems, I wonder if any of yous can take a look at my wws parse and give me some pointers on how I can improve my dps.

WoW Meter Online - Combatlog Replay

I think I can push a bit more out of my current gear though, any help would be appreciated

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Old 06/20/09, 11:46 AM   #86
Supahflii
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Tauren Druid
 
Bleeding Hollow
Heroic General Kill a couple nights ago:
World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis

It really seems like I'm doing low DPS for my gear level, IDK. If anyone could kindly look at the log and see if I'm making any grave mistakes. The only things I could think of are refresh Rake more, FB less, and clip some Savage Roars/Rips so I can refresh sooner.

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Old 06/24/09, 5:20 AM   #87
Talanik
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and clip some Savage Roars/Rips so I can refresh sooner.
Clipping your rips is NEVER a good idea. If you're at 5 CP's and Rip is about to fall off, just save your energy until it falls off (Make sure you used Shred 3 times though from the time you applied it, as to increase the duration), re-rip and build up more CP's for a FB/SR refresh.

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Old 06/24/09, 10:09 AM   #88
Pike
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Originally Posted by Talanik View Post
Clipping your rips is NEVER a good idea. If you're at 5 CP's and Rip is about to fall off, just save your energy until it falls off (Make sure you used Shred 3 times though from the time you applied it, as to increase the duration), re-rip and build up more CP's for a FB/SR refresh.
I don't know if I'd say "never", but generally speaking. Like when Razorscale is about to take off for instance.

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Old 06/24/09, 2:05 PM   #89
Fuzzywuz
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Originally Posted by Supahflii View Post
Heroic General Kill a couple nights ago:
World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis

It really seems like I'm doing low DPS for my gear level, IDK. If anyone could kindly look at the log and see if I'm making any grave mistakes. The only things I could think of are refresh Rake more, FB less, and clip some Savage Roars/Rips so I can refresh sooner.
I'm not great with WMO, but I'd look at the points where your DPS dips down to 4K or lower, and try to figure out why (SR down? Rip down?). Again, this is speculation and I wish I could see what buffs expired and when, but your DPS peaks are usually followed by some significant lows, and I'd say this is because you're using FB too often and at the expense of your SR and bleed debuff uptime (rip and rake).

One of the most useful tools for me has been nightcrowlers work on DPS dispersion (halfway down his OP). As I understand it, if you're doing everything right (near 100% rip, rake, SR, mangle uptimes) you should always do a minimum of X dps and a maximum of Y dps, depending on external factors like RNG, chaining hysteria buffs ETC. Between 3-4 minutes, you have a nice, stable peak of ~6.4K dps--that stability is what you're looking for.

Your gear looks fine, but at your level of ArP, the shred idol will be better for your damage than the rip idol.

I hope that helps

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Old 06/24/09, 2:36 PM   #90
Talanik
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Originally Posted by Pike View Post
I don't know if I'd say "never", but generally speaking. Like when Razorscale is about to take off for instance.
Well, yeah. Thats just common sense, if you aren't going to be able to DPS the thing for a while (Eg. Razorscale, Mimirons head, Yogg's Brain) then you're going to try to get a full refresh on rip. But on most fights and scenarios, you never want to refresh rip early.

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