Here is my most recent one. I still don't get a mangle/trauma bot, no tricks, no hysteria etc. I can definitely do better, get higher but I'm pushing my ceiling atm I believe without getting any of the aforementioned buffs.
Given the gear difference between myself and someone like Calleriel I look to be doing ok. About to log in and regem arp and move a couple of points in my spec - any other suggestions very welcome.
the difference between your gear and Calleriel's is the large amount of haste which directly effects the icd for clearcasting as it always has since BC. (it could also be a bit of luck, but 150-200 haste vs 600 haste... pretty big diff)
the difference between your gear and Calleriel's is the large amount of haste which directly effects the icd for clearcasting as it always has since BC. (it could also be a bit of luck, but 150-200 haste vs 600 haste... pretty big diff)
Yeah, I'm beginning to wonder whether that's the "hidden" benefit of all the haste we'll start to accumulate as we continue to gear up in ICC.
Going in to that Saurfang kill I was expecting to do around 10K given numbers I'd seen in previous weeks on different fights. It didn't "feel" particularly lucky. I lost my sequencing/rotation about mid way through and it really didn't seem like it'd be a particularly good parse until I uploaded it. I do think I probably got 4 or 5 more OOC procs than I should reasonably have expected, but that's a marginal DPS (maybe 100-150) difference - an extra shred per minute.
Anyway, we raid mornings so I'll likely have a new Saurfang parse Wednesday - I'll upload it for comparison. I'll be interested to see if my OOC "luck" holds out, and whether the haste has a meaningful contribution.
Also, I think it has a lot to do with the fact that my gear is currently in an itemization sweet spot - ArPen soft cap (scorpion proc), hit cap (with a draenai), expertise cap, very close to the crit cap (raid buffed). I'll be interested to see how that all changes as I "upgrade" and start aiming for the ArPen hard cap.
Anyway, we raid mornings so I'll likely have a new Saurfang parse Wednesday - I'll upload it for comparison. I'll be interested to see if my OOC "luck" holds out, and whether the haste has a meaningful contribution.
That's going to be very interesting. I only managed to get 27 procs in 5.24 (with 581 haste rating). I think my main problem is Rip uptime though.
the difference between your gear and Calleriel's is the large amount of haste which directly effects the icd for clearcasting as it always has since BC. (it could also be a bit of luck, but 150-200 haste vs 600 haste... pretty big diff)
All that haste is also a massive boost in plane old white damage. Comparing the two logs - napkin maths while at work inc - Orsana's white damage contributed around 2.9K dps while Calleriel's around 3.7K. Calleriel also hit Saurfang about 15% more times than Orsana on a per-second basis.
On an intuitive level, as you stack more ArP each white hit is going to hit for more and so more haste is going to be more and more useful. Especially given the silly levels that crit is reaching.
Yeah, I'm beginning to wonder whether that's the "hidden" benefit of all the haste we'll start to accumulate as we continue to gear up in ICC.
Going in to that Saurfang kill I was expecting to do around 10K given numbers I'd seen in previous weeks on different fights. It didn't "feel" particularly lucky. I lost my sequencing/rotation about mid way through and it really didn't seem like it'd be a particularly good parse until I uploaded it. I do think I probably got 4 or 5 more OOC procs than I should reasonably have expected, but that's a marginal DPS (maybe 100-150) difference - an extra shred per minute.
Unless things have changed, the expected number of OOC procs for you to get with your number of white attacks (25 hits, 301 crits, 86 glances) would be 24, but you got 37. That's a bump of 576 dps from Shred alone, before factoring in the additional combo points, which appear to have allowed you to maintain 84% uptime on Rip while adding 6 FBs. I would be very surprised if you experience 8.5 OOC procs per minute on a consistent basis.
I just popped my head in to this thread and noticed the talk of haste rating and OOC procs on Saurfang.
My guild runs two feral druids. In terms of gear, the most glaring difference was their differences in haste rating. One uses a number of the same pieces for tanking, etc. but he seemed to have around 250 more haste than our other cat. We spent a few minutes after the raid browsing the log to see why the differences were so large on a tank and spank like Saurfang and we found a huge disparity in OOC procs. There could be other reasons (FB usage, wasted combo point uptime, etc.) for the difference, but the point stands that there is very large spread with OOC.
Fight was 5:52 so that gives Therette ~7.32 ppm and Bro ~3.74ppm.
Unfortunately I don't have Bro's exact haste value from that night (armory in tank gear) but it was around 50% of Therette's 502 rating from gear.
Then again, with just one parse it could be a lucky streak like Melthu and others are proposing. I can post our parse later tonight if he's not tanking and see if there's a significant decrease in the ppm.
Here is this week's Saurfang parse. I saw a 600+ DPS increase, as well as increased R/R uptimes (still no mangle bot, hysteria, tricks etc.) I picked up 2 piece t10 + Distant Land tonight so I'm interested to see how that affects my DPS in the coming week.
This week's parse. No hysteria, tricks, etc. as usual. Felt a little laggy. Far fewer clearcasting procs than last week. Also, our kill was much faster this week - the ranged are getting more efficient at dealing with the adds.
After reading the feral dps post and playing around with Rawr, I changed my gear and also re-gemmed to see and I still feel something is off since the dps seems bit low.
I would like to see how ICC 25m goes next Tuesday with my current gear/gem changes, but please comment on the current ICC report and what could be improved, thanks.
Saurfang seems to be a good fight to measure dps, though depending on how long the fight lasts for you will definitely skew dps numbers a good bit, but that's true for any situation obviously.
No tricks/hysteria/mangle bot, but that's all obvious from reading the wmo.
Trying to compare to Callereil I noticed his fight lasted 4:07 with 26 OoC procs and 9.6k DPS done. My fight lasted 3:26 with only 16 OoC and 9.2k DPS done. So in roughly 40 seconds, he got 10 more OoC procs. And he also stated and showed that he got several less OoC procs this week, but the fights were also shorter. I know OoC is very RNG based, but Haste contributes to it and I have roughly 2% more haste when comparing gear. 10 OoC procs over 40 seconds still seems like a lot, so overall, my OoC procs seem very low for the fight. Then again I could be wrong as I'm terrible with math, so if anyone would like to confirm that I got low procs, or about average, or what.
Edit: Just noticed Callereil had a mangle bot, which is what gave him a lot more shreds then me, even accounting that his fight lasted longer. That + the extra 10 OoC procs could easily account for the DPS difference between us, unless I'm missing something else? I still feel that I had very bad OoC procs.
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No tricks/hysteria/mangle bot, but that's all obvious from reading the wmo.
Trying to compare to Callereil I noticed his fight lasted 4:07 with 26 OoC procs and 9.6k DPS done. My fight lasted 3:26 with only 16 OoC and 9.2k DPS done. So in roughly 40 seconds, he got 10 more OoC procs. And he also stated and showed that he got several less OoC procs this week, but the fights were also shorter. I know OoC is very RNG based, but Haste contributes to it and I have roughly 2% more haste when comparing gear. 10 OoC procs over 40 seconds still seems like a lot, so overall, my OoC procs seem very low for the fight. Then again I could be wrong as I'm terrible with math, so if anyone would like to confirm that I got low procs, or about average, or what.
Edit: Just noticed Callereil had a mangle bot, which is what gave him a lot more shreds then me, even accounting that his fight lasted longer. That + the extra 10 OoC procs could easily account for the DPS difference between us, unless I'm missing something else? I still feel that I had very bad OoC procs.
2 weeks ago my OCC procs were out of control, last week they were just about on target - it looks like you were really unlucky this week. That, along with your Mangle duties, definitely make me think you'd be equal to, or slightly above my DPS. Also, your raid DPS is pretty high, so the fight is so short that your likely to get overlap between one of your berserks and heroism which isn't entirely optimal.
It's definitely looking like somewhere around 9800-10000 is our practical average DPS in full 264 gear on Saurfang the target dummy, but that normal fight RNG, mangle duties, etc. can have a pretty substantial effect (maybe 10%) in either direction. Basically, I'd feel really happy with a 9.5K parse, and be overjoyed with anything approaching or over 10K.
The reason theres a big gap between me and the next person down is because the raid lead told me to just stay on the boss and everyone else (including melee) switch to the adds.
Pretty slow kill compared to everyone elses, i thought my uptimes on SR/rip/rake were all good. had a mangle bot and no tricks/hysteria.
Should i be doing more DPS than this or is this good considering the time it took/my gear?
The reason theres a big gap between me and the next person down is because the raid lead told me to just stay on the boss and everyone else (including melee) switch to the adds.
Pretty slow kill compared to everyone elses, i thought my uptimes on SR/rip/rake were all good. had a mangle bot and no tricks/hysteria.
Should i be doing more DPS than this or is this good considering the time it took/my gear?
Your uptimes are awesome. Unluckily, your number of OOC procs for such a long fight seem pretty low. Your DPS seems to be in line with your gear - the cats with 9K+ parses in this thread all have ToGC and more ICC25 loot than you currently have access to.
Recently upgraded to Distant Lands and a few other 264 pieces. Still feel im doing something wrong.
Had hysteria twice, No mangle bot.
Look at you uptimes. Your rip is 70% and it should be in the mid-high 80s. Mangle is 88%, and should be in the mid 90s. It doesn't look like you were switching for adds, so your uptimes is what you need to work on. Don't spend your energy as soon as you get it. Instead, pool to reapply debuffs that are about to expire and think ahead.
Also, please don't use arp+stam gem to get a 6 agility bonus :P
No Hysteria, Tricks, etc. Pure single target on Saurfang. Awful Rip uptime today I lead our raids and we had a horrible composition/attendance issues this morning so my attention was elsewhere for much of the fight. Not our best showing on this fight by a long stretch.
That's from last nights Marrowgar, which I had incredible luck with procs. 17 procs in 2:37. Rest of the report for bosses is rather depressing as Tuesdays on Illidan tend to be very, very laggy. DC'd on 3 seperate bosses so my Saurfang numbers are horribly off. But the Marrowgar fight at least shows what's capable with nice RNG.
Doing ToGC 25 and Putricide tonight, we'll see how those go.
12/30/09, 8:52 PM
I lead our raids and we had a horrible composition/attendance issues this morning so my attention was elsewhere for much of the fight. Not our best showing on this fight by a long stretch.
