Moonkin Beginner Guide (obsolete; use the TTT article now (in my sig)) - Page 10

Xerophyte · 07/10/09, 11:22 AM

On the IS glyph, the magnitude of the DPS increase is considerably smaller than the magnitude of the DTPS increase for most fights. Looking at some logs for my admittedly not particularly well-progressed raid: if I glyphed on XT HM I'd have caused ~1.0% more raid damage taken for ~0.09% more raid damage done. On Thorim HM, which granted is one of the worst examples, the ratio would be ~2.2% more raid damage taken for ~0.12% more raid damage done. On Freya+1 and assuming IS was up on the Conservator and part of the trio in P1 and Freya in P2, ~0.5% raid damage taken for ~0.2% raid damage done.

Freya, Mimiron, Razorscale and Yogg are essentially the only fights in the instance where I find an IS glyph is worth it and even then its only barely so on Freya and Mimi. For the other fights, in terms of survivability/damage trade-off ratio (if clearly not magnitude) it's similar to having the raid swap from 3 healers to 2 healers in order to get that 22nd dpser in.

Poromu · 07/10/09, 6:55 PM

Yes but it's hard to really measure since generally it only affects the tanks and a lot of the healing done to them will be overhealing. Yes, there is a chance it could save a tanks life but the odds are pretty astounding. When my tank dies or my healers run oom then it's easy to measure and obviously the Starfall glyph would take it's place. I just don't see the benefit if neither of those are happening.

I will probably be glyphing for Starfall for 10m Algalon tonight though, since his melee damage is pretty obscene.

• Hamlet · 07/11/09, 2:52 AM

Updated partially for recent theorycraft work and 3.2. Still need to work on spell rotation section a bit.

Poromu · 07/11/09, 3:31 AM

Originally Posted by Arawethion

Glyphs

Major Glyphs: the best three for single-target DPS are Insect Swarm, Moonfire, and Starfire.

Some people like to use Glyph of Starfall, as it stlll gives some single-target DPS contribution, and it's a very strong AoE spell to have available more often. If you want to use it, replace Moonfire. [3.2: Once you have 2T9, replace Insect Swarm instead]

Isn't it the Starfire glyph that you would replace with Starfall not the Moonfire glyph? Did I miss something relevant, are the 3 extra ticks worth more than the 75% increased DoT damage?

• Hamlet · 07/11/09, 3:54 AM

Originally Posted by Poromu

Isn't it the Starfire glyph that you would replace with Starfall not the Moonfire glyph? Did I miss something relevant, are the 3 extra ticks worth more than the 75% increased DoT damage?

I just changed, but I've been showing the Starfire Glyph as stronger for a while now. It's not too crazy; a single Moonfire cast does more damage with Glyph of SF than with MF.

raidingmail · 07/12/09, 4:15 AM

So I was looking over this post and I'm curious your saying 2 pc t8.5 and 2x t9 has anyone seen these items yet and compared them to current items to see which exact 2 peices you would use for each set and what would be the new possible best in slot non teir peices etc. Just curious I was looking around some other forums and I haven't come up with much other then there are some really nice new leather stam/int/spell gears coming out and a belt that makes me kinda sad I had one crafted from runed orbs.

Poromu · 07/12/09, 11:35 AM

Originally Posted by raidingmail

So I was looking over this post and I'm curious your saying 2 pc t8.5 and 2x t9 has anyone seen these items yet and compared them to current items to see which exact 2 peices you would use for each set and what would be the new possible best in slot non teir peices etc. Just curious I was looking around some other forums and I haven't come up with much other then there are some really nice new leather stam/int/spell gears coming out and a belt that makes me kinda sad I had one crafted from runed orbs.

It's really going to come down to when all the loot is released and we can examine which peice will be offset.

Huskar · 07/17/09, 1:45 PM

trivial typo:

"As you learn each fight, pay attention to things THAT kill the Treants and time your cast to avoid them if possible."

Ledneh · 07/18/09, 11:44 PM

When looking at the WrathCalc spreadsheet, how much difference can I reasonably expect between what it tells me I should be doing and what I actually did in terms of DPS before I should start to think "I done fucked up"?

I ask because I've been staring at parses for a 20m Sarth+0 we wrapped up a while ago, on which I did 3750 or so DPS (and got second place), but WrathCalc is convinced I should have done between 4750 and 5000 depending on how I jigger the raid buffs (totems especially, I can't tell from the parses whether or not I got totem buffs and, despite the presence of three Shamans, my memory is fuzzy on the matter).

For reference, here's my World of Logs parse for Sarth. The only out-and-out mistake I can think of I did is triggering a Solar Eclipse by mistake.

Only real information I need is how "unrealistic" the spreadsheet can be expected to be, but any other advice is always appreciated if you feel like giving it of course.

And thanks, Arawethion, for all the advice given in the OP for doofs like me

Altiris · 07/19/09, 12:36 AM

I can't tell you how much DPS you should have been doing, but keep in mind that wrathcalcs, rawr, etc. are giving you optimal DPS for stand and nuke fights. Sartharion is not a really good fight for judging your dps. If you are still doing Naxx, a better fight would be Patchwerk. If you are doing Ulduar, then depending on how you do the fights Ignis and Mimiron are fairly good. Any time you are moving, taking spell pushback, switching targets and having your rotation interrupted, etc. you are going to be losing DPS compared to a Patchwerk style fight.

cidome · 07/19/09, 12:42 AM

I have recently started to dps as a moonkin in raid but i found my dps a bit low. So i have decided to do some dps test on a heroic dummy and i get an average of 3.3k dps on a 3mins test.

rotation:
Treants>IFF>IS>MF>wrath till eclipse>SF

I only reapply dots when eclipse is on ICD and when the cooldown ends. And starfall whenever CD is up

Here is my armory link:
The World of Warcraft Armory

I have heard that with my gear i should be doing 3.6 to 3.8k dps. Am i doing something wrong?

thanks

Ledneh · 07/19/09, 12:57 AM

Originally Posted by Altiris

I can't tell you how much DPS you should have been doing, but keep in mind that wrathcalcs, rawr, etc. are giving you optimal DPS for stand and nuke fights. Sartharion is not a really good fight for judging your dps. If you are still doing Naxx, a better fight would be Patchwerk. If you are doing Ulduar, then depending on how you do the fights Ignis and Mimiron are fairly good. Any time you are moving, taking spell pushback, switching targets and having your rotation interrupted, etc. you are going to be losing DPS compared to a Patchwerk style fight.

I hadn't considered that. Well, I HAD, but I didn't think it would be that huge an impact on Sarth, since I tried to reapply DoTs while moving for flame waves as much as possible.

Still, I'll keep that in mind.

• Adoriele · 07/19/09, 1:03 AM

Originally Posted by Ledneh

I hadn't considered that. Well, I HAD, but I didn't think it would be that huge an impact on Sarth, since I tried to reapply DoTs while moving for flame waves as much as possible.

Still, I'll keep that in mind.

Look at a WWS parse some time, and see how much of your damage is done by DoTs. Any time you're moving, you're cutting your DPS to that much. And there's a lot of moving on Sarth.

Elonder · 07/23/09, 5:48 AM

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• Hamlet · 07/26/09, 2:43 AM

New version of 3.2 spreadsheet with fixed stacking of Wrath bonuses.