Moonkin Beginner Guide (obsolete; use the TTT article now (in my sig)) - Page 24

ZomgAGnome · 09/19/09, 7:31 AM

Originally Posted by Arawethion

Now, trinkets:
I did a really quick analysis for now. I think the on-use haste effects ([Scale of Fates] and [Talisman of Volatile Power]) are rather weak. One of the issues is that they're both 20second effects, so their uptime is somewhat wasted in a ~13s Eclipse. The spreadsheet model does assume that the haste effect applies only during the Eclipse itself, but with truncation, you're going from a Lunar into casting Wrath nearly every time, so this is pretty accurate anyway. This effect is even worse for Talisman, since you waste the good part of the proc.

Do you think you're modeling this correctly? I use the Talisman on wrath casts w/ approximately 6 seconds before solar eclipse falls off. The increased casting time for the short period results in a little bit of clipping on wraths; but it also powers the stack to 8 quickly. Given the fast wrath and overall high gear score the lunar eclipse will come quickly and then that leads to fully hasted starfires.

• Hamlet · 09/19/09, 2:49 PM

Originally Posted by ZomgAGnome

Do you think you're modeling this correctly? I use the Talisman on wrath casts w/ approximately 6 seconds before solar eclipse falls off. The increased casting time for the short period results in a little bit of clipping on wraths; but it also powers the stack to 8 quickly. Given the fast wrath and overall high gear score the lunar eclipse will come quickly and then that leads to fully hasted starfires.

That probably is a better use; I'll try modeling it somehow. It still probably won't be a top trinket though, not only are you still losing a lot of uptime, but timered trinkets are typically not tuned as strongly as proc trinkets in the first place.

Druidark · 09/20/09, 6:42 PM

When going for a burst, lunar with hero and the scales of fates trinket feels godlike in combination with a potion of speed.

But could someone give me some numbers on highly hasted (buffs, 400~haste from gear, ng, scale of fates; without hero, with hero) starfires when lunar is on cd vs eclipsed wraths (under same haste effects). For the situation where moonfire runs out a few sec before or after lunar eclipse ends, in both cases only refresh moonfire after lunar and don't clip. Starfire spam for the last seconds of the trinket on use effects will prolong the moonfire. Mostly I will refresh insect swarm at this point and spam wraths for the short duration left on solar.

Rawzor · 09/21/09, 4:02 PM

Been reading this post for about a month now and decided to throw in some questions that might have been overlooked.

1. You say hit cap > haste "soft cap" > Sp and then crit int and to some extend spirit, does'nt luminous amertine surpass runed cardinal if you lacking some crit?

2. Is there a solid choice for 2T9 and 2T8 you should use or go with what stat you need the most?

Johnykakes · 09/21/09, 5:04 PM

I agree with Zomg. I have also done some tests and I have a macro that first applies my dots IFF, IS, MF, then pops starfall as well as the Talisman. And amazingly every time a starfall hits it adds a stack of the haste, allowing it to reach its full potential much quicker, usually taking me about 4 secs (give or take) on average to get the full haste benefit. By that time I also usually proc eclipse so it works beautifully. I think used correctly this trinket is far superior to the lvl 200 ones and rivals SoF a bit. I think it deserves some credit.

Note: I'm using the heroic version of this trink. Also, I would much rather have a pure sp trinket like DS or Reign but alas this one will suit me well until then.

Fonzey · 09/22/09, 5:49 AM

Originally Posted by Rawzor

Been reading this post for about a month now and decided to throw in some questions that might have been overlooked.

1. You say hit cap > haste "soft cap" > Sp and then crit int and to some extend spirit, does'nt luminous amertine surpass runed cardinal if you lacking some crit?

2. Is there a solid choice for 2T9 and 2T8 you should use or go with what stat you need the most?

You've answered your own question really! Assuming Hit and Haste 'caps' have been met - which isn't a problem with Naxx gear or higher regardless of Gems it's time to stack Spell Power. Crit > Int > Spirit comes 'accidentally' from gear stats, not from gems or enchants.

The stat weights on Page1 are a good way of looking at the stats available:

Spell Power 1.4
Crit 1.1
Intellect 0.5
Spirit 0.4

It should come as no surprise looking at those, that Runed Cardinal is the best gem choice for every slot - with the exception of Meta qualification which requires the use of two blues (12sp / 10 spir).

The best choice for 2pc T9 is certainly the head and chest, as you're trading the T8 spirit for more offensive stats, without dropping the hit you should already be geared around.

Pantsoffancy · 09/22/09, 11:01 AM

Originally Posted by Arawethion

Yes, and WiseEclipse also usually eliminates the situation where you've failed to proc Solar and the Lunar ICD is coming back up, so you want to switch back to Wrath. But it still happens occasionally due to imperfect timing or movement, so I like to be able to see my Eclipse ICD somewhere.

I might have missed a comment somewhere, but doesn't Squawk and Awe monitor both cooldowns just fine?

Yllidan · 09/22/09, 11:23 AM

Originally Posted by Fonzey

It should come as no surprise looking at those, that Runed Cardinal is the best gem choice for every slot - with the exception of Meta qualification which requires the use of two blues (12sp / 10 spir).

Another exeption would be a yellow slot with a bonus of +5 (or more) spellpower for a [Potent Ametrine], at least for your stat weights.

nesf · 09/22/09, 11:40 AM

Originally Posted by Pantsoffancy

I might have missed a comment somewhere, but doesn't Squawk and Awe monitor both cooldowns just fine?

Squawk and Awe, at least for me, overwrites the cooldown for Lunar when Solar procs, as in they're monitored on the same bar.

♦ Lorewanderer · 09/22/09, 5:04 PM

Keep in mind that at least as of the .17 release of Rawr, there isn't a default gemming set that includes veiled or potent gems. You'll have them as custom templates for it to properly gem for that.

Rondaru · 09/23/09, 1:21 PM

Could it be that the 3.2.2 change to Typhoon is broken? Mobs that were dazed for 3 seconds after hit by my Typhoon yesterday suddenly are not being dazed at all.

Edit: just figured out that it works - but the mobs I was previously farming apparently became immune to daze effect.

Poggen · 09/24/09, 6:17 AM

Hi all,

First and foremost, thanks to all of you that contribute to moonkin theorycrafting. I hope it's ok if I post a gear question here. To start with, here's my The World of Warcraft Armory.

As you can see, I get the 2PT8 from the head and leg pieces atm. I also have the T8 chest in my inventory. I get the 2PT9 from the chest and shoulder (T9.232 - i know it sucks, but i wanted the 2PT9 so bad) and the gloves (T9.245 - from VoA, lucky me). Now to the question; I just got a trophy last night and now I wonder whether I should switch one of the T9.232 pieces to a T9.245, or if I should buy the T9.245 helm? If you think i should do the latter, then which of my T8 pieces should I "re-equip" to keep my 2PT8? Or should i simply get the 4PT9? I know i should try to get another T8 piece (shoulder or gloves), but I'm no longer raiding 25-man content (at least not Ulduar) due to starting a 10-man guild with irl-friends.

Grateful for any advice,

TinkTink @ EU-Neptulon

Selini · 09/24/09, 7:23 AM

Swap to mid tier chest imo, it's the strongest piece in the set. Unless you have a t8 piece to swap in after getting t9 helm, just go for chest.

My setup is t8 legs, shoulder, t9 head, chest.

Poggen · 09/24/09, 8:37 AM

Unless you have a t8 piece to swap in after getting t9 helm, just go for chest.

That's what i'd like to do too, but since the only T8 pieces i have are the chest, legs and helm, that doesn't seem to be and option? If only I would have the T8 shoulders my problem would be solved. :/ Hmm..

Mawic · 09/25/09, 4:03 PM

If you can't get the shoulders, are the gloves something you could reasonably obtain? Legs/Shoulders is definitely the best combo for maintaining the T8 2pc. But Legs/Gloves is a reasonable second best.

The T9 Helm/Chest is just too strong. Losing either one of them hurts.