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Old 10/22/09, 10:07 PM   #421
Beauty
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tiers???

Nevermind, I figured it out

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Old 10/23/09, 7:52 AM   #422
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Originally Posted by aldones View Post
I don't have any points on Intensity, and neither should you. In your case, Dreamstate _should_ be better (do the math, please).

And get rid of ImpMF. Really not worth it. better to put those 2 points somewhere else. There is some math on this thread to prove it.


Get rid of Owkin Frenzy. It is useless
You are right that we shouldn't need any points in intensity, neither should you have any in dreamstate. And if you don't have mana problems then genesis is better then moonglow.
I'm currently running around with 28.4k mana raidbuffed as boomkin, intensity is still remarkable stronger then dreamstate if i would want to invest in a regen talent.

With T9 2pc set mf crit bonus.. and in addition with the T9 or T10 idol you should try to have moonfire up 100% which makes impMF a no brainer to take.

If i would the have the luxury to take 2 balance pve specs then the first would have 2/2 in gale winds and the second i would take 2/3 owlkin frenzy, other options are 2/3 brambles or 2 extra points for genesis.

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Old 10/23/09, 7:02 PM   #423
aldones
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Originally Posted by Diba View Post
Imp. MF >>>>>>>>>>>>> Moonglow >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Genesis

Dreamstate and Intensity are both pretty useless too, as you really shouldn't oom that much unless we're talking long fights or aoe fights like Anub.

IIRC haste doesn't get that bad after the cap, it's quite even with crit (?)

I don't have any points on either Dreamstate or Intensity. As long as other people (healers etc) don't need my innervate, I can go on forever.

I forgot about 2T9, which might actually make ImpMF worth it. The last time I checked ImpMF numbers was during T8 content.

And no. Crit is better than haste if you have more than 401 haste. That is not saying haste is bad after that point. It is still huge, but since Wrath is responsible for at least 40% of your damage (or should be), and you will be hitting the GCD at 401, that haste is just wasted during that part of your rotation, while crit will benefit everything.

And since we are talking about T9 content, is Typhoon still worth it ? I'm speced for it, and it was great at Ulduar, but ToC ? I'm seriously considering dropping it for something else (please consider I run around 300ms latency, which makes breaking my rotation even worse).

Been thinking a about changing my spec. I'm 4T9 right now, with the T9 idol.

Current: 58/0/13

New one: 58/0/13 with ImpMF and 3 iIS

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Old 10/23/09, 7:06 PM   #424
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With 2T9 and IMF, you should only have 1/3 Moonglow. That frees up two filler points--I currently have them in Owlkin, which is just as good as any other option.

The exception is Anub'arak 25H. There you need Gale Winds, and I'd recommend the point in Typhoon as well (as well as Glyph of Typhoon and Glyph of Starfall).


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Old 10/23/09, 9:38 PM   #425
aldones
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Well, my guild is nowhere near 25H Anub, so I'm not going to worry about that right now. we are still struggling with the NB on 25H. I can see your points there, tho, and agree about Gale Winds. Just not so sure about Typhoon. But, to tell you the truth, I'm just bored with that spell, so I'm biased.

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Old 10/28/09, 6:17 PM   #426
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I've read the whole thread and the moonkin raiding thread. Also searched through the forum. I have been unable to find the final aswer to this question:

Should 2 x T8 be replaced with T9 lvl232 anytime or as soon as possible?

In the opening post of this thread it is stated that moonkins should aim quickly to 2 x T9, yet by reading this thread it seems T8 set bonus might be too valuable for DPS to be replaced. I don't think I will be getting T9 lvl245 pieces any time soon and most likely never T9 LVL258. I've got otherwise decent gear lvl219 - 245. LVL245 chest & head, LVL232 shoulders (not tier sets).

My earlier post to this thread was mistakely removed by forum admin, but this is a legimate question it seems, because I am unable to find a clear answer and I've spent hours and hours trying to find an answer. There are contradicting opinions.

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Old 10/28/09, 6:36 PM   #427
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this thread, first post - look at the sig

"2)" is the point you are interested, and this is the way it has to be

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Old 10/28/09, 7:02 PM   #428
druidi
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Originally Posted by smallrabbit View Post
this thread, first post - look at the sig

"2)" is the point you are interested, and this is the way it has to be
Ah lol, I guess search doesn't include signatures .. you guys should post that in the 1st post/reply anyways instead of the signature... I don't Im not the first one to not notice that, since signatures do not usually include this kind of useful information.

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Old 10/28/09, 7:18 PM   #429
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There was a section on set bonuses in the OP as well. Slightly dated, since I've been focusing on the TTT article (sig) more, but still answers the question accurately.


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Old 10/29/09, 3:55 PM   #430
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Originally Posted by Arawethion View Post
There was a section on set bonuses in the OP as well. Slightly dated, since I've been focusing on the TTT article (sig) more, but still answers the question accurately.
LOL... I just read your sig for the first time, ***** advice. I also like that you start with 0.

Quick question, and I am not asking for too much hand holding, BUT. What would you guys suggest for a player that doesn't have access to iLVL 226 T8 pieces because my guild doesn't run 25 man-ulduar (we only do 10 man content)? Thus, the only source for iLVL 226 T8 2p bonus is with the two pieces available via Emblems of Conquest. This gives me three options:
1.) Use the two Emblem of Conquest pieces and get T9 2p from pieces other than the head and chest.
OR
2.) Use the T9 Head and Chest and have NO T8 2p :-(
OR
3.) Use T8 iLVL 219 gear + 2p T9 Head and Chest

I am currently running with option 1, but am becoming tired of it...

Edit:
***** = 5 star, not some lame censored curse word

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Old 10/29/09, 8:32 PM   #431
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I would use T9 Head and Chest and use T8 219 Shoulder + gloves (as there is not that many item points on these 2 pieces, so the difference isn't that big with the 226)

That's what I feel would do the job best.

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Old 10/30/09, 10:38 AM   #432
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Originally Posted by Pantsoffancy View Post
LOL... I just read your sig for the first time, ***** advice. I also like that you start with 0.

Quick question, and I am not asking for too much hand holding, BUT. What would you guys suggest for a player that doesn't have access to iLVL 226 T8 pieces because my guild doesn't run 25 man-ulduar (we only do 10 man content)? Thus, the only source for iLVL 226 T8 2p bonus is with the two pieces available via Emblems of Conquest. This gives me three options:
1.) Use the two Emblem of Conquest pieces and get T9 2p from pieces other than the head and chest.
OR
2.) Use the T9 Head and Chest and have NO T8 2p :-(
OR
3.) Use T8 iLVL 219 gear + 2p T9 Head and Chest

I am currently running with option 1, but am becoming tired of it...

Edit:
***** = 5 star, not some lame censored curse word
I'm in the same 10slot boat as you are. I've picked up two trophies from Anub HC 10man and I'm now saving up emblems for my second piece of 245 T9.

I ran the numbers with the following:

Head/Chest 245 T9 and Leg/Hand 219 T8
vs
Head/Chest 226 T8 (conquest badge) and Leg/Hand 245 T9

Taking the 219 Leg/Hand still comes out on top, and it has the added bonus of being available from VoA25, you can still get lucky and eventually pickup those two pieces of 226 ilvl.

(above assumes NrB Heroic shoulders as offset)

So don't be afraid of wearing 219 stuff, it's still better - and you've got a *chance* from VoA of upgrading to the 226 versions.

Personally, I got lucky and got the gloves from VoA - but am still stuck with 219 legs.

*Note if you're checking my armory - it currently shows a messed up setup of 232 T9 Helm and 219 T8 Shoulders whilst I save the last few emblems for my 245 Helm, trophy is waiting in my bags.

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Old 10/30/09, 11:27 AM   #433
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Originally Posted by Fonzey View Post
I'm in the same 10slot boat as you are. I've picked up two trophies from Anub HC 10man and I'm now saving up emblems for my second piece of 245 T9.

I ran the numbers with the following:

Head/Chest 245 T9 and Leg/Hand 219 T8
vs
Head/Chest 226 T8 (conquest badge) and Leg/Hand 245 T9

Taking the 219 Leg/Hand still comes out on top, and it has the added bonus of being available from VoA25, you can still get lucky and eventually pickup those two pieces of 226 ilvl.

(above assumes NrB Heroic shoulders as offset)

So don't be afraid of wearing 219 stuff, it's still better - and you've got a *chance* from VoA of upgrading to the 226 versions.

Personally, I got lucky and got the gloves from VoA - but am still stuck with 219 legs.

*Note if you're checking my armory - it currently shows a messed up setup of 232 T9 Helm and 219 T8 Shoulders whilst I save the last few emblems for my 245 Helm, trophy is waiting in my bags.
Thanks for the insight. What is the motivation for using the T8.219 legs over the shoulders as was previously mentioned? Also, is anybody else finding hit a little hard to come by in our situation?

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Old 10/31/09, 7:33 PM   #434
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choosing trinkets

I have a question regarding wich trinkets I should use, I hope it will not be seen against the rules or anyhing.
But I tried to vary the following trinkets with Rawr: [Mithril Pocketwatch], [Fetish of Volatile Power], [Abyssal Rune], [Mark of the war Prisoner. I could also use a pure sp resto trinket like [Solace of the Fallen] but Don't think that would increase my DPS.

I tried all those combinations on Rawr and it rated war + mithril pocketwatch as highest burst/sustained damage points. Does Rawr take the /use of [Fetish of Volatile Power] into account because it seems Rawr undervalues this item pretty much. Also wich 2 trinkets would you recommend me to use?

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Old 10/31/09, 7:55 PM   #435
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@ thrillz:

There are a few posts within moonkin EJ threads that detail the fact that Fetish of Volatile Power is not a viable option over something such as Mithril Pocketwatch or Abyssal Rune. In short, it is due to the need to stack the buff you gain over time instead of recieving an instant buff. The stack over time does not work very well when a player is soft haste capped(as you are) as the best time to use the trinket would be during lunar eclipse, but you would have to be very lucky with your predictions to use it without encroaching on the solar eclipse while using the full effect during lunar.

Mithril Pocketwatch and Mark of the War Prisoner are the best 2 trinkets for you at this time. You need mark to keep your hit rating up, this is the most valuable stat to gain until the hit cap. Because you are soft haste cappped (~400 -- varies with latency etc) crit is then valued slightly better than haste beyond that point.

For proper calculations you can search this very thread or one of the following websites:

Gray Matter
Random Moonkin Generator

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