Moonkin Beginner Guide (obsolete; use the TTT article now (in my sig)) - Page 7

Bela · 06/03/09, 1:15 PM

I've read through here and am not sure I found an answer to Solar eclipse vs. Lunar eclipse. Has there been anything definitive found? If not, how can I help generate numbers for theory crunching?

Eilt · 06/03/09, 1:20 PM

For the most part, it is too hard to keep your haste low enough to effectively use a Solar Rotation in raids. There are some fights where you move so much that a solar rotation is useful, however for the most part, most people stick with Lunar Rotations. This is rather anecdotal but it does seem to be what I read as the common consensus.

Selini · 06/05/09, 8:14 AM

I think, with the 4 parter fixed a lunar would work out to be more dps in the long run compared to a solar.

However when you have all the BiS gear for solar it might just creep over or be at an equal level still unsure there. The only horrible part about solar now is the low haste as poster above me said, proccing eclipse from SF can be painful unless you considered glyphing starfall for a lower cd for the NG every minute to proc it.

Balrogg · 06/08/09, 3:20 AM

Originally Posted by armtank

wow armory acting up...gear now shows balance spec...sorry. can you look at my gear to find a problem? I cant get dps to break 1.8. I would think my dps should be around 2.5 easy, right?

The World of Warcraft Armory

Am I the only person that thought the glyph of Innervate looked a little weird?
Also the 2 points in Naturalist??? I don't see how that would apply to Boomkin.

Sorry if this is too much of a Newb question.

I am mainly heals and can do 3-4k hps regularly and have hit 6 and 7k a few times. So I'm working on tweaking my Boomkin while others learn to heal(or take their turn in the barrel lol)

tks much for the info here, it's helped me get from 2k to 3k dps with Squawk and Awe, and hit 5120ish tonight

Dráconus · 06/08/09, 1:14 PM

Lately I have been using a solar eclipse, and I am fairly fond of the results its been getting. Some tricks with managing a solar eclipse are to time a starfire to go off right after the iCD or a four set proc. Overall have been having less difficulty proccing a solar eclipse quickly then I did a lunar. Varying on where heroism is and if there is any movement I may or may not totem twist. Luckily on fights where a lunar rotation is mandatory (thorim/hodir/vezax) the lack of haste on a solar set deals little harm. So far not been to hard to keep the haste numbers down (biggest issue is my spider trinket is wasted at times, don't even get me started about trinket issues.....I know) due to having equally good luck winning quality OH/rings (is simply retarded EVERY healer wants to use KT/Ignis rings besides the priests).

Biggest issues I have found with solar are:
A) idol twisting at times
B) seems to suffer more if bad fps or bad latency ever are an issue
C) finger hurts from nearly every spell being near a 1s GCD, I probably press more keys on a fight then any other dps. This also requires a faster reaction time to keep a good casting time. I do not recommend solar if tired or feeling sluggish at all.

• Hamlet · 06/09/09, 11:03 AM

A few minor updates.

kr0n1x · 06/09/09, 11:29 AM

In first post, about professions, you wrote that Tailoring is the best profession due to Back enchant (250sp on back, right?).
But reading on wowhead comments about that enchant, some are saying that +23haste is better than 250sp cause it's just a proc every 45 sec.

Is there any math proof about these comments and your post? (the comment are from 2.4 patch) Any update about that?
I'm just wanting to replace skinning with another better profession for my moonkin (at the moment I've enchanting and skinning)

Selini · 06/09/09, 11:48 AM

Well if I remember right the proc is 50% chance and also since it lasts 15 seconds it should be up from the first proc, every 30 seconds.

I'm not sure which comments you read since I haven't read them on there for a while but before when the proc was just direct holy damage to the enemy then yes 23 haste was better for PVE. However since the change this one is better afaik.

kr0n1x · 06/09/09, 12:02 PM

So can you tell me more info about this enchant? On wowhead there aren't much informations.
There is a change about the proc rate, now it scales with your crit rating (if I've understood correctly).

When can it procs now? On any direct damage spell (nature, arcane, holy, etc)?

Selini · 06/09/09, 12:35 PM

In 3.1 it was changed to be 250 sp on proc so chances are any posts on the actual item spell itself is referring to the old proc which was 1000-1200 holy damage yes that did scale with crit but not with your sp afaik. So basically what you read was referring to the old proc which DID scale with crit rating and now has no effect on the current proc. Feel free to ignore everything written on that page as it applies to pre 3.1.

Anyways the current proc is 250 SP on a 50% proc chance with 45s cooldown, so with a duration of 15 sec it will be up every 30 seconds after the first proc pretty much. From what I know from guildies/friends that have the enchant it can proc from just about any type of spell cast, Lightweave - Spell - World of Warcraft - spell page. Even the wording on the normal page shows spell cast: Embroiders a subtle pattern of light into your cloak, giving you a chance to increase your spell power by 250 for 15 sec when casting a spell.

kr0n1x · 06/09/09, 12:57 PM

So it can procs on wrath casts, starfire, moonfire (just the istant tick, not the dot part, right?), typhoon?
Are there some math tests or simulations about the difference between the two enchants?

fluids · 06/09/09, 1:08 PM

It doesn't sound like it has to be a damaging spell, so insect swarm, barkskin, nature's grasp, etc should proc it just like OoC.

Poromu · 06/09/09, 2:07 PM

It procs off crafting and other people's lifeblooms bloom as well. A resto and I were bored experimenting one night, lol.

Balrogg · 06/09/09, 8:24 PM

I have a question about WrathCalcs and actual DPS.
How close is your actual DPS to what WrathCalcs puts out? For more even comparison should that be single target raid boss with no unusual buffs, ie. huge crit bonus from a couple of bosses in Naxx. Also no huge amounts of running(fairly stationary)...

One poster here said they get 5-6k, I put there wow armory specs in WrathCalcs and got around 5k.

It seems like most of my dps is around 2900-3000ish, but WrathCalcs says it should be around 4300.

I have Squawk&Awe and have been trying to keep MF and IS up as close to 100% as I can. I've been refreshing them just before the Eclipse cooldown is up so they'll be there to help Wrath crit and then get the bonus from SF.
I have Glyphs of Starfire, Moonfire and Insect Swarm. It looks like I'll need to get some different enchants on a couple of pieces and more SP gems. Probably change my spec some as I never run out of mana
It seems like I have way more crit(20-24%) than several posters here(14-16%), but my haste is only around 360-420.
Without the crit it seems like it takes forever to proc an Eclipse.

I also have a spell cast spam question: Will it cause my spell casting to be slower if I just keep clicking?
TIA

• Hamlet · 06/09/09, 9:44 PM

You have an agility gem in your pants.