Feral DPS Discussion - Page 15

Smartie · 09/08/09, 4:43 AM

Originally Posted by Jheusse

7- Auriaya I waver between continually single target dps-ing her (mangling since I'm at her feet) and working in swipe spam for the swarm adds. On the similar situation on Kologarn I stay single target.

You can just dps from behind and jump infront when she does sonic cast.

Manateee · 09/08/09, 2:17 PM

So this is the "for dummies thread"...

im going to ask a dumb question (will seem dumb to those who already know the answer)

Through reading some of the posts in this thread i've gathered that mangle increases the damage of bleeds that are already on the target?

So for instance if you put up a 5 cp rip without mangle on the target, and then afterwards you add in mangle, it will buff the subsequent ticks of rip?

Note that my main is a warlock and with dot buffers for warlocks you have to add the buffer first, then apply the dot, as the dot doesnt get modified if its already on the target when the buffer lands.

I've rerolled druid and am really liking cat dps so far.

Pants · 09/08/09, 3:43 PM

Mangle will buff further ticks, savage roar will not. In reverse, mangle falling off with nerf further ticks, savage roar will not.

In warlock terms, mangle is CoE, savage roar is uh.. a spellpower proc.

lumenos · 09/08/09, 3:47 PM

I was wondering if anyone had done any of the math around the possible armor pen nerf coming in 3.2.2 and how it will directly affect cat gearing choices and dps. My druid is not at the gear level yet to worry about it, but very likely will be by 3.2.2.

Boevis · 09/08/09, 6:52 PM

It's still an amazing stat when you get a lot of it. The ArP Cap becomes 1400, so you need 735 + Mjolnir, or 788 + Grim Toll to soft-cap it, and probably shouldn't gem it at all unless it puts you over 500 + trinket. The point at which you drop the trinkets and go for strait ArP is around 1k ArP.

Mihir · 09/09/09, 7:44 AM

Originally Posted by Mowen

Im not sure if this is the best place to ask this question, we did heroic 25 man ToC last night and obviously getting those friggin' snowbolts off healers and casters is a larger priority than in normal mode.

The problem I have is finding behind the snowbolts. Sometimes it seems I am standing right behind my fellow raider and can hit it with mangle or rake but can't get in any shreds because 'I must be behind target.'

Anyone else getting similar kinds of problems? Is the hit area really particular? Is it even worth trying to shred or just mangle it up?

Any tips on dpsing those little shits would be very helpful.

The snobolds aren't automatically facing the same way as the person they're sitting on is; they're always facing the person that has top threat on them. So don't look at the person they're sitting on, look at the threat meter and you can usually find the proper side to DPS them from (unless you're top :P ).

allthingsjoe · 09/09/09, 3:47 PM

Originally Posted by Boevis

It's still an amazing stat when you get a lot of it. The ArP Cap becomes 1400, so you need 735 + Mjolnir, or 788 + Grim Toll to soft-cap it, and probably shouldn't gem it at all unless it puts you over 500 + trinket. The point at which you drop the trinkets and go for strait ArP is around 1k ArP.

would that be 500+ without the trinkets or would you need 500+ AND one of the trinkets to make it worth while? i only ask cause thats the postion i'm currently in. 531 armpen (socketed), but havent been successful in acquiring either trinket so far.

Murna · 09/10/09, 4:17 AM

@Manatee:

The mechanics are the same for warlock and for cats:

Buffs: You have to have your buffs up before you apply dots. The damage of a dot is calculated on application with all buffs up at that time.

Debuffs on the mob: They increase or enhance the dmg of every tick of the dot. They don't necessarily need to be up on application, but they should be up for every tick.

Savage Roar is a Buff and should always be up, especially before doing rake or rip. Mangle is a debuff and only needs to be up before each tick

Blazefire · 09/10/09, 2:07 PM

Originally Posted by Murna

Mangle is a debuff and only needs to be up before the first tick.

I thought Mangle had to be up for each tick? If mangle drops during a rip, all subsequent ticks are weaker.

Hoofhearted · 09/10/09, 3:25 PM

Originally Posted by Murna

Mangle is a debuff and only needs to be up before the first tick.

Incorrect. Each bleed tick from anyone, be it rogue warrior or druid, checks if mangle/trauma is up and does 30% more damage if it is.

idlersdream · 09/13/09, 10:26 AM

I have copied the single target spec off the first post, and have my left over point, I am wondering does putting the 1 point into Genesis affect Rip etc, if so surely 1% extra periodic damage added to that would far outway the uses suggested.

Murna · 09/13/09, 11:25 AM

Rake and Rip are not affected by Genesis

idlersdream · 09/13/09, 2:14 PM

Shame, you would think it would seeing as it says "Increases the damage and healing done by your periodic damage and healing effects by 1%"

Amateras · 09/13/09, 7:54 PM

So I've been using Rawr and loving it. One thing that I cannot seem to figure out, however, is that Rawr is consistently suggesting agi gems over arpen in all of my gear, and I can't figure out why. I'm not capped on arpen, so I don't know why this is. Perhaps I'm missing some obvious setting or something. =(

Any help would be appreciated!

ChiefKapui · 09/13/09, 11:36 PM

ok so ive been stacking agility on all gems that i can..if i take those off and put in armpen will that armpen compensate for the agility i lost? this is confusing me..and i don't want to take jewelcrafting for something that wont make much difference..