Feral DPS Discussion - Page 20

RagasLS · 10/13/09, 6:29 AM

Originally Posted by Heliousthegreat

I've been doing some testing since I hit 80.. and I've noticed.. Berserker enchant isn't procing.. in a 13 minute dummy fight, I had 0 procs'... Yet when I swap to my tanking set(Has mongoose).. Could keep mongoose almost permantly proc'd... Anybody else noticing this?

Are you using Ony weapon perhaps? Proc enchants (mongoose, berserking, etc.) are currently bugged on Shadowstrike and don't work. They do, however, work on Thunderstrike.

• Melthu · 10/13/09, 8:37 AM

Originally Posted by coldbear

I was all set to tell you how Feral Instinct is a higher opportunity cost than Feral Aggression, and that Astrylian is wrong for having the default Rawr Cat spec not optimizing FB's, but after reviewing the mostly-static fights of my last raid logs in the WWS thread it seems spending 5 pts to improve what's at-best 2-3% of my static-boss damage is silly compared to how much extra Swipe damage helps on many fights.

If anyone would care to call this analysis wrong, please do PM me as I'm almost done with the script for the How To Feral DPS PVE-Guide video, and would hate to be putting out bad information. I will now be recommending speccing FI unless the person's guild is specifically stuck on a bossfight/hardmode that does not involve Swipe-able adds.

They're both situational talents. If your swipe damage is important on whatever boss you're doing then FI is better, if you don't swipe then you can dump points in FA. There's no reason to recommend a single 'correct' way of choosing between situational talents.

foxglove · 10/13/09, 9:52 AM

Originally Posted by Melthu

They're both situational talents. If your swipe damage is important on whatever boss you're doing then FI is better, if you don't swipe then you can dump points in FA. There's no reason to recommend a single 'correct' way of choosing between situational talents.

Well, most people don't respec to move three talent points after every boss fight. (I suppose you might never tank and have two cat specs for that purpose.) For me at least, the fact that FI is a huge buff to AOE DPS and FA is a tiny buff to single-target DPS justifies leaving those 3 points in FI all the time.

Heliousthegreat · 10/13/09, 10:00 AM

Originally Posted by RagasLS

Are you using Ony weapon perhaps? Proc enchants (mongoose, berserking, etc.) are currently bugged on Shadowstrike and don't work. They do, however, work on Thunderstrike.

I am using the Ony weapon... Does that mean I should just leave berserker on it, until they have fixed it? I pass up the blades off of Anub last week, due to its only a side grade... Guess I shoulda kept it since I won the roll..

I do have something into blizzard about it not working, waiting for a Gm to reply to me as it stands.

RagasLS · 10/13/09, 10:09 AM

Originally Posted by Heliousthegreat

I pass up the blades off of Anub last week, due to its only a side grade... Guess I shoulda kept it since I won the roll...

Wait... blades? Just noticed that you are a warrior - are you talking about the Ony polearms (Reinforced/Reclaimed Shadowstrike)? I only know about the bug on these particular weapons.

If the question is not about druid weapons then it realy doesn't belong in this thread.

• Melthu · 10/13/09, 10:18 AM

Originally Posted by foxglove

Well, most people don't respec to move three talent points after every boss fight. (I suppose you might never tank and have two cat specs for that purpose.) For me at least, the fact that FI is a huge buff to AOE DPS and FA is a tiny buff to single-target DPS justifies leaving those 3 points in FI all the time.

Sure, I rarely change spec just to move 3 points unless it's a progression fight that absolutely requires it. I'm just saying that it would be silly to recommend one situational talent over another in an instructional video on feral dps. Mention the pros and cons to each one and let the viewer decide which fits better into his/her playstyle, with the knowledge that there may be specific cases that it would be worth respeccing to switch.

coldbear · 10/13/09, 2:38 PM

Originally Posted by Melthu

Mention the pros and cons to each one and let the viewer decide which fits better into his/her playstyle, with the knowledge that there may be specific cases that it would be worth respeccing to switch.

Done. Thank you for the feedback. Exchanges like this will dramatically increase the quality of the guide.

Heliousthegreat · 10/14/09, 11:14 PM

Originally Posted by RagasLS

Wait... blades? Just noticed that you are a warrior - are you talking about the Ony polearms (Reinforced/Reclaimed Shadowstrike)? I only know about the bug on these particular weapons.

If the question is not about druid weapons then it realy doesn't belong in this thread.

My druid is Hælious, I'm still working on gear for it.. and noticed that when I'm going through my rotation Berserker wasn't proc'ing.. after talking to a GM they said~ That its in the working, that a numerous amount of players have said that Berserker wasn't proccing on it.. and that they would be trying to have it fixxed by next patch or so.

• Caniki · 10/15/09, 9:17 AM

Originally Posted by Heliousthegreat

My druid is Hælious, I'm still working on gear for it.. and noticed that when I'm going through my rotation Berserker wasn't proc'ing.. after talking to a GM they said~ That its in the working, that a numerous amount of players have said that Berserker wasn't proccing on it.. and that they would be trying to have it fixxed by next patch or so.

I'm fairly certain that the Berserking enchant is working just fine. It procced a number of times for multiple people in my raid last night. World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis

barrettj · 10/15/09, 10:04 AM

Originally Posted by Caniki

I'm fairly certain that the Berserking enchant is working just fine. It procced a number of times for multiple people in my raid last night. World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis

This is only regarding Berserking on Shadowstrike, I don't see any Drain Life procs in your parse so it is likely that you're using a different weapon.

xaijin_sama · 10/15/09, 10:15 AM

Originally Posted by Caniki

I'm fairly certain that the Berserking enchant is working just fine. It procced a number of times for multiple people in my raid last night. World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis

The issue isnt berserking itself not proc'ing. It's berserking on two specific weapons, and those are thunderstrike/shadowstrike.

Al' · 10/19/09, 8:42 AM

Hi all,

I read somewhere in this forum that at a certain level, haste becomes better than crit.

What is the criteria that tell us to switch from crit to haste ?

I have my soft cap arpen, I am 51% crit unbuff in cat and I am wondering if I should move from 10 agi / 10 crit gem to 10 agi / 10 haste and choose weapon with haste instead of crit.

Many thanks

Al

Hammartime · 10/19/09, 7:03 PM

Originally Posted by Skratchh

Since 3.2 came out I have struggled to maintain 5k dps on average on a raid mob. I am using the same rotation as i always done. I have regemmed agility to see if that would help me out. It seems to have improved a bit on my dps. For example on normal mode Beasts i can pull 5500 no problem. On heroic I drop to around 4800. So I think maybe my problem is energy management. I seem to be starving for it. I do use the mod face mauler to help with the rotation.

This worries me as I am always been in top 5 in dps now I struggle to be in the top ten on most fights. I know we have taken a hit but I seem to be in a rut of some sorts. So maybe others are having similar issues or maybe it is just gear. So I bring this to the community here for help. Please don't need flames or hey I do 9k and you stink. I have always been a very good player and student of the game. So someone could give me some pointers I really appreciate it. I have read the threads as in how to dps etc... It is something beyond the obvious and was hoping someone had similar problem but corrected it. Thanks for the help.

I couldn't sum this up any better for myself. I'm in an extremely frustrating position, and currently looking for a new guild that has cleared ToGC 25. My DPS as of late has become pitiful to what it once was. I also realized that we have been hit with the nerf-stick, but this feels like something more. Unfortunately most of the logs I see of druids doing well comprise of massive aoe swipe fights, or near-BiS gear. Neither can help me very much. This is a report from a fairly recent ToGC10 run with a fairly melee-stacked group. I'm agility gemmed, with Blood of the Old God and DM:G for trinkets. I've spent countless hours going through logs, and my only weak point seems to be bleed uptime. That said, it seems impossible as a manglebot to keep a decent uptime on everything.

World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis

My only question from reading recent posts on here: Is berserking near the beginning of the fight nearly mandatory? If so, is it that way in order to get all of our debuffs up in a timely fashion?

It seems for me that it's an uphill struggle from the start without berserk. You put up a quick SR, and you've barely started generating points for rip when mangle and rake are both falling. So you squeeze off 5 for the rip, and you're dead at like zero energy with SR already falling off. How can you expect to fit in 3 shreds for that rip when you have to keep applying mangle / rake?

Sorry, I don't want to sound whiny, it's just very frustrating.. as I said earlier.

Bogeywoman · 10/19/09, 8:56 PM

Kiki, you have incredibly low uptimes on almost all your abilities. As in, unbelievably low. You need a dot timer to show you when things are falling off, and you need to refresh them when they do. Keeping mangle, rip, rake up is very easy given your gear level and crit rate.

Hammartime · 10/19/09, 9:11 PM

Yes I've concluded that from looking at my logs too. My problem is that even when I focus almost entirely on keeping a good uptime on them, it seems that it's impossible to do if I'm expected to get 3 shreds in for every rip. I really don't know why this has become a problem so suddenly.