Feral DPS Discussion - Page 25

kbranch · 10/27/09, 6:02 PM

Originally Posted by Pelf

If we go with the notion that it was because the previously running Rake was applied with a proc of some kind increasing its power, then previously, as I remember it, that would have blocked the entire cast. Instead, it cast, dealt initial damage, did not refresh the bleed, and (ostensibly, from my memory) generated combo points. Then, the un-refreshed Rake faded.

Rake is different from rip because it does initial direct damage in addition to applying a bleed. The game lets your rake go through without an error because it'll always do the direct damage. Your rake button is tied to the direct damage, not the bleed, if that makes sense. The bug is that the game is silently checking the power of the existing rake bleed after the direct damage lands when it should be overwriting it like it always has.

Pelf · 10/27/09, 6:04 PM

Originally Posted by kbranch

Rake is different from rip because it does initial direct damage in addition to applying a bleed. The game lets your rake go through without an error because it'll always do the direct damage. Your rake button is tied to the direct damage, not the bleed, if that makes sense. The bug is that the game is silently checking the power of the existing rake bleed after the direct damage lands when it should be overwriting it like it always has.

Right, right. I didn't mean block the entire cast. Looking through logs is making my eyes swim. That seems to be the form of the bug, indeed.

Nosleh · 10/28/09, 7:06 AM

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cana · 10/28/09, 7:24 AM

Originally Posted by Nosleh

I've tried reinstalling it, however it seems that changes made to it still persist.

The Interface\Addons directory only contains the static Addon files, nothing you change ingame gets saved there.
Go to the WTF\Account\<youraccountnamehere>\SavedVariables directory and delete the FeralByNight.lua and FeralByNight.lua.bak to revert all the settings you changed in FbN to default values.

Thundrul · 10/28/09, 1:29 PM

@ coldbear

5. Keep Rake up

The rake bug is real, unfortunate maybe but real. (Easily seen on a target dummy by watching rake bleed and procs while only casting rake's).

Thus 'keep rake up' seems misleading and it seems that 'Never Clip a rake, while maximizing uptime' seems more like what should be done. Am i wrong?

kalbear · 10/29/09, 11:24 AM

If you can get death's choice, you should get it. You should always favor getting rare trinkets over tier gear. Always.

Ashurbanipal · 10/29/09, 3:17 PM

Think of it like this. Judging by how the trinkets have been distributed in Wrath so far there is a very good chance that Death's Choice will be competitive with the best that drops in ICC. The tier pieces in comparison will be made obsolete by even 10man gear.

Plus, if you need trophies go run ToGC 10 instead of worrying about DKP

Edit:Grammar

Allev · 10/30/09, 12:20 AM

To necro a topic from last page, back to clearcasting on shred.

The default SimulationCraft profile for my character loads up 8285 DPS. Removing the "actions+=/shred,omen_of_clarity=1" line results in 8282 DPS-- the difference is essentially nothing.

qu- · 10/30/09, 1:54 PM

You can replicate the rake bug with ease. Just rake a dummy, take your weapon off, and rake again. The bleed will not be applied.

Just don't clip and you will not have this problem.

Coren · 10/30/09, 2:47 PM

Hello, first off, let me say thanks for this forum. I have found it very helpful.

I have a few questions, as some of the stuff you guys talk about here is above my understanding.

1. I used Rawr to check my gear upgrades, and no matter what I do, rawr will not push me toward stacking armor penetration. I know my gear lacks arpen, but even when I swap some gear to increase it, rawr points me back to stacking agi instead. Am I doing something wrong? Whenever I swap my gems out for arpen it shows me that I will have a drop in dps, and I dont want to risk spending all that money on epic gems just to find out if rawr is wrong.

2. I also use Feral by Night, I see that small changes in rotation options make a huge impact on my dps, I am having trouble understanding where to set the options exactly to maximize my dps. I realize that there is no ONE perfect set of options, but I was hoping to get some pointers.

edited to remove some "help me elements" + my armory link after rereading the forum rules :P sorry about that.

Mielikinna · 10/30/09, 2:55 PM

Originally Posted by Coren

Hello, first off, let me say thanks for this forum. I have found it very helpful.

I have druid on frostmane, and I am trying to tweak my dps to give the maximum possible output, as I joined a guild for totc10 HC mode.

Here is my armory link so you can get an idea of where I am : Amory

I have a few questions, as some of the stuff you guys talk about here is above my understanding.

1. I used Rawr to check my gear upgrades, and no matter what I do, rawr will not push me toward stacking armor penetration. I know my gear lacks arpen, but even when I swap some gear to increase it, rawr points me back to stacking agi instead. Am I doing something wrong? Whenever I swap my gems out for arpen it shows me that I will have a drop in dps, and I dont want to risk spending all that money on epic gems just to find out if rawr is wrong.

2. I also use Feral by Night, I see that small changes in rotation options make a huge impact on my dps, I am having trouble understanding where to set the options exactly to maximize my dps. I realize that there is no ONE perfect set of options, but I was hoping to get some pointers.

My dps isnt terrible, just not as good as I think it could be. Just as a benchmark, I can sustain around 4.3-4.5k dps on the Heroic Target Dummy, with only motw as a buffed.

In raids while fully buffed I can usually get around 5.7k-6k dps on normal nuke bosses.

As for my gear, I know it still needs work. I am maintaining the 2xt8.5 + 2xt9 set for the bonus... rawr tells me that its better than swaping for other 245 level items. I am pretty unlucky when it come to drops, I know my trinkets suck, I just finished farming for +90 agi "greatness" trinket, just waiting for darkmoon faire to trade it in.

If anyone thinks they might have any suggestions or pointers that could help me, please let me know, and thank you in advance.

1. You are below 400 ArP, so its not valuable to stack yet.
2. I don't see Grim Toll or Mjolnir, so its really not valuable to stack yet.
3. Make sure you have custom gemmings set up in rawr, the default feral model doesn't have ArP gemmings.

Coren · 10/30/09, 3:02 PM

Originally Posted by Mielikinna

1. You are below 400 ArP, so its not valuable to stack yet.
2. I don't see Grim Toll or Mjolnir, so its really not valuable to stack yet.
3. Make sure you have custom gemmings set up in rawr, the default feral model doesn't have ArP gemmings.

Thanks for your reply. Yes, I know my gear is under 400 ArP, but even when I change some gear to make it look like I have more ArP, (I stacked it to 600) it tells me to swap it for Agi gear and Agi gems. And yes, I have enabled custom gemmings. For example it tells me that grim toll is lower on the trinket list than lets say banner of victory. I changed my gear in rawr to stack armor pen to the soft cap ~600+ grim toll, and it shows lower dps than my current spec.

Ja7us · 10/30/09, 5:50 PM

Make sure you have raid buffs enabled in Rawr. The defaults have them disabled, and they'll impact stat weightings a lot.

Cluey · 10/31/09, 12:21 AM

Originally Posted by Coren

Thanks for your reply. Yes, I know my gear is under 400 ArP, but even when I change some gear to make it look like I have more ArP, (I stacked it to 600) it tells me to swap it for Agi gear and Agi gems. And yes, I have enabled custom gemmings. For example it tells me that grim toll is lower on the trinket list than lets say banner of victory. I changed my gear in rawr to stack armor pen to the soft cap ~600+ grim toll, and it shows lower dps than my current spec.

Coren the difference between full agility and full ArP is not very big. If I change all of my gems to ArP except a Nightmare Tear in my hat Rawr estimates me going from 9012 to 9027 dps, hardly worth worrying about and a lot less of an increase than what you would get from changing professions.

So before you ask for more help on how to get that last little bit of DPS out of your character at least show that you really do care about optimising your character as much as possible and get some decent professions.

Mielikinna · 10/31/09, 12:59 AM

Originally Posted by Cluey

Coren the difference between full agility and full ArP is not very big. If I change all of my gems to ArP except a Nightmare Tear in my hat Rawr estimates me going from 9012 to 9027 dps, hardly worth worrying about and a lot less of an increase than what you would get from changing professions.

So before you ask for more help on how to get that last little bit of DPS out of your character at least show that you really do care about optimising your character as much as possible and get some decent professions.

Rawr does not model armor pen accurately, I had a similar recommendation in rawr, but upon making the switch in game, I gained over 200 dps. Rawr is not 100% accurate and should be taken with a grain of salt.