This sounds like a late night TV infomercial, I gained xxx yada with this secret formula!
So you quantified your gain through countless hours of testing in controlled environments and logged it all and just didn't have the time to type it up and present it yet?

Yeah Rawr is not perfect but neither are the other tools, but they all indicate that the difference between the two stats is not something you will notice without SO many hours of controlled testing that it's really irrelevant.

My DPS fluctuates a lot even on the same fight, if I take the time to look at why it normally comes down to getting procs or OoC casts at the right time or in a disproportionate amount.
Take this normal NRB kill as an example, I was the half tank for this kill meaning I tanked the stationary worm yet I still topped the meter. This also happened to be our first heroic NRB kill night and I remember thinking, "I wish I had an OoC run like this on heroic."
So lets split out the crazy OoC run, this link is just the Gormock part of the fight. I'm 175k clear of second place and it isn't because I'm amazing or everyone else sucks. If you take the time to look it up you will see that I had 19 OoC procs in 105 seconds of combat, that isn't normal.

I'm not sure when you switched to ArP, Mielikinna, but going through WoL reports (did you know how easy it is to browse guilds/players?), you did the best damage to Jaraxxus-normal on the earliest log you have of the fight (i.e, over a month ago, 9/30) and have gotten progressively worse since. In addition, your ups and downs correlate very well with your Rip uptime, which in any case is sub-par. If you switched gems before that, then the proof you had for yourself was before the 3.2.2 ArP nerf.

If your testing was "for personal use", please don't reference it as your evidence and expect any credibility from it.

Of course, ArP has a higher relative weight on any fight where swipe is a benefit. And depending on your gear setup, it can be the best stat for your gear (but at most by .2 DPS per stat point).

On many of the Jaraxxus fights I looked at, the fights lasted 3:30 or so, but you only Berserk once. In other words, by trying to time your Berserk on that fight, you've been routinely throwing another Berserk away at the end of the fight.

Finally: no theorycraft that I'm aware of says that the difference in 242 stat points is more than about 25 DPS. Some theorycraft does say that you'll see variability week-to-week and parse-to-parse much greater than 200 DPS, and ArP tends to stay closer to the mean.

Thank you Allev, I knew these things already. I have a need for improvement in my alt spec quite a bit.

Agi makes the rotation easier by increasing combo point generation. I simply have been low uptimes on rake and rip, as you pointed out. There are no excuses to be made, only a need to do better.

This is what I'm refuting. For this claim to be correct, every piece of theorycraft would have to be inaccurate on only ArP by a full order of magnitude. All of those things that you "know" back up my point.

Your in-game single-target DPS hasn't improved by 200 points, unless you did it when ArP was worth more than it is now. And even then you wouldn't have been that much.

With the recent upgrades I've won I can easily reach the point where I can surpass the softcap with the runestone trinket.

From reading your post I assume I'm meant to now gem for agility keeping my arp rating as close to 735 as I can.

My question is at what rating does stacking arp without any trinket surpass that of the softcap + trinket? In your post you have said only to gem for agility once you have reached the hard cap, but then say the following:

"It depends." On which theorycraft you trust, your current gear level, and so on. That said, I haven't seen one gear setup or the other take a clear advantage (more than 100 DPS) in any situation. The only situation I'd consider it is when obtaining a double-[Death's Verdict], and to do so requires depriving a guildmate of one.

Still, can u recommend using High passive over softcap + trinket?

I never raid naxx25 or ulduar anymore these days, would be alot easiër not to get a ArPen trinket.

any other cats that have experience with this? What rating should you have before gemming to aim for a high passive rating? (not softcap + trinket)

thanks

Thanks for you reply. So it'll prolly be worth it once i get 900-1000 rating with Gems and buffs.

Do you recommend farming naxx or ulduar to get that ArPen trinket?

Really depends if you want/need hit. Generally speaking, the Runestone is better so I'd recommend farming Ulduar for it.

Right now, having one of those trinkets is half of the best combo in the game-- but not a massive upgrade, and if you can't stay under/close to the hit cap, [Grim Toll] can be a downgrade.

Without ICC gear being released, it's still a near-guarantee that 1) Agility will see a major bump in value relative to ArP with 4t10 (until white crit cap), and 2) there will be a new trinket in ICC that'll be better than each of the ArP trinkets by itself. In terms of that perspective, both hard-capping ArP and soft-capping ArP will go out of style as soon as the next instance is released, and you'll be soft-capping Agi instead (and possibly gemming hit/expertise/Strength after white soft crit cap!)

So, while they're upgrades, it's up to you to decide whether it's worth trying to obtain now in order to have it replaced somewhere in the next tier.

Grats on topping damage meters but this is in no way related to what he's saying. Grim toll is a downgrade if you are at the hitcap without it.