For this set it does not matter at all because every extra point of arp ist wasted due to hard cap

For me, Herkuml War Token is BiS in Rawr, at least for a non-JW/BS feral.

This is my BiS:

Head [Sanctified Lasherweave Headguard]
Neck [Sindragosa's Cruel Claw]
Shoulders [Sanctified Lasherweave Shoulderpads]
Chest [Sanctified Lasherweave Raiment]
Waist [Astrylian's Sutured Cinch]
Legs [Sanctified Lasherweave Legguards]
Feet [Treads of the Icewalker]
Wrist [Toskk's Maximized Wristguards]
Hands [Aldriana's Gloves of Secrecy]
Finger1 [Frostbrood Sapphire Ring]
Finger2 [Ashen Band of Endless Vengeance]
Trinket1 [Deathbringer's Will]
Trinket2 [Herkuml War Token]
Back [Shadowvault Slayer's Cloak]
MainHand [Distant Land]
Ranged [Idol of Mutilation] (the other idol isn't modeled yet)

1x10stats gem, 3x20hit gems, every other slot with 20 ArP gems.

Below Is what I have made for my BiS list. I did consider using [Ikfirus's Sack of Wonder] with [Distant Land], but I saw better numbers with the items below as the chest puts me 80 exp over the cap.

Head [Sanctified Lasherweave Headguard]
Neck [Sindragosa's Cruel Claw]
Shoulders [Sanctified Lasherweave Shoulderpads]
Chest [Sanctified Lasherweave Raiment]
Waist [Astrylian's Sutured Cinch]
Legs [Sanctified Lasherweave Legguards]
Feet [Frostbitten Fur Boots]
Wrist [Toskk's Maximized Wristguards]
Hands [Aldriana's Gloves of Secrecy]
Finger1 [Frostbrood Sapphire Ring]
Finger2 [Ashen Band of Endless Vengeance]
Trinket1 [Death's Choice]
Trinket2 [Herkuml War Token]
Back [Sylvanas' Cunning]
MainHand [Cryptmaker]
Ranged [Idol of Mutilation]

gems: 13x20ArP, 2x20hit, 3x34ArP, 1x10stats

I to have looked for a current bis list. I used RAWR and had:
- the items as displayed at the armory (most weapons have an extra socket on the armory compared to wowhead)
- Sylvanas' Cunning disabled (I'm pretty sure we're not getting there with my guild)
- inscription and leatherworking as professions
- 40 hit food

The list I found is as follows:

Head [Sanctified Lasherweave Headguard]
Neck [Sindragosa's Cruel Claw]
Shoulders [Sanctified Lasherweave Shoulderpads]
Chest [Sanctified Lasherweave Raiment]
Waist [Astrylian's Sutured Cinch]
Legs [Sanctified Lasherweave Legguards]
Feet [Frostbitten Fur Boots]
Wrist [Toskk's Maximized Wristguards]
Hands [Aldriana's Gloves of Secrecy]
Finger1 [Band of the Bone Colossus]
Finger2 [Ashen Band of Endless Vengeance]
Trinket1 [Death's Choice]
Trinket2 [Herkuml War Token]
Back [Shadowvault Slayer's Cloak]
MainHand [Distant Land] (I had Cryptmaker as option enabled)
Ranged [Idol of Mutilation]

gems: 17x20ArP, 2x20hit, 2x10hit/10exp

Now I find this list a bit strange. It didn't suggest the 10stats gem at all while I enabled it but what struck me as most odd is the fact that Executioner on the weapon was best. End stats were given as:
253 hit (10 below cap)
126 exp (6 below cap)
565 haste
1130 armor pen
near 75% crit (74.799%)

I understand that jc gives a lot more options to gear up but could the Executioner enchant really be usefull? An old lvl 60 enchant in an instance to kill the Lich King?

Edit: had 2x20hit twice in gem list
forgot I had 40hit food enabled, there might be better food

Edit2: did some more testing with the food, arp food was best, gear and gemming stayed the same new stats were 50hit below cap and a static amount of arp of 1170

I got an optimal dps of 13737 with my setup and given options. However like you said there are still quite some issues with rawr at the moment but the main point about my post was that I was really surprised to see the Executioner enchant as best.

My gearset was similar to NaturesVoice, with only the cape differing (Vereesa's Dexterity is showing as better than Shadowvault Slayer's Cloak for me). Full raidbuffs, no profession specific buffs/items.

Head enchant is Ferocity, and cape is Greater Speed - ap and crit are worth so little, hit so much. Nightmare tear in the neck's blue socket (tho' we don't know the socket bonus yet), every other socket Fractured Ruby (19 of them). Because it's almost at the hard ArP cap, Executioner wins out on the weapon. ArP Food. Precision on gloves, Icewalker on shoes. No speed pots used. Heroic presence is selected, but Hero isn't (I'm a little confused as to whether this mimics hero on it's actual uptime, or 100% across the fight - I'm bad like that).

This gives 13,636.04 DPS points in Rawr 2.3.3. Under options, I have it set to a 300 second fight, 10,643 armour, and the lag variance is 350ms (I don't remember what this is by default). Talents are set to 0/55/16 with 5/5 FA.

This is, apparently, sitting at 1267 ArP, 169 hit + 106 expertise (2.613294% attacks avoided).

Relative stat values, for those interested, are showing as:
Arp: 3.18
Exp: 2.74
Hit: 2.74
Str: 2.03
Has: 2.03
Agi: 1.94
Cri: 1.39
AP: 0.86
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Edit: Once we move over 70% crit, how many grains of salt should we be taking what Rawr is telling us? Later today I'll hopefully get a chance to sit down with simcraft and try out some different gear setups in that.

Slot Item
Head [Sanctified Lasherweave Headguard]
Neck [Sindragosa's Cruel Claw]
Shoulders [Sanctified Lasherweave Shoulderpads]
Back [Vereesa's Dexterity]
Chest [Sanctified Lasherweave Raiment]
Wrist [Toskk's Maximized Wristguards]
Hands [Aldriana's Gloves of Secrecy]
Waist [Astrylian's Sutured Cinch]
Legs [Sanctified Lasherweave Legguards]
Feet [Frostbitten Fur Boots]
Ring 1 [Ashen Band of Endless Vengeance]
Ring 2 [Frostbrood Sapphire Ring]
Trinket 1 [Death's Verdict]
Trinket 2 [Herkuml War Token]
Weapon [Cryptmaker]




I got 14150,21 optimal dps

full buffed including 1% hit from dreanei, flask of endless rage and 40 arp food
professions are jewelcrafting & inscroption


Entchants were speed on back, stats on chest, ap on wrist, agi on hands, icewalker on feets

Gems were

20 hit
20 haste
34 hit
2 x 34 Arp
20 exp
10hit/10exp
1 nightmaretear
13 x 20 arp

leading to

2753 agi
71,50 crit
232 hit (2 over cap)
136 exp (4 over cap)
1398 Arp including food (2 below cap)

And I used the old idol but this should deepend from fight to fight

I did not try to get all socketbonus which should be possible and add a little bit of extra dps

After looking at the many BiS list people have created. I believe that Tkain's latest post seems to be the best option thus far. I know there has been debate over [Deathbringer's Will] and I don't think its the trinket for us.


Lately I have been looking over some logs of fellow feral druids which have [Deathbringer's Will] on the Surfang encounter. The fights lasting ~4:15min the trinket would proc ~3x. In each case I found that that the 600Arp (Precision of the Iron Dwarves) procD at least once in each case and as many as 3x in the fight. Right now that might not be a bad thing depending on your ArP levels, but come BiS that proc will be useless.

What you've seen in an extremely limited subset of logs proves nothing (the number of druids who won the trinket last week, wore it this week, and logged their kill in a public fashion is an extremely limited number). Many theorycrafting numbers are showing that the Deathbringer's Will is an extremely powerful option even if you assume 1/3rd of the procs will be entirely wasted. So touting these logs as some kind of evidence against it is going to be difficult. To prove it's uselessness vs current theorycrafting based on its Armor Pen proc you would have to show that the Armor Pen proc has a greater than 1/3 chance to be applied, and for that logs against target dummies will be as useful as any boss fight log.

What is more likely to devalue the Deathbringer's Will enough to allow for other trinkets is likely going to be the Agility soft cap. That would show situations where 2/3 of the procs are giving reduced or no value. Since Rawr doesn't handle soft caps very well proper theorycrafting will have to wait until Sims are run or significant testing can be done in game. Since the latter is not likely why don't we work with the former rather than making up a bunch of wish lists that are for all intents and purposes useless until we understand the critical soft cap far better than we currently do.

Well, I don't know if Rawr works bad or not with the crit cap, but Deathbringer's Will is still BiS in my list with only 1 proc of 700 STR every 315 seconds. 100 dps better than Death's Verdict.

14283 DPS with that single 700 STR proc. 14424 with the STR and AGI procs. Only the passive ArP is worth 500+ DPS near the cap, so is almost better than Death's Verdict even if it never procs.

But we'll need to see what SimulationCraft says when the model is up to date.

The abomination in a jar is impossible to model appropriately till we know if it has an ICD, and whether it's a proc chance on strike or a PPM mechanic. Likely however the proc chance is going to be too low to make it viable for anyone. Looking at my average melee attack (1100 non crit, 2800 crit for last nights parse, with a 70% crit rate) means this will proc for about 1125 damage when it does in my mostly T9 equivalent gear. Of course it will scale pretty well with attack power and whatnot, and will scale with crit better than our melee attacks do in later T10 gear.

Assuming we attack around .6 attack speed and use an attack 2/3 of the time on GCD that seems to be around 7 attacks per 3 seconds (simplified for the moment to get a round number). If it has a 25% then it would take 32 attacks on average to fire, or in this scenario around 15 seconds. If it fired every 15 seconds it would be worth 75 DPS.