Has there been anyone that has correctly modeled the DPS of Tiny Abom in a Jar for feral druids?

The current rawr build only calculates the hit rating for the dps.

I tried changing the proc to build stacks and then fire a static 2k physical damage, but even that will not model.

Yep. Only use it on shred if it doesn't fuck up your normal priority list.

See Visualising the optimal cat rotation ingame

Actually, I have run a couple of simulations with my current cat configuration (1.3k arpen, ilvl 251 4T10, cryptmaker as weapon, almost all the rest ilvl264 non HM bis). The DPS change from the "classic" cycle to the mangle-spam is a lot less than what I expected.

What I did was simply to replace the shred glyph with the mangle glyph and then use the standard simulationcraft rotation (which while not being the absolute best, it's very close nevertheless), replacing shred with mangle and removing the rip-extension-shred action line.

"classic": 11698 dps
mangle-spam: 11031 dps.

It's a 5.7% loss, sure, but the advantage you gain is that the positioning requirements are relaxed. Also, if you're not taking advantage of the rip extension, the difference will be even lower (for example a Valithiria-like many-adds fight). It may not be worth switching over all the time, but respec in some special cases may turn out useful.

Has anyone modeled the effect of using 2xT6 on the above post, could the reduced mangle cost and possibility for more FB's outweigh the stats lose of two items?

Obviously standing behind a mob is best, but there are a lot of situations where you can pick up DPS by not having to care:
Thaddius when you were the same polarity of the tank
Yogg P3, if your guild stands by the door.
Portals on Jaraxxus hard, where finding the back of the portal is a major issue
Rotface, who constantly spins to cast
Iceblocks on Sindragosa if the person inside isn't facing in the direction of the things you need to LoS

Helistar isn't making a stupid statement here: an attack that _cannot_ be used from the front arc will be an unpreventable DPS loss on some fights in every instance of Wrath so far.

I am surprised at how minimal the DPS loss is by dropping shred from the rotation, but that being said...keeping shred completely out of your rotation only makes sense on Kologarn. In every other fight, there is at least a few potential moments in which you will be behind a boss or mob. Taking that into account, you can mangle when you are not in position to shred and try to reposition yourself for shreds whenever possible, but it makes no sense at all to restrict your rotation to mangles exclusively. Except on Kologarn.

I disagree here. I think shred is better for Rotface than mangle, BECAUSE he turns around a lot, it protects you from possibly losing DPS by getting parried. Delaying a shred for half a second isn't as big a loss as getting a parry and losing a GCD and energy.

The boss cannot parry while casting Slime Spray - Spell - World of Warcraft. And there is no problem with running behind him while casting and keep dpsing.

I might be wrong, but I seem to recall bosses (and mobs in general) can parry while casting. That's hardly the point, as being in front of him while he's doing slime spray is not such a good idea anyway, I was talking about him turning to cast mutated infection.

In any rate, when he turns, you can reapply mangle debuff. Or energy pool while he's turned, so when he turns back around, you can start shred spamming again. Atleast this is what I do.


On another note. I was looking back at the BiS spreadsheet for Pizzola and I had noticed that she/he was gemming haste, I had thought haste was mearly a moot point, and shouldn't be gemmed for as a kitty(?). I checked, and had regemmed my gear on Rawr spreadsheet with some haste gems maintaining over 1200ArP and it was a DPS loss. Is anyone else able to shead some light upon this?

Ok, maybe I'm the only one who about bites through my tongue when Rotface spins around to cast Plague and I end up over-capping my energy. Still, I think you understand that an equal DPS rotation that isn't affected by positioning would be slightly higher DPS in practical situations because it was more flexible.

Haste stacks well with haste -- be sure you've turned on all raid buffs in Rawr to evaluate haste gemmings. Also, they may be using mongoose, which has a special non-linear relationship with other sources of haste.